* Posts by RancidRodent

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Morrisons puts non-essential tech changes on ice as panic-stricken shoppers strip stores

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Re: I'm just waiting...

There's only so much the sheeple can stockpile, when every available space is full in their homes the shops will be emptier for the rest of us! This kind of activity really screws with supply chain modelling though, there will be a lull in sales when the stockpilers stop buying non-perishables - so what quantities should Morrisons, Tescos etc order in 6 weeks time? It will play havoc given that most supermarkets have little to no stockroom space these days and order on a just-in-time basis.

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This is not a Morrisons initiative.

The government have contacted all large players in the food supply chain and told them to bin non-essential or risky maintenance.

And then there were two: HMS Prince of Wales joins Royal Navy

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Re: Air Cover?

The US won't admit to flying "foreign" aircraft easily - I also expect they were contracted to keep schtum if they intended to fly them for (UK) political reasons as well as their usual relutance to fly non-US produced military aircraft. Either way the GR9s were as good as new aircraft.

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Re: Air Cover?

"Unlikely, they were stripped for parts and sent to the Boneyard. There were too many differences between the US and UK versions to make operating them practical fro the USMC."

True for the GR7s, however, the Americans were so shocked at the excellent condition of the recently refurbed GR9s they DID put them into service after fitting US electronics packages. Remember, Harrier is not a fly-by-computer plane so pilot training isn't really an issue - if you can fly a Harrier you can fly any Harrier. We spent billions refreshing FA2 and the GRns, then the idiot Labour party retired Sea Harrier (FA2) - left without her fighter escort, there was no point keeping the GR7 and GR9 as they could not be flown in contested airspace - and we had other ground attack options anyway. What we should have done is copied the US and spent the recent refurb money combining GR9/FA2 into a single type. Unlike the US we didn't have any other sea-borne fighters, so flying the ground attack variant of Harrier on its own was a pointless waste of money. The Tories got the blame for scrapping Harrier - but Labour made them pointless by retiring Sea Harrier.

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Re: The new one will probably get sunk in the same place...

"How do these magic hypersonic missiles turn corners? Otherwise they'll struggle to hit anything but sea...

Modern surface to air missiles have been successfully used to shoot hypersonic warheads from ballistic missiles - as well as being designed to deal with anti-ship missiles. Although that's not really been put to the test in real life."

Hypersonic missiles are generally ballistic missiles which will be programmed in their downward trajectory to already be pointing towards the target, from then they will only require gentle steering which can be achieved by disrupting the airflow around the missile, the simplest way is to fire compressed air at various points from the missile body - but there are other methods.

So you think that steering one of these things is hard? Think how hard it is to detect something moving so fast, once you have actually detected it (it has moved miles within a single sweep of your search RADAR) you then only have a few seconds to find it in the beam of a tracking RADAR, arm your defence system, get a missile actually launched against gravity and then somehow get it in the same airspace of the object doing over seven thousand five hundred miles per hour. By the time your air defence missile has launched and actually got into the steering stage post takeoff - you're too late - and even if you do, by some miracle, hit it (you won't), the kinetic energy left in the bit and bobs you just hit will more than likely still hit what it was aiming at causing substantial damage. The only hope of hypersonic missile interception is laser based - and we're a long way from generating the sort of energy required to stop a missile hardened enough to survive mach 10 at range.

So no, we haven't got any anti-missile system capable of hitting a hypersonic missle in the real world. If anyone has managed to hit one it was a carefully constructed "test" with known timings etc. - ie the interception was carefully pre-calculated to the last detail.

Crickey, the US couldn't even intercept a subsonic Iraq Silkworm heading for USS Missouri that they saw coming in good time! Luckily for them an ancient Type 42 (HMS Gloucester) was part of the escort - engaging the lumbering 1st gen sea-skimmer with her Sea Dart while USS Jarret's CIWS "goalkeeper" engaged Missouri's chaff instead of the target!

