* Posts by fwthinks

42 posts • joined 18 Apr 2019

Never knowingly under-digitally transformed: Retailer John Lewis outsources tech function to Wipro



If you are a small company with a few IT people, it may make sense to get economies of scale by outsourcing, but I struggle to understand why large businesses with hundreds of IT staff would outsource.

It is such a short term view - haven't they seen all the other companies that continual go through the outsoucing / insourcing cycle, plus all the failed IT projects being run by external consultancies. Not to mention the fact that from now on, IT in retail is a core function - the biggest retailer in the world is an IT company - Amazon.

UK MPs to off-payroll workers: Delay IR35 reforms until 2023? You wish


Given that this is about "disguised" employees - there is obviously an element of people / companies trying to avoid matching such criteria. I personally would favor a more practical mechanism which would make a decision based on probabilities rather than a few black and white statements. For example if the majority of the following apply, you are likely (but not guaranteed) to be a disguised employee

- You are required to use a company PC - and not permitted to use your own devices.

- You are added to the company directory and required to use company email address

- You are required to attend regular company meetings that are not directly related to your work.

- You contract does not specify what you need to deliver just a fixed time period.

- You need to provide regular time sheets to get paid- not a report of deliverables completed.

- Your fees have no direct relationship to the quality of work - i.e. you are on a fixed rate with no quality review capability to adjust these fees.

- You are required to comply with the company ways of working and policies - for example travel class restrictions or traveling with specific companies

- You do not need to provide guarantees on the work you have completed which can be invoked after you leave - i.e. similar to sale of goods legislation.

Rogue ADT tech spied on hundreds of customers in their homes via CCTV – including me, says teen girl


Re: "ADT failed to monitor consumers’ accounts"

I would agree that ADT should not shoulder all the blame - but they are jointly responsible.

On the good side, they collected logs and were able to trace the issue. However on the bad side, it took a customer to monitor the logs and alert them to the problem. Why were ADT not monitoring the logs? probably because it costs time and money - so almost certainly somebody in ADT made this trade-off that they did not want to pay this work to be done.

Yes, you have to delegate control to employees and give them the ability to do their job, but every company is responsible for ensuring monitoring is not only in place but also regularly audited.

Uber, Lyft struck by sue-ball, no, sue-meteorite in California after insisting their apps' drivers aren't employees


Re: Meanwhile (according to the BBC)...

"it isn't substantially different to the IT contractor position of insisting they are not employees"

That is correct, but IT contractors generally get paid a lot more and financially benefit by not being classed as an employee - while Uber drivers and other gig economy contractors generally get near minimum wage and lose out from being a contractor. So the arguments are identical, but the view is different depending on how much money you make. If Uber drivers were paid a lot more, you would not hear many of them arguing to be considered employees.

UK snubs Apple-Google coronavirus app API, insists on British control of data, promises to protect privacy


Re: Difficult choice

^ This is the crux of the issue - what does amaze me is the number of people who just automatically trust the statements from google/apple - especially given the history of them deceiving people and covertly collecting data. To me the supposed additional privacy of their solution is dependent on them being and remaining honest. It only takes a few people to start seeing dollar signs at the prospect of using all that personal data, for the privacy to disappear.

I am very uneasy about the whole solution, irrespective of who manages the solution. However maybe us sensitive types are irrelevant in this discussion. Billions of people happily give personal data out on the internet every day. So maybe the critical mass requirements will be met by all the Facebook fans.

However there are dire consequences both economically and personally if this pandemic continues to control our way of life for the next few months even years - so my view is that I would install the app if this goes some way to allowing us to return to normal sooner. The privacy consequences could become irrelevant if things turned bad.

BAE Systems tosses its contractors a blanket... ban on off-payroll working under upcoming IR35 tax reforms


Re: "[HMRC] has predicted the reforms will recoup £1.2bn a year by 2023"

Previously when specific guidelines were published, all that happened was contractors/agencies/businesses modified the contracts to include specific statements that would be used as a means to justify being outside of IR35. Contractors and businesses were complicit in this game of moving the goalposts. The "substitute" agreement is typically in most contracts, but both the company and contractor know this will likely never be invoked or tested. In most cases its is completely impractical and could never work. Most businesses take several days/weeks to onboard new contractors and no company would allow a complete stranger to just walk in one day and have access to their IT systems. Advance planning may be possible in some cases, but not in any of the companies I have worked for.

