Re: Never kept
Both use cases are valid, (I tend to go for the latter). But dismissing either use case is not.
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While I certainly won't argue with your first line, Pixels are pretty easy to install CalyxOS, GrapheneOS, and IODEOS on and I would expect E/OS to be no worse. And apparently it doesn't void warranty (at least usually). Other phones aren't so easy though.
I have just moved my main PC to Linux Mint Debian Edition, (With the old no longer updating Windows 11 install migrated to a VM in virtual box (far easier than I expected).
It's a Xeon HP Z210, and it ran 11 really nicely until they decided to enforce their ridiculous hardware requirements to update, however by that point it had served its purpose (familiarised myself with 11, then they dropped android compatibility, enforced the hardware demands and added replay).
LMDE is quite pleasant and much snappier. Bit sad El Reg looks so poor on elinks, though.
It seems odd that the authorities don't use the holes that have been left in the design for access.
Telegram uses SMS for activation and logging in to an account. (With the possibility of email as 2FA).
If authorities know the phone number (and if needed the email this would potentially be harder) they could intercept the code, and log in to Telegram and capture all the cloud data.
Also Telegram now requires an official app to register, making it harder to use securely (you used to be able to sign up on a desktop, now you must use a mobile OS).
My thought too.
Also what about iPod touch style Android MP3 players?
And Phablets?
And Tablets with data?
Or even android devices with number pads?
Will they ban it by size connectivity, operating system?
Or will it be a vague decision, and then work out what they meant after it had been set in stone? Never a good idea and the most obvious example of such has already be referenced in a previous comment.
You say
"I would not know how to download and set up a different operating system"
but follow up with
"A few years ago I went to Windows 10 via Windows 8.1"
Which means you have done so already.
Using a different family of OS is not any more challenging (if you choose a friendly one - Linux Mint is probably a safe choice)
I generally try to practice Browser partioning:
e.g.
1. Chrome for Google Properties (and logins)
2. Edge for MS properties
3. Safari for Apple properties (on Apple devices)
4. Firefox for everything else
Perhaps adding Chromium for Amazon Properties, and (if I used any) Brave for Meat properties.
The thing that made Signal a non-starter for me, is the requirement for a smartphone with the app installed. And I also don't like the inability to hide your number and work with a name.
So I use(d) Telegram, but they changed it so it now requires a smartphone for initial logon. Which basically means most of my Telegram only contacts are slowly being disenfranchised. Which means finding a new platform. I like Session, but the performance isn't wonderful, and it's not the simplest for users. I wonder if they will be looking at this project? (Worryingly, Teams is looking like the most viable replacement)
Perhaps Signal could make a restricted version that allowed SMS length messages and voice only, (no video or attachements). So no serious possibility of the content that is supposedly the target.
And if they did that, perhaps they could roll out a preview, so people see what they are going to get.
You missed out that Johnson wanted to leave the Single Market which messes up the "Nordic Stuff" idea. Staying in the Single market would have solved all sorts of other problems too. And had that been the plan and inititiated back in 2016, I double anyone would have been speaking about it past 2017.
How would it stop those? The UK always set the rules for non FOM entry.
Non EU immigration was always a significant enough proportion of the whole, that cutting it would have made a massive reduction, so the immigration was obviously required by the economy.
Now of course you have replaced migration (people who go back and forth to fill a need) with immigration, where there is a big investment and so returning is unlikely, so the result (as long as the economy doesn't collapse too badly) is more immigration.
There is a vacuum to be filled, but by those with a vested interest in settling, rather than just visiting seasonally.
If UK only passport holder is not eligible for an Irish passport and doesn't have a spouse* who is an EU citizen, the only EU country they can move freely to is the Republic of Ireland. Otherwise a visa is required, (some countries will be relatively easy, but a job offer is typically required.)
The actual act of moving will be somewhat more expensive. (I paid about 1500 GBP in 2020 for a sprinter van load, can't imagine it being that cheap, even to France, now.
*FOM covers a spouse of an EU citizen, except of course in their home country, where the citizen are not using it and regular rules apply.
Two points:
1. Without Freedom of Movement it is far harder.
(So your comment seems like trolling).
2. Seems pretty great here, and I'm working in one of the poorer EU countries.
(I moved here prior to the deadline, but but got the job more recently.)
You mean they took advantage of Johnson wanting something quick and not bothering to read it and then making ridiculous claims about the consequences while campaigning a general election on the basis of signing it?
Can't be ditched unilaterally without massive consequences, and sadly the UK is in a position of abject weakness.