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Re: Two white elephants.

"When you say labour, you're presumably referring to the Blair govt, in which case you may as well say tory"

They left the economy the in the typical post-Labour state - a burned-out-husk - looked like Labour - smelt like Labour. They doubled spending on the NHS but managed to lose 33,000 beds. They doubled spending on "education" (indoctrination) but 1 in 5 school leavers are still functionally illiterate. They unleashed an immigration tsunami on the country and then blamed "austerity" for everything when the real issue was the predictable unfunded subsequent population explosion.

But they did do Labour proud in one way - putting housing back in the hands of the rich meant workings class people were once again trapped in poverty welded to the teat of the state with no means of escape - how very Labour - ensuring a generation of supporters fooled by their politics of envy rather than giving them a genuine way out. As as certain famous hard-left Labour MP once said "Bloody grammar schools - they turn perfectly good Labour stock into Tories". That's all you are to them - stock. Stalin had a more accurate term "useful idiots".

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Re: Two white elephants.

PS apologies for "Navel" dunno whether it was brain fart or finger trouble!

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Re: And All Who Sail In Her

"*sigh* - why can/'t you just say it's a really cool ship of the line, and it's making UK look good?"

Because we've had to run the surface fleet down to the point we can't escort one carrier effectively - let alone two in order to pay for them. Complete waste of time - but then the whole QE class + F35B fiasco was devised under Labour, so what do you expect?

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Re: The new one will probably get sunk in the same place...

Indeed, in order to make the rich people even richer, to drive down the production cost of consumer goods we have given our technological secrets to the rest of the world - particularly China.

China has thousands of hypersonic anti-ship missiles - and they are relatively cheaply available to anyone who wants to buy them. Nothing the west has now - or in the foreseeable future will stop a hypersonic missile.

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Two white elephants.

In order to afford these two white elephants - we've had to run the surface fleet down to the point that we have insufficient vessels to form one proper carrier group - let alone two - and then there are other duties to be done besides!

F35B is an expensive catastrophe - and the QE class is designed such that proper navel aircraft cannot be flown from her (no cats or traps) - so we're tied into a disaster called the F35B with no operational aircraft to deploy now and insufficient surface vessels to escort either effectively.

This disastrous situation is all Labour's doing by the way, the format of the carriers, the cast iron contracts that meant we couldn't switch to F35C or we'd effectively have to pay for the carriers again - the decision to go F35B - All Labour. In a rare moment of clarity by the Tories when they took power, they looked at switching to F35C, but then after studying the small print they realised there was no way out and the white elephants are here to stay.

Of course the Chinese have had a cheap volume-produced hypersonic anti-ship missile for years - the DF-21D - the improved longer range version (DF-26) is already in service - anyone who wants them can buy them - they could sink our entire navy in hours.

We had the balance right with the Harriers and attack helicopters with Type 45 providing air-defence- now we've even sold off HMS Ocean and will have nothing service-ready for years to fly off the elephants. Our Navy is a joke.

Royal Bank of Scotland IT contractor ban sparks murmurs of legal action

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Re: Tiny Violin

"You do realise that often contractors are hired by the personnel dept. And their payments go through the finance dept? You still need people to do that whenther you have all perm or all contractors."

Really? I've been a contractor for over 30 years for well over a dozen large organizations in the UK and Europe and not once have I been engaged or paid via the personnel department.

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Re: Tiny Violin

Contractors raise more tax than equivalent permies - are cheaper for the employer (when efficiency and overheads are taken into account) and don't rack up future financial liabilities. What do you think the cost of running a payroll and personnel support is in a large organization? Plus with contractor you can get the right person with the right skills for the role in hand - rather than spending half your time battering and bending someone to do something they're not very good at. Sure - if you go to a big consulting company charging £2K a day for a developer - yes that's expensive - direct contractors are good value.

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Re: Life goes on.