So I am sure if HRMC stated that any contract less than x months would be outside of IR35, then suddenly you will see a massive spike in people changing their contracts to justify being outside of IR35. When in reality, nothing changes in the office on a day to day basis.

Auf wiedersehen, pet: UK Deutsche Bank contractors plan to leave rather than take 25% pay cut for IR35 – report



It's not tax breaks - but contractors working in limited companies have more flexibility to use tax allowances and schemes to optimize their tax than people on PAYE. Nothing wrong in principle, but I suspect some people are not 100% honest with the tax man.

An example - if you employ your wife/partner in your limited company and they do not have another job, then they can make use of their full tax free allowance and reduce your company tax bill - overall your family will have saved a lot of tax.This is certainly allowed in the rules and there are plenty of people who are honest with this allowance.

But there is an ethical question - If you only pretend that your partner is working for you but you pay them a salary, then legally it is tax evasion. However if you know that the tax man can never work out whether they do any work and so will unlikely to be found guilty of tax evasion - then should you still use that mechanism to lower your tax?

That appears to the crux of the whole argument around tax - some contractors are very conservative with the allowances and only use them if they have a legitimate requirement. Other contractors are very aggressive and will try to use any allowance, even if their eligibility is questionable.

Steve Jobs, executives shot down top Apple engineers' plea to design their own server CPU – latest twist in legal battle over chip upstart Nuvia


The future

I bet these companies can't wait for the ability to use a Men in Black type neuralyzer to wipe all your intellectual knowledge on the day you resign.

UK contractors planning 'mass exodus' ahead of IR35 tax clampdown – survey


Re: hyperbole?

If a role is going to take more than 1 year, then I would be looking to ensure staff were involved and eventually take over the role - whether that is retraining staff or bringing in new staff. 1 year is more than enough time to train somebody on any platform/technology if you are willing to put the time, effort and budget into it. Any company that allows an external provider (whether contractor or consultancy) to spend 2 or 3 years working on a new solution and then they walk out without ensuring internal knowledge remains, is asking for trouble. However it does happen, which shows that a lot of companies are just badly run and looking at everything in the short term.



Why is this issue being presented in such apocalyptic terms. It's just a issue around paying tax and whether you need to pay more or less tax. Work will still exist and rates may vary but both are dependent on demand / skills. Whether the tax rules are fair is a completely different argument.

Black cab / uber drivers are complaining about the amount of money they make, not simply because of tax laws, but because the market is flooded. This is also a risk in the IT contracting marking - as long as there are people who accept less money than others, businesses will always be able to get contractors. Just don't assume businesses care about quality. It's just another risk that comes with the territory.

You, FCC, tell us again why cities are only allowed to charge rich telcos $270 to attach 5G tech to utility poles?


Fixed fees have a place if you can then ensure that the extra revenue they save from large cities is used to subsidize other locations. However it seems from the article that this is an assumption by the FCC and not a formal requirement. Meaning businesses can completely ignore it if they want.

Are there people out there that still think businesses will provide services just because they want to be good to society?

Ever wondered how Google-less Android might look? Step right this Huawei: Mate 30 Pro arrives on British shores


Missed opportunity?

I would have thought that a bargain phone with good specs would be a better option - as most people would accept the limitations of no play store if they think they are getting a better deal on the hardware. If I am spending nearly a grand on a phone, I would want all the bells and whistles and not have to play around with side-loading.The only reason the amazon store exists is become their tablets are dirt cheap and people will put up with the limited options.

GitLab can proclaim diversity all it likes, but it seems to have a real problem keeping women on staff or in management


Correlation does not equal causation.

Companies that are diverse and are doing well, may have many other corporate traits that help drive that success. Diversity is good, but assuming diversity by itself is the single cause is in itself a very blinkered view.

And if you turn to your left, you can see the walls of Amazon Web Services' vast server farm. And next to it, a gift shop and visitor center


Re: No-one mentions AWS

I don't think Amazon is that different in terms of workers rights and low - they are just as guilty as the others.

I do see Amazon as different in terms of strategy and tax avoidance and they are my pick for becoming the monopoly mega-corp that we see in science fiction. They still do not pay any dividend and all their money is pumped into development and new services. Some will work out, others will not. If you don't make a profit, then you won't be taxed.