"You offer no answer to the substantive points:"
Always accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of eh?
But actually I did, but you ignored them.
And you even answered them yourself, failing to understand what you posted wasn't a rebuttal.
1) Yet you still fail to address that the question asked was undefined as to which of the 3 distinct logical destination relationships, and claim imposing the choice of the least popular and remain is democracy.
2) It was certainly a protest vote that went drastically wrong.
"I'll leave you to your foaming." from the supposed fellow remainer who preferred a hard brexit to a soft brexit. Well you got you wish.
(And no claiming Corbyn's plan was a soft brexit, It would still have taken us out of the single market.)
"I don't see why you'd pick EEA when you can keep EU."
I wouldn't. Which is why I voted for the party with remain in its manifesto.
But I wouldn't call using a 52% vote on a question to leave the EU, to do so but not leave the EEA either undemocratic or racist. (Or totally stupid).
No, the racist desire was to to take away the rights of Europeans to live in the UK as equals.
(And no, I don't want to hear typical Cobynista claims that it isn't racist because they are white.)
So are you pretending to be a fuckwit because you have realised you are starting from a point of total ignorance of the actual situation and have no arguments of actual substance?
"You are trying to make it democratic to not let people vote on issues with long term consequences, except in a way where a yes/no answer is impossible - yeah, seems fair."
That is what proper democracies do. Supermajorities are required, not a 2% win. A majority of the actual electorate, not just those who voted.
"You've decided "Racists" quite without even making a case, and you wish to impose a diminution to peoples rights(EEA), as you think the plebs too foolish to reject any diminution of their rights(Full Membership)."
You quite obviously are clueless about what the EEA is. Remaining in the EEA retains people's rights.
Specifically those denied a vote, who massively outnumber the number the referendum was won by.
It's like arguing with someone who thinks Bill Gates puts 5G chips in Covid vaccine.
"You want to ditch the CU, you haven't articulated a reason, other than EEA is better than leaving SM, by why one should want EEA rather than EU is still a mystery - also unacknowledged or engaged with is the ERG's desired to avoid SM, or why supporting people's right to choose is undemocratic."
Not ditching the CU but leaving the EU means the EU (without us being part of it) decides our trade with the rest of the world, (as is the situation in NI anyway, but at least those born there can get a vote if they want)
Those people who simply wanted less common rules with the EU and independent 3rd country trade deals wanted to remain in the EEA. Those who didn't want project fear coming true would want it too. Those who want to remain European citizens wanted it too.
Yet you demand their choice isn't allowed. The bait and switch was done and they are forced to chose between the switch and what they voted against.
In the choice of four very distinct relationships, YOU decide that the the two more popular non EU relationships are to be denied to voters.
I cannot believe anyone arguing from such a point of ignorance about what the CU and SM are.
"This is bizarre: your position if I understand is that, because a referendum was held in 2016, no other public consultation may be sought, our general election vote will be held as the only engagement with the issue allowed."
The only bizarre thing is your lack of understanding. How hard is it to understand that a choice between remain and the leave model that had been so badly rejected that it caused a PM to fall isn't really going to satisfy anybody?
The choice needed to be between remain the realistic models of brexit.
Both get back the ability to do independent trade deals and reduce the number of common laws and regulations required.
The other choices would be remain in the Single Market, not have project fear come true but disappoint the xenophobes and what we got - a 3rd country arrangement. Happy xenophobes and project fear come true.
For completeness Grandpa's Turkey model could have been included too.
"I, and Corbyn, amongst others thought they should. HMG and the ERG thought not, so we didn't."
No you didn't you thought they should have a vote on a new relationship that had already been rejected.
Which meant those who wanted out of the EU would not vote Labour. Even if they supported a second referendum on the grounds of fairness.
And thank you for saving me the trouble of explaining why the EEA is of benefit.
It would probably worth you taking the effort to understand what you wrote and how it makes my point for being exactly what the non racist brexiteers wanted. Or perhaps the non racist part of what they wanted.
"So coming out of EU, yet remaining in EEA is worse than Remaining in the EU."
Yes, of course. But staying in the customs union only is far, far worse.
"They rightly got spanked, as it's undemocratic to cancel it, regardless of the sodding manifesto"
You really have a flexible version of democracy don't you?
You do know a government is not bound by the promises of a previous government?
And if they won, why would a referendum be needed?
I suspect the Lib Dems would sue you for that.
And your support for taking away their rights undermines you claims.
And I only brand those that wanted to take away rights as racists.(You know, the ones whom you support getting their way.)