The client doesn't pay £60K more - they've got to train you to meet this weeks' legislation hot-cake, insure you, run a personnel dept, run a pension scheme or two (BT, GM and Ford are practically bankrupt simply down to pension liabilities) pay maternity leave - as well as put up with crap employees that are difficult to get rid of or perpetual sickie pullers - then end up in court for bogus unfair dismissal cases which they just fold on and pay up - I've had two days off sick in 30 years of contracting. I've often done the work of two or three permies - particularly in coding roles.

Yes there are a lot of excellent permies - but many are bone-idle - particularly in government and council roles. The overall cost is high and efficiency low - even worse if you go off-shore and get three utterly useless bums on seats for the price of one UK permie. Permies are NOT cheap - the hidden costs are enormous. If you want 5 man days' work you need 12 permies (including support staff) to cover it for all the reasons above. Or you could just hire 5 contractors with the right skills and get the work done - and what if the skills required are varied and changeable? With permies you end up with 10 square pegs in 10 round holes.

I know several 40-50 year-olds all excellent in their roles who have done all the travelling round the globe for work, got the T-Shirt and just want to earn an honest crust in the UK - what's wrong with that? - IR35 will destroy thousands of UK jobs and steer big companies who don't want the hassle to outsourcing companies. I suspect this very outcome has been lobbied for by the likes of Andersens, PWH and TCS - which is why why a so-called Tory government is implementing such a Labouresque retrograde tax which will hurt the sort of people who are (were) part of their core voting base.

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Re: Life goes on.

Who said pay £50K tax? I said "raise" - roughly £30K tax (probably about 35) + £20K VAT on a charge rate of £100K + VAT.

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Life goes on.

"contractors just need to man up and pay the same tax as everyone else."

Typical green-eyed permie nonsense.

Contractors typically raise twice as much revenue for HMRC as a permie doing the same role. A £45K PA permie will be paying about £20K tax plus another 5K from his employer.

A contractor doing the same role will charge about £100K, will raise £20K in VAT, will pay about £20K in corporation tax, will pay (admittedly small amounts of IC and NI) but will pay another £20K+ tax on his dividends - as well as having to pay an accountant (required by law) more money indirectly to HMRC.

So from the contractor, HMRC will be collecting close to £50K tax - more than the permie earns gross! The hiring company gets a no-strings worker without personnel overheads and future pension liabilities. The contractor gets more take-home pay - EVERYONE WINS - why are the so-called Tories pursuing Labour's spiteful green-eyed IR35 tax? This will destroy what's left of UK IT jobs and put many (usually Tory) contractors on the dole.

That code that could never run? Well, guess what. Now Windows thinks it's Batman

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Re: writing a variable twice.

Aghhh - 6502 - you wrote more lines of code saving registers than doing any useful work - bloody awful CPUs!

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Re: Managers

"Years ago I was writing a CICS Cobol (remember that...) "

No need to remember it - it's still going strong - so is your application probably - with a fancy front end plastered over the top of it. CICS is estimated to be providing over 1 million transaction per second globally - to this very day - Google's 60,000 searches per second looks a bit feeble in comparison.

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Re: True multitasking didn't exist ...

"Vax VMS OS on circa 1977/1978 Vax 780 hardware WAS multi-tasking. It's main coder Dave Cutler went on to Microsoft in 1988 to startup the task of writing Windows Server which came out in 1991/1992."

Lyons Leo MK3 was properly multitasking in 62/62. As for Mr Cutler, NT wasn't all his work despite the myths and legends - MS took a cut of OS/2 at the point of the break up with IBM - which was already a fully-fledged multitasking operating system with virtual memory support before Cutler touched it. Yes he did some great work but he didn't add multitasking or virtual memory - it already did it - I've no doubt he greatly improved it - of course the all IBM rewrite of OS/2 (Warp and Merlin) blew NT out of the water performance wise and required a 5th of the RAM to be productive, the MVS team helped out with the paging algorithms. Sadly for IBM, the falling cost and higher availability of RAM coincided with Warp's release so NT took off when Warp really should have. NT's biggest advantage over Warp was multiple "terminal queues" so misbehaving apps were better isolated from doing damage to user activity. OS/2s only real weakness - a poorly app could lock all "terminal" input/output.