If you compare that to Apple, Microsoft or Oracle, who all seem to be sitting on large piles of offshore profit which they are afraid to bring home as it will be taxed. They appear to have very short term strategies - while amazon is playing the long game.

UK energy watchdog to probe National Grid and Scottish Power over fault-plagued subsea cable


Re: The future for undersea power cables

The cost / benefit may not be too good today, but I would be surprised if these schemes are being rejected instantly. There are lots of work being done with high-voltage DC transmission (HVDC) as this is more efficient for long distance cables.

Just look at the amount of long distance oil and gas pipelines - if there is enough money to be made, distance and engineering issues will be overcome.

By the way, conditions at the bottom of the sea tend to be a lot calmer than at the surface - as long as you are not too near any tectonic faults.

Brave, Google, Microsoft, Mozilla gather together to talk web privacy... and why we all shouldn't get too much of it


Re: bah

Completely agree - There are two completely different topics - Firstly the ability to track individuals for targeting adverts and secondly the intrusive nature of ads on sites (and their bandwidth stealing).

I just can't understand why tracking individuals is required to provide adverts - as people have said, you just see a different advert. If I am reading an article on El Reg, it is quite a good guess that an IT related advert could be relevant. You don't need to track every other web site I go to. Code which blocks adverts (whether targeted or not) is a separate discussion and I can understand why this could have an impact on content providers.

Tracking individuals does not provide advertisers any significant benefit - this is all bluff by Google / Facebook to charge extra for advert placement. The are the only people who would be significantly affected by not being able to target adverts, not companies like news sites.

How a Kaggle Grandmaster cheated in $25,000 AI contest with hidden code – and was fired from dream SV job


What worries me the most, is that the code was available to view and the cheat code was not quickly identified. I think this is a major problem with software development today, that code is so complex with multiple layers of dependencies, people simply pick up code blocks and just assume it is secure and functioning correctly. Even open source code is not guaranteed safe until thoroughly reviewed.

EU declares it'll Make USB-C Great Again™. You hear that, Apple?


Sorry - i though this article was about charging - which is measured in volts and amps - not Mb/s


USB is over 20 years old - so already a mature technology. Wireless charging aside, I am struggling to understand what innovations have been made. Apart from reducing the size of the connector and making it reversible, there is little change. Incremental changes in power levels and control - but otherwise I don't see power deliver as an area that will see a quantum leap that requires complete freedom to deliver the next improvements. This is just a battle over revenue.

At present waste and pollution costs are not passed back to the manufacturer. Why should large electronic companies be able to make large profits on products which cannot be repaired or recycled at my expense by my increased tax charges for environmental management. We should be charging an additional tax on every device based on how environmentally friendly it is. If someone still wants to buy the latest shiny shiny, then fine, but they should pick up the full lifetime cost of that product.

Ring of fired: Amazon axes multiple workers who secretly snooped on netizens' surveillance camera footage


The article references an internal policy which I suspect gives employees little or no option but to agree to allow their videos to be shared. While this may give Ring a good stream of data to analyze, it is probably very stupid from a security perspective, as it means people who have authority to look at the data, very likely know the people who's data it is. I also see no reference to anonymization.


Who would have thought that people would like to know what their co-workers were up to outside of work?

UK government review of IR35 tax reforms? Like a broken pencil, say contractors groups – it'll be utterly pointless


Re: It's over....

Up until now, it has been the responsibility for each contractor to self assess their role. However so many of the contractors that have been in the same company for several years* refuse to accept that they were disguised employee's. So HRMC has decided to move responsibility to the companies that take on the contractors.

Yes this is a very blunt instrument and hits legitimate contractors as well - but did anyone realistically expect some contractors to voluntary start paying more tax to save others from being impacted?

How many steps was that, then? Uncle Sam's lawyers, watchdog race to probe Google's Fitbit gobble


Diminishing returns?

I can see the potential of collecting and aggregating large amounts of data on individuals, but only for selling as datasets to other businesses - for example I am sure health insurance companies would love to see fitbit data to help them increase your premiums.

However there must be a limit to this from an advertising perspective. Even if my best friend was deciding what adverts I should see online, I would be very surprised if I would suddenly start buying more stuff that I don't need.

Maybe I am looking at this the wrong way. It could be that companies that want to advertise simply don't understand that after a certain level of targeting, your revenue will not increase, but your costs will. If companies (and political parties) continue to demand ever more detailed targeting capability, then Google is simply meeting that demand.