So you prefer the huge delta between EU and CU to the tiny delta between EU and EEA?
The one that takes away rights. of people. Hmmm. Curious. Either you totally fail to understand the nature of the way the UK worked, or there's some other reason.
"1) We were members, changing that was because of a vote. You've decided that, you get to recast that vote as EEA. Which wasn't on the paper - leave was."
Leaving the EU was, leaving the EEA wasn't.
Leaving the EEA (and its consequences) was dismissed as project fear.
So you basically say that Corbyn was right to do what the ERG wanted? So what was the point of a leader of the opposition?
"This is weak mate, come on, try harder. I don't have to vote to understand that losing the right to vote involves a diminution of rights."
Not as weak as your understanding. You are utterly clueless. You actually think that Norway has no representation, and no way to represent its interests?
That's why I asked if you had conversed with anyone who actually attends these meetings, and you haven't.
So stop spouting nonsense.
"So your basis to suggest Corbyn lacks integrity, is his principled refusal to support a flagrant stitch up of the public."
So rejecting the part of brexit that delivers xenophobia and at least 60% of the long term damage a no deal brexit would is a stitch up?
Well that puts your position in perspective.
"Why did May needed Labour votes to pass her deal, when as you will of course recall, the Confidence and Supply arrangement gave her a working majority? She couldn't pass the deal because her party didn't want us in the Single Market."
May's deal did not keep us in The Single Market. (Only for goods via a customs union,and the UK is a services economy. It was the precise opposite of what the UK needed for a "successful" Brexit, )
"So you like me would have voted to remain rather than that deal." Of course, but I voted for the party that gave remain as its manifesto rather than offer that choice. But leavers would be voting for the party that offered the deal they wanted (or thought they did, because few of them actually bother to check what being like Canada actually meant).
"which is why I'd put Hard Brexit as an option" Corbyn's target was a hard brexit. Ending free movement is a hard brexit. You speak like one of those gaslighted into thinking any deal is a soft brexit. It isn't.
I think we should have had "Deal, No Deal, Remain" personally but Corbyn was I think unwilling to risk that amount of damage to the country and so never supported it.
There should have been a preferential referendum between Remain in the EU, Remain in the Single Market and become a 3rd country. A deal that does 2/3 the damage of no deal is no choice.
"The man tried and failed"
It is quite clear he tried and succeed. He got the hard brexit he desired, and left the blame with the Tories. But he didn't do it with integrity, he used the same lies all the other brexiteers did.
"EEA is worse than remain, why should he advocate for it?"
Only for racists/xenophobes and those benefiting from a Singapore on thames arrangement (not many)
So for you to say that either your evident ignorance of what the relationships in Europe are is in play or you have a vested interest.
Ending free movement of people (which is a requirement of the four freedoms) is pandering to racists.
Anyone who supports pandering to racists does not have integrity.
"The public gets to vote on the deal, with remain option, or Labour won't support you. She refused as again, nobody thinks the public will go for this given a second change to avert the mess, so Labour carried on making the case for 2nd ref."
Not until very late in the game and Corbyn virtually had to be dragged screaming.
But you still don't address how Labours manifesto commitment to give a choice between a version of Brexit that no-one else actually wants and remain is actually democracy. It appears more like a deliberate ploy to lose the election, and let the Tories do their version of a hard brexit and then take
the blame.
"EEA seems like we become subject to rules we can't set. Decided at meetings we don't attend."
You obviously have never spoken to anyone who attends such meets and have no clue of the actual relationship.
And what you state is now the situation if we want to export to our biggest market, or have you missed the news over the last 12 months or so?
I am referring to launch time, when I believe Pentiums were still using a larger socket.
Where I worked pretty soon limited sales of windows 95 to well specced 486 systems (no winbond chipsets.) for those planning to run DOS apps and 32 bit apps.
.
You wanted a Pentium, you got 3.1x. You wanted to run 16 bit apps you got 3.1x
No upgrades - wipe and re-install.
No legacy 16 bit drivers.
Later on the Pentiums (I think there was a new support chipset along with a new package) worked fine.
(Not sure the originals were ever any good though.)
I disagree with the assertion of when it was awful.
At launch Windows 95 on a 486 with enough RAM (at least 5MB, but preferably 8) from a fresh install was fine, with 32 bit and DOS software.
Using a Pentium was not. Upgrading Win 3.x was not. Using 16 bit Windows software was not (in most cases).
DOS programs were fine.
Eventually Pentiums were OK running it.