* Posts by Milo1970

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I'm diabetic. I'd rather risk my shared health data being stolen than a double amputation

Milo1970

Re: here comes the fear argument

The arguments against data sharing appear to be fear-based - explicitly, around the fear that data will be sold and abused.

On the other hand, the argument in this article appear to be based on the clear benefits to everyone who will experience ill-health of sharing data.

You cannot selectively invoke a 'fear-argument trope' if you are using a fear argument yourself.

Milo1970

Insurance - this relates to the US and other jurisdictions with no national health service. This article is written within the UK context where health care is primarily paid for by the tax payer and is therefore free at the point of need.

Milo1970

Re: I'm with you

What are his business interests? It sounds like you are making an assumption here without evidence.

Milo1970

No research guarantees a cure will be found. Stop all research?

Milo1970

Re: So, specific group studies are no longer a thing?

Wrong. There are many many issues with RCT trials and there is a raft of literature out there on this. But data-based research is not a replacement for that. It is a different paradigm.

Milo1970

Re: News Flash

Yes. It’s about better management of the condition. However, you are not correct on the only cure being a new pancreas, rather on implanting the specific cells destroyed on the pancreas within a semi-permeable membrane.

Milo1970

Re: News Flash

In regard to diabetes, you are conflating ‘cure’ with ‘better management’. Diabetes is (currently) about Mansgement. Data can help with that.

Milo1970

Re: Sorry, you're betting on the wrong horse

This is incorrect. You are conflating traditional randomised controlled trials on small populations - n=20 for a typical phase II trial - with mass population studies of, say, the effects of metformin on a mass population in regard to its effects on reducing the prevalence of a range of cancers. The first doesn’t and can’t replace the second. They are very different things.

Milo1970

Re: If the incentives are wrong, you need to change them

It is very very hard to recruit eligible patients with rare diseases who fall within the inclusion criteria of any specific trial who are sufficiently close to the research centre. But this piece us not about data as a replacement to RCT trials - it is a whole different paradigm.

Milo1970

Re: Conflict

OP makes this point. Pharma won’t pay for such data research when it comes to repurposing extant drugs with no IP.

Milo1970

Re: We love it?

Not you. Not your wife. Not many people. But most people don’t do what you do. Hence, the FB subversion of democracy. You and the tech savvy cohort here are not most people, sadly.

Milo1970

Re: I'm with you

Not wishful thinking at all. This is entirely correct.

Opt-out is the right approach for sharing your medical records with researchers

Milo1970

Re: Very sensible approach to my mind.

I feel the harms suggested are hypothetical.

1. A risk that an employer may know of your disease profile, or the hypothetical genetic risk you may get a disease and not employ you is unlikely. This would be subsumed by many real-world realities. For example, women of child bearing age are given jobs despite the fact they may fall pregnant on the company clock.

2. The majority of the working population has (in aggregate) a chronic disease and/or mental health issues. At least a third of us will die of cancer. More will contract it and survive it with treatment. If we don't get cancer in work time the chances are we will get something else, before we retire. Employers, whether they know an individual's risk profile or not, must deal with the reality that health problems are common. Further, we all have genetic dispositions to develop certain diseases given sufficient time and environmental triggers. It feels unlikely that a prospective employer will fish out the theoretically healthy option (assuming they know the health profile of everyone) given that so many of us will get ill at some point. Who are the genuinely healthy safe bets?

3. The above is therefore priced into the labour market and employee risk profile.

4. Speaking personally - not therefore strictly logically (arguing from the particular to the general which is at best inductive logic) - I have T1 diabetes and a rare cancer. I have always been explicit about these before accepting a job and I have never been turned down for a job.

I believe, therefore, that the risks commentators are supposing are theoretical and are outweighed by the real, obvious, tangible and concrete benefits of anonymised data sharing.

Milo1970

Re: Very sensible approach to my mind.

I agree. The dangers, such as they are, are hugely overwhelmed and rendered irrelevant by the huge gains and advances at stake for humanity. I have not heard anyone yet articulate a clear and tangible risk to an individual from a data breach. While I am sure those risks are real, I would then want a clear weighing up of those risks against the massive benefits available to release of medical data that can track age, co-morbidities, extant drug interventions etc that will be available to researchers as a result of this data share. In moral terms this is a slam-dunk utilitarian argument. Condemn millions to offer a nominal protection of the individual from a non-specific low risk.

Milo1970

Re: The problem with data

If you actively consent (and it is possible to actively consent even within the aegis of 'assumed' consent) because you see a personal benefit or a benefit to the commonwealth then it is less a matter of losing control, rather actively taking control. It is perhaps like stepping on an aircraft. One makes an active decision to handover control in one's personal interest. That is, in itself, a controlled decision.

Milo1970

The trials of which you speak (RCTs) which study very small amounts of people are very different from mass data research in a generalised population.

RCTs to develop new treatments cost millions and then to bring new drugs to market from those trials cost billions (typically). Universities cannot afford to run such trials and big pharma is not going to gamble on them for anything other than close to dead certs. Rare diseases don't get a look in.

A mass data analysis is quick, cheap, focussed and doesn't put patients at risk by exposing them either to untested drugs or denying them those potentially life-saving drugs (at the efficacy stage - Phase IIa/b and Phase II of the trial process) if they are on the placebo wing of the trial. This is not comparing like with like. Data research for mass disease is a totally different paradigm.