20% of UK businesses would rather axe their contractors than deal with IR35 – survey


Re: Dangers of moving from outside to inside IR35

Apart from temporary skill gaps, there are two other key reasons why companies will take on contractors rather than permanent staff

1) Dealing with sacking/redundancies will require a good HR department to follow the correct process - but most companies HR department will typically mess up the process.

2) Teams of permanent staff need to have good managers - but most managers are not very good at managing people. It's just easier to to bully and terminate contractors when they don't do what they are told.

In the main, a lot of contractor positions in big companies are due to incompetence within HR and management rather than the technical skills that a contractor brings to the role.

'Peregrine falcon'-style drone swarms could help defend UK against Gatwick copycat attacks


Re: numbers game

I suspect the per-programmed drones rely on GPS signals which can be jammed. However jamming solutions today are currently a bit unpredictable.

Will someone think of the taxpayer? UK.gov needs to stop burning billions on shoddy procurement, says Reform


Re: Government has lost the capability to commission outsourced contracts

I have seen similar issues in private companies - when they outsource such a large percentage of the work, they simply lose the capability to manage suppliers or understand what they are doing. Leading to failed projects or overspending - as there is little incentive for suppliers to complete early or under budget.

Companies, and just as equally, government - need to have a significant percentage of skilled resources to provide proper oversight and governance. I would suggest a minimum of 20% of a project should be from in-house and cover key roles such as project management, architecture and security. Really you just want a supplier to provide the specialist resources or perform the volume grunt work.

UK tech freelancer numbers down for first time in 5 years since IR35 tax reforms hit public sector


Every benefit that an employee receives has a specific value that can be used to calculate the total remuneration package. Employee packages are not some magic pot of unlimited gold that companies cannot control. Companies can also mitigate risk using insurance to further control costs.

Comparing contractor and employee packages is very simple. In either case, each person needs to decide if the overall package/rate meets their requirement.

So any contractor complaining that employee's get a better deal are simply ignoring the fact that they personally decide whether they should receive any benefits or take the money instead.

IR35 blame game: Barclays to halt off-payroll contractors, goes directly to PAYE


Re: IR35 idiocy

Given the number of number of IT contractors in the country, it's highly unlikely that all of them can quit and look for other jobs either in this country or abroad. There simply aren't enough jobs available. It's the same for demanding higher rates. Some people will be successful and others will just have to accept what they are being offered.

Only the best contractors will be able to pick and choose their jobs and rates. It may come as a surprise to some people, but not all contractors are high performing experts that we expect. There is a mix of good and bad, just as in any industry. I have worked with some truly amazing contractors, but also contractors that I am amazed managed to get past the interview.

Consumer campaign to keep receiving printed till receipts looks like a good move – on paper


Re: The problem is there's no defined standard, so it's roll-your-own (again)

One other really important consideration - is that you need to be able to create an offline store for your emails, otherwise you can't access it when email is not accessible or your email account is removed / moved. If you don't have full offline access to your own data, you have no control over it.

UK taxman wins tribunal case against BBC presenters


Re: TL;DR they were badly advised by their own accountants ?

The more probably scenario is that these people are claiming ignorance of the tax laws to try to get a sympathetic hearing. As they were working for the BBC and being highly paid, this suggests a sufficient level of intelligence to be able to understand the basics of IR35.

Most accountants will explain the tax implications clearly to their clients and in most cases accountants are on a fixed fee. Meaning there is little incentive in deceiving your client if you are not getting any extra money. The main discussion tends to be around risk - i.e. how likely am I to get caught? and that is where maybe the accountants were not clear enough. Even in this case, these people would fully understand that they were taking some level of risk.

MPs call for 'immediate' stop to facial recog in UK as report underlines bias risks in 'pre-crime' algos used by coppers


Re: MPs call for 'immediate' stop to facial recog

Not necessarily. It depends on how successful the technology is. In an ideal world the evidence will be the determining factor whether this is adopted or not based on how well it works. Unfortunately we live in a world where evidence and science are considered fake news. So probably it will used to trick people into thinking it works - and that is where the risk exist. It is then adopted to to simply show that the police are doing something about crime.