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Re: True multitasking didn't exist ...

The prototype Mk3 version of the world's first electronic general purpose business computer The British Lyons Leo III had multitasking in 1961 - in production in 62.

Iran kills the internet for its people's own good as riots grip the Middle Eastern nation

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A nationwide internal internet.

A nationwide internal internet? Hasn't would-be Dear Leader Corbyn got similar plans for us?

Labour: Free British broadband for country if we win general election

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Ye Gods - back to the dark ages.

Does anyone remember the GPO? I do - "A telephone sir? Certainly. That'll be December - next year - oh, and only installable next to your front door!"

Crikey, if we remained hostage to the GPO through the late 80s early 90s we'd still be connected by 56K modems! Thank god it was privatised!

Any promises to extend rights of self-employed might win an election, hint Brit freelancer orgs

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Tories?

Any proof you want that the Tories are another bunch of bed-wetting SJW virtue-signalling career-politicians is IR-35 - Labour's spiteful green-eyed attack on industry - pursued by "the Tories"...

A contractor doing the equivalent role to a £40K permie will raise more tax for HMRC than the permie (VAT + corp tax, + divvies + NI and income tax), will be cheaper and more flexable for the hiring company (encouraging commerce within our borders) and will deliver more disposable income into the worker's pocket - as well as employ the services of a usually UK-based accountant - everyone's a winner.

But no, this ridiculous attack on our industry will force what's left of IT jobs off-shore - the big corporations won't suddenly start hiring more UK staff - they'll just shut UK technical centres - The "Tories" are putting their core voters on the dole - or should I say ex-core-voters - just to appeal to a bunch of student union types who will never vote Tory regardless of their policies.

Hyphens of mass destruction: When a clumsy finger meant the end for hundreds of jobs

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Yep the console log was usually printed out in real time in those days!

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Re: Nostalgia ain't what it used to be...

In the late 80s we supported about 2,000 online (CICS and TSO) users plus 10,000+ email users (PROFS) on a uniprocessor IBM 3090 with 32Mb memory - plus all the usual batch, payroll, accounting etc.

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clanking machines which needed a host of Tech Adepts

"But also, by modern standards, they're crude, clanking machines which needed a host of Tech Adepts maintaining them"

There's nothing crude about modern mainframes - the technology under the skin is ahead of the x86 world, modern mainframe CPUs process the vast bulk of COBOL and JAVA code natively in hardware, they also have hardware encryption and compression instructions performing these tasks way, way faster than x86 - they also run at 5+Ghz out the box. As for staff, at the site I currently work at there are fewer than 10 mainframe technical staff - the mainframe provides the bulk of processing for the large organisation. There are over 2,000 x86 staff of one form or another. The mainframes consume about 60Kws of energy - the combined x86 - well over 5000Kws just to provide pretty front-ends to the mainframe quietly getting on with delivering the core business with five 9s reliability.

As for "throwing data about" The I/O bandwidth of a single modern IBM zServer is over 800Gb/second, like all IBM mainframes from the 1960s onwards, I/O is performed off the main CPUs - these days on 5+Ghz assist processors. I/O on most x86 metal interrupts the actual CPUs wasting cycles of the (already slow) CPUs and damaging cache hit rates by switching threads. With zHyperLink enabled, latency to read the disk subsystems is under 20 microseconds (yes MICROseconds) - roughly 10x faster than good FICON response and smashing anything available on any other platform to atoms. Of course IBM DS (disk) arrays can be all flash with over a terabyte of cache - so even if you need to do actual I/O - it's mindbogglingly fast. If configured correctly, network I/O between z/OS and or z/VM clusters (operating system images) is done in memory bypassing the network altogether. It a nutshell - you don't know what you're talking about.