Now on Amazon Prime: The Amazing Shrinking UK Tax Burden


I am not disagreeing with your statements, but these miss the point. The rules are to ensure consistency across all businesses. However companies like Amazon have processes which are designed to specifically maximize the ability to benefit from these rules.

You may argue that this is something that all companies could do and also represents good financial management, but I suspect that many of these internet companies are using artificial structures which do not align with the real world reality of how the company is structured.

The bottom line is that the tax collection models are still based on 20th Century (and before) business model and the Internet has fundamentally thrown that model on its head. It will take years before a new tax model is developed that is able to cope with the way these companies operate.

The issue for me is not the level of tax that is levied, but ensuring that the tax burden for each company/person is fairly distributed. So local companies can compete fairly with multi-nationals.

Web body mulls halving HTTPS cert lifetimes. That screaming in the distance is HTTPS cert sellers fearing orgs will bail for Let's Encrypt


Re: Follow the money

Automation does not solve all the issues - you just move control of the certs from a person to a scheduled task but this process needs permissions to manage your certs and for example perform the LetEncypt challenge.

I am not saying it cannot be secured, but about understanding whether new risks are being created or existing risks being moved to another part of the process. So moving to a 3 month renewal could increase risks if you are not careful.

Y'know how everyone hated it when tuition fees went up? Cutting them now could harm science, say UK Lords


Up until a year or two ago, nursing degrees were free of tuition fees - which made sense as it would encourage people to take up nursing. Why anybody in government thought it was good idea to bump up the cost to 9K is beyond belief.

If we had any sort of intelligent government, you would adjust the fees for each type of course to address skills gaps. For example charge 20K a year for a media studies degree and use this money to cross subsidise STEM courses.

Of course you would need to change the student loan model - because at present, the cost of the course is fairly irrelevant to the majority of students who will never pay off their loan in full. Personally I believe that if you want to recover costs from graduates for their course, you need to to do this fairly and charge all graduates additional tax, not just the ones that cannot afford to pay upfront.

Cloud computing's no PICNIC*: Yep, biggest security risks down to customer, not provider


Re: Problem In Chair Not In Computer, says report

Essentially you (and they) are correct - the problem is with the people using the cloud service. However I would split the issue into two conflicting issues as I have sympathy for the IT people trying to secure their cloud environments

1. Management see cloud as a cheap and simple solution to reduce staff and therefore costs - i.e. we don't need a central team, we can just let the devs create and maintain their own infrastructure.

2. The cloud providers are engaging in a technology war to extend functionality and complexity. It takes a lot of time and effort to keep up to date with the changes and new features.

If you are trying to maintain an infrastructure platform which is constantly changing and evolving under you, then unless your company pumps money into keeping staff trained, and that platform maintained and secure, something has got to give.

Apple: Ok, ok, we'll stop listening in on your Siri conversations. For now, but maybe in the future

Big Brother

Re: What the article leaves out

I am willing to accept that each company does things differently, but they are all the same when it comes to explaining what happens behind the scenes - which is to try to hide or obfuscate the process as much as possible.

To whole discussion is about the human review of recordings, but this makes one big assumption - that they have sufficient controls around segregation of duties. While there may be external teams given some recordings, I hate to think about the number of people who would have access to the raw data just from an IT admin perspective.

Working in IT - I know that often what is recorded in the security policy does not align with reality. If Apple/Amazon/Google say they are strictly controlling access to this data - how would we know this is really true unless there was impartial review. So all we are left with is their word and unfortunately they all lost my trust years ago.

Official: Microsoft will take an axe to Skype for Business Online. Teams is your new normal


Re: Bow down and accept the One True UI

For years there has been the slow decline in what I would consider enterprise level applications. developers (or more likely managers) do not seem to know the difference between an app for a home desktop/tablet and one that needs to be deployed to thousands of users or deployed on critical central servers.

Its frustrating to think about the amount of times I have complained to vendors about simple issues such as forcing installation to specific folders, lack of ability to integrate with automation tooling or making assumptions on what features to enable without providing options to disable them.

Another common issue is this current view that products need a fast release schedule or create a new replacement from the ground up (i.e. teams & Skype for business). In a complex enterprise, it can take months/years to get platforms to a stable place. In what world does Microsoft (and others) believe they are creating any business value by forcing change for the sake of it. It is obviously the need to generate revenue driving this, but I cannot see how this will provide a long term benefit. If the software becomes to unstable or requires too much effort to keep updating, businesses will simply move to different products. The old model for Microsoft was application inertia - for example people use Office for years and it worked for them. So there was a lot of resistance to change. If you force people to change UI's / Apps too often, nobody will care anymore what vendor software you use.

Maybe I shouldn't complain, all this crap software is keeping me in a job until I retire.

It's happening, tech contractors: UK.gov is pushing IR35 off-payroll rules to private sector in Finance Bill


Re: Just asking (for a friend naturally)

Its an known issue - Loss Aversion.

If you have the money in your account and you need to pay the tax man, then you feel like you are losing something that you own - your are becoming poorer. However if you pay the tax upfront and you ask for a refund you feel like you are getting a bonus. However it will be very challenging moving from one model to another.

In the old days, I could understand giving people 9 months after the tax year is finished to finalise their accounts and pay due tax. However in this digital age, it doesn't make much sense. I would be in favor of reducing this for all companies. The biggest and most complex companies will have very good tax systems and know precisely what they are meant to pay. That is how the manage to reduce their taxes. The IT systems that manage this pay for themselves.

Vulture gets claws on Lego's latest Apollo nostalgia-fest


Design by Me

The pick a brick service is still there - much bigger range than they used to have and very reasonable. However they do not tend to make the rare pieces available which is a bit annoying.

The design by me service was shut in 2012 which allowed you to design your own 3d model and have a unique set box and instructions created. Very cool, but more expensive than normal sets. They shut it down because they said there was "quality" issues. Personally I would be surprised if the decision was driven by anything other than money.


DXC Technology warns techies that all travel MUST now be authorised


Travel requests

Typical travel discussion at DXC

Boss: I need to you to travel to customer site next week for an urgent meeting.

Me: OK, but can you approve my travel?

Boss: No, you need to submit a request for travel and justify your costs.

Me: But you want me to go, personally I don't want to travel

Boss: You have to follow the process or you need to explain to the customer why you can't make it.

Me: Ok - I have submitted the travel request, but it was rejected by your boss.

Boss: You need to contact them and explain why you need to travel

Repeat process for the next week until the customer makes a big fuss and eventually management relent and approves travel at the last minute forcing the company to pay more for the travel as only expensive tickets are available.

UK industry calls for delay of IR35 off-payroll tax rules to private sector


Re: I am HMRC's target

1) Flexibility has nothing to do with the amount of tax you should pay. If the tax law changes, then either the contractor needs to accept lower income or the company pays a higher rate. The tax man (and all other tax payers) should not need to subsidise the engagement by allowing a contractor to pay a lower tax rate than other people just to keep them in a job. That would be no different from the current system of tax credits for low paid work which just allows much lower rates than would be realistically required to live on.

2) There is nothing stopping your company paying your employee's (i.e. you) any benefits you want. The issue with the two tax systems is that you are both the employer and employee, you get to pick which approach is the most tax efficient. So you get the best of both worlds. I think you also overestimate the benefits and protections that permanent staff get - its very easy to get rid of people in the UK and the market trend over the last 20 years is to remove benefits - for example nobody offers a final salary pension now.

3) I agree that tax revenue may fall - but for different reasons. If a multi-national company employs someone in the UK, then they are not able to avoid tax by using international structures. So switching from contractor to permanent (in the UK) will not lower the tax revenue by itself. The real risk is that the company switches to a company like Wipro / TCS etc and the work is moved off-shore.

Apple won't be appy: US Supremes give green light to massive lawsuit over App Store prices


It's more like an duopoly / oligopoly, as between Google and Apple they dominate the mobile smartphone market.

Sometimes in duopoly this can help customers, for example AMD has historically restricted the ability of Intel to charge more for x86 processors. However when you have two or more businesses that work together, then things can go bad.

Even for a monopoly things can be unclear - there will be a period where the monopoly is great for consumers - for example Google maps is free. However sometimes you need to start breaking down the monopoly to avoid potential future consumer impact when prices are raised, but initially this just looks like you make thinks worse for the consumer. Unfortunately people tend to be very short sighted and don't see the long term benefit.

Yes, I may have advised 'some' investors to flog their Autonomy shares, analyst tells High Court


HP defense?

So several external analysts could work out that there were some funny goings on with Autonomy's accounts, but HP couldn't work this out during due diligence. Sounds like HP didn't do their job properly.


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