Remember the big IBM 360 mainframe rescue job? For now, Brexit has ballsed it up – big iron restorers

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Why not get a quote from a specialist company?

Why not get a quote from a specialist IT transport company such as Technimove (Croydon) (who IBM usually use themselves) then set up a "fundme" account to raise the required amount of cash? Simples.

Criminalise British drone fliers, snarl MPs amid crackdown demands

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Re: "make it a crime to disable geofencing..."

The thing about criminals is they - erm - tend to break the law.

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Concord (sic) doesnt fly anymore.

"A few" means three or more, most commercial aircraft cruise at 350-450mph - or a few hundred miles per hour. in casual parlance.

IR35 blame game: Barclays to halt off-payroll contractors, goes directly to PAYE

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Tories?

Why is a supposed Tory party still pursuing Labour's spiteful IR35 tax? This will destroy what's left of the indigenous IT market - in 97 this was the second largest IT sector in the world. Labour destroyed it by allowing companies to rubber-stamp their own cheap imported Labour which also encouraged outsourcing. now the so-called Tories are pursuing this awful policy. People working through a service company may pay less personal tax - but they pay more tax overall (corporation + VAT + personal tax + economic activity linked to running a company), the company hiring them have lower overheads and the government's overall tax take is increased compared to a permanent employee doing the same job - everyone wins - why are they pursuing this madness?

Large companies will do exactly what Barclays have just announced (which I predicted months ago) the result will end up with more outsourcing and fewer UK jobs - and it's only a matter of time before cheap outsourced labour with no legacy knowledge brings a blue-chip company to its knees. Thicko boards still don't realise that IT IS your business - not a cost to be chopped away at relentlessly.

Pesky legacy kit! It's stopping UK.gov getting at your data – watchdog

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I think you've just invented "views".

"The adjective "suitable" in the description of the database must, of course, include some pretty impressive and reliable security features that not only prevents abuse but also prevents one gov department from seeing data relevant only to a different department."

If you consolidated all the data into one giant table and hosted it on a mature relational database system such as DB2 - you could then create views for different departments - omitting or including columns depending on requirements. Bog standard and very secure part of any industry-strength DBMS.

If you have enough of this type of gut microbe, you can get drunk for free after eating carbs

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Already there, faecal transplants are already used to treat people who have nearly died from vegan diets.

Roughly 5% of Caucasians people on a vegan diet will experience an over-breeding of a particular type of gut bacteria - this then causes perforated or "leaky" intestines which will result in death if left untreated - the treatment is a faecal transplant from a healthy meat eater to reestablish a healthy balance. Early symptoms of the above are sores, poor skin, generally feeling unwell. Obviously if the bowel has gone from "leaky" to "perforated" then you're probably past saving.

IBM looks to boost sales the same way it has for 65 years – yes, it's a new mainframe: The z15

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Re: It's a bit late

Yes, Rometty has been a disaster for IBM - but lucky for them all the other big IT companies have got rid of all the experienced staff too!

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Re: "super-expensive mainframes"

In most datacentres I've worked in over the last 15 years - you have the mainframe running the core business with perhaps 5-20 people running it with a relatively small power and heat footprint - then on x86 you have megawatts of servers with 1000 people supporting them providing the flashy front end that breaks every third week. "propriety protocols" - what are you on about? The mainframe supports just about every API/interface and protocol you can shake a stick at.

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"In The Box"?

COBOL has never been included "in the box" - nor has ANY OS - it's an orderable feature. z13 gave us a massive jump in COBOL performance (with COBOL 5&6), there's a similar leap with z15 as the new compiler generates architecture optimised code (the old COBOL compilers always generated bog standard 370 assembler that would run on a 30 year old machine) now you can specify the oldest machine you want to support with the "arch level" parameter - the result is code that can be anything up to twice as fast as generic 370 code. (PL/1 has worked like this for years), z15 also adds to the list of Java instructions supported in hardware further boosting the already impressive Java performance on Z including extensive SIMD support for popular mathematics classes.

The really useful (but undersold) feature of z is the ability for network traffic on the same "box" to bypass the network and communicate at memory speeds, this means your (thousands and thousands of) Linux machines running on z can "talk" to DB2 on z/OS at memory speeds (no network latency) - direct access to your core business data from "modern" applications. This isn't just SMC-D (which z also supports) this is baked into the network stack. z/OS 2.4 has a Kubernetes docker/container stack built in - so again - your hybrid cloud apps can talk directly to your core business data at source without the usual latency. Of course this data can be compressed and encrypted on the fly with practically no loss of performance as all these hardware features are baked into z15.

Has outsourcing public-sector IT worked? The Institute for Government seems to think so, kinda

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Hmmmm

You'd have to be pretty crap to be outperformed by any form of council/government worker - even the dross that do the needful are better than the average public trot.

COBOL: Five little letters that if put on a CV would ensure stable income for many a greybeard coder

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Code Injection

On z15 when you "getstor" (replacement for getmain) you can specify non executable storage (memory), this means even if you're a privileged program, you cannot inject code into you non-exec memory and execute it. Nor can you modify yourself unless you’ve gone out of your way to create a non-re-entrant program – which will stick out like a sore thumb – and will usually be loaded into read only memory areas anyway.

Not so easy to make a quick getaway when it takes 3 hours to juice up your motor, eh Brits?

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Re: 30m quid on removing greenhouse gases?

Bang on the money! I've been calling warmists "climate deniers" for about 20 years!

A real head-scratcher: Tech support called in because emails 'aren't showing timestamps'

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Not apocryphal.

Back in the mid to late 80s the head of Data Operations (IT) in the company I worked for used to get his secretary to print his emails to be placed in his in-tray, if a response was required he would dictate it to her for her to copytype and send - it was not uncommon for him to sit his secretary on his knee! (yes really!) all sent and received emails were then dutifully filed and a rotadex (sp?) updated for cross-referencing. He was in his late fifties then - it's not surprising that people born in the 1930s were not exactly IT literate - and typing of any form was seen as "girls' work".

As Alexa's secret human army is revealed, we ask: Who else has been listening in on you?

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All hail the EULAssr.

“Well, in Europe, you don't have to, because they're not enforceable.

Of course, after Brexit, when the UK tries to stick its tongue even further up Uncle Sam's arse, that may well change!”

The same peoples’ rights friendly EU who can submit an EU arrest warrant to have you whisked away without trial to a continental jail – for committing a “crime” that isn’t even a crime in the UK? The same jolly boys and girls who replaced a democratically elected Prime Minister for daring to offer his citizens a referendum on EU membership? The same unelected peoples’ power champions who raided the private back accounts of a whole nation of people and gave them a haircut for some perceived infringement by their government? What sane people would want to leave a spiffing club like that?

As Red Hat prepares to become part of Big Blue, its financials look as solid as Linux kernel 2.4

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The 2.4 planets align!

Talking about the RH 2.4 kernel, z/OS 2.4 (IBM's core mainframe OS) will directly host RHEL virtual machines meaning you don't have to run bare-bones or go down the DPM or z/VM route reducing the skill-sets required in your shop to support RH.

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Kill Innovation?

Kill innovation? IBM wrote Eclipse and then handed it to open-source, IBM are one of the leading blockchain developers. IBM has invented more ground-breaking hardware and software than practically any other company in the world, the worlds' first hard-drive, RAM, the RISC CPU, the floppy disc drive, relational database, magnetic stripe card, scanning tunnelling microscope, the universal product code, the first chess computer to beat an active world chess champion - a quarter century solid of filing more patents than any other company. They've been running virtual machines since 1972!

Today's IBM mainframes can move an active Red-Hat Linux guest in real time from one physical machine to another without interrupting service - what other platform can do that? I call that innovative! Today's IBM mainframes have hardware assistance (specialist instructions) to accelerate Java - does x86?

Serverless is awesome (if you overlook inflated costs, dislike distributed computing, love vendor lock-in), say boffins

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"I think we're somewhere near mainframe at the moment."

Minus the efficiency and reliability of course - that "progress" - apparently...

London Gatwick Airport reopens but drone chaos perps still not found

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Re: Don't just do something! Stand there!

As the perps of this alleged offence have ticked the no-publicity box - to my mind there are only two motives left. Financial Jihad by the usual mob or divide and rule by the government.

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Re: Anyone see the drones ? Anyone at all ?

MSM = MainStream Media.

Ever heard of Google?

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Re: Fire and forget ...?

The individual may not be on the database but it's likely a family member is. Many cases are solved by going after a family tree via a close DNA match.

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Re: The only thing stacking up here is the holding pattern

Could the multiple sightings from staff be a hoax dreamt up by a particular, ahem, brotherhood. A form of financial terrorism?

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Re: machine gun?

Older machine guns tended to have heavier rounds which are more of a nuisance to innocent bystanders.

However perhaps a modern equivalent of the WW2 Sten (a 9mm sub machine gun) fitted to a tripod allowing no less than a 70 degree angle of fire loaded with a suppressor and (tracer) hollow point rounds (to reduce range and kinetic energy) keeping the firing arc within the airport's perimeter, of course it would have to be fired away from buildings/aircraft. It would be terribly inaccurate but I'm sure it would be accurate enough, in the right hands, to hit a commercial drone at the typical service ceiling of 400-500ft. I'd be more than surprised if a 9mm hollow point fired at a 70 degree angle from a sub machine gun/pistol could make it much further than a kilometre.

It wouldn't be terribly difficult to incorporate a laser range-finder/target illuminator.

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if this whole hoax was true, putting a large (but evidently invisible) drone in the path of incoming aircraft would be putting hundreds of people's lives at risk - in the air and on the ground. Sounds like terrorism to me. But of course it's absolutely NOT terrorism related - even thought the government profess to have no idea who actually did it or what their motives are. Of course that's not true, they know who did it (the hoax - them) and what the motive was (to scare us into allowing even more of our liberties to go bye bye at our expense) giving them the excuse to further increase big-government. Makes me laugh when people spit out the word "Tories" - this lot are SJW social democrats like the other two parties.

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Re: Clay pigeon shoot?

Er, the airspace wasn't contested - that's the whole point! What should have been flying was grounded and anything else would be at 30,000 feet. A decent goose hunter with the right shot would easily hit a drone at 300 feet, police marksmen with the "wrong" shotguns\shot and army snipers with sights and weapons designed to fire long and far have one in a million chance of hitting a drone unless it hovers in front of their nose.

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Anyone see the drones ? Anyone at all ?

The only drones I've seen are the MSM swallowing this nonsense hook line and sinker. Cue some ultra restrictive anti-drone regulations/licensing designed to employ more big government pen-pushers and deprive the taxpayer of even more of their hard-earned to follow a hobby - meanwhile, the baddies will carry on doing exactly as they please - coz guess what? Criminals don't abide by the law! Whodathunkit?

What this government-orchestrated hoax will do, is inspire copy-cat events after we've witnessed the devastating disruption that can be caused by an imaginary drone incursion. Just got to find a mentally ill person with a subscription to Drones Weekly to pin it on now - even better it some "right wing" angle can be construed.

You can hear the drone of an over-worked shredder near you churning through another batch of dodgy MPs' expense claims, move along, nothing to see here - LOOK! A DRONE!

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