* Posts by a_builder

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City council megaproject to spend millions for manual work Oracle system was meant to do


Re: Credit where it is due. This was years in the making.

It isn’t the councillors who will have made the real decisions.

It will have been the executives who will be paid £100k’s that is where the blame should lie. By now they will have moved in circles to their next better remunerated job..


Re: Priceless ..

I’m struggling with how to screw up a banking reconciliation module……little cheap systems manage that…..


Re: Priceless ..

It does seem odd that the problem is the banking reconciliation module……it isn’t like accountants always start from the bank.


Developers allow

33% land and planning costs

33% build costs

33% gross margin

Be careful as gross margin then has all the head office and insurance costs taken from it so IRL you might make 15% if everything goes swimmingly.

In construction there is always risk - things like the out of control materials and labour inflation we saw two years ago. Impossible to budget for that. Subcontractors going bust and leaving a part finished mess behind.

New solvent might end winter charging blues for EV owners


Re: Pardon moi?

I have a Tesla X and know the engineering is awful.

However, Tesla charging infrastructure is really very good.

But I would carry a long extension cable and a collection of adaptors for commando plugs…..just in case!

Missed expectations, zero guidance: Tesla's 'great year' was anything but


Re: FSD on old Hardware

I’ give Tesla the option.

- wave the charge now; or

- I’ll pay you and send you the county court paperwork and you can argue it out in front of a judge.

Oddly they always wave the charges.

Do you think they have something to hide?

Post Office boss unable to say when biz knew Horizon could be remotely altered


Re: Just think about this for a minute

He didn't strike me as being the right calibre of person to be leading a substantial business unit.

I wouldn't hire him.

He did not impress.


The issue is that there was no 'single source of truth' which is fundamental to any systems veracity.

Fujitsu employees were going in and altering all of the records presumably by SUing a the postmaster using SU privileges.

However, the underlying systems is so bad that it didn't track the SUs.

Nothing in the system can be trusted at all as anything can have been happening including syphoning monies off.

The other major issue here is that Post Office appear to have engaged in will full data mass destruction.

Lets hope that the forgotten backups on the old servers that have been found contain relevant data.

The next question is who were PO's bankers in this period?

Were the suspense accounts real physical accounts somewhere. If so the bank could well have the historical data in its data barns.


Re: Compensation?

PO had dreadful accounting and I find it amazing they were ever signed off TBH.

There were massive suspense account balances £10’s millions which is why, I stairs AIB stopped the cash points deal. I think they were getting done!

That would be interesting evidence.

There was an extraordinary bit of evidence as to how PO wrote off these massive balances.

The auditors are not covered in glory.

Fujitsu wins flood contract extension despite starring in TV drama about its failures


Re: Horizon

Exactly so.

Also the ability to falsify the audit trail - as the logins appeared to be the poor old postmaster. That sounds a lot like conspiracy to defraud and false accounting to me.

Philips recalls 340 MRI machines because they may explode in an emergency


Re: If you aren't full of shrapnel you will probably suffocate


I was upgrading an NMR room in a very well known UK university.

It was a 7.4T magnet.

We had to deliberately quench it before moving it downstairs.

Power resistor box connected…..safety?

Tech from manufacturers merely opened the windows and said stand back.

The funniest thing was the panic in everyone’s faces at the intense smell of burning. The room had cooled so much that the electric heater (it wasn’t an inverter) in the a/c unit had come in and was burning all the dust. In those days NMR machines used kW to run themselves and their computer systems so heating g was never needed in that room.

Bright spark techie knew the drill and used it to install a power line, but couldn't outsmart an odd electrician


Re: Other folks' DIY

Oh plumbers do what they want…..I’ve got to do it for my job mate…..cut through 3/4 of a joist….no other way…..translation that is all I can be bothered to do.

Not once but twice I’ve been standing on staircases thinking they are a bit springy…..first time 4” joists cut to fit a 2” waste pipe…..second time 3” hardwood joists cut to fit central heating pipes in a historic house.

Post Office Horizon Inquiry calls for compensation to be brought forward


I don't love lawyers.


In this case if a group of investors had not funded the lawyers that actually proved the PO were lying scumbags then justice would never have been done at all.

All the follow on money goes to the victims and not the lawyers.


I totally agree with Sir Wyn - these people whose lives were destroyed need to be put back where they were before this happened as a matter of urgency. Then they need to be compensated for the criminal actions on top of that.

It is mystery to me why people have not been arrested for their criminal behaviour in carrying out malicious prosecution.

The Post Office prosecutors *knew* the behaviour was malicious as they had been told that by their own barrister. Unfortunately, he couldn't remember who he told that to precisely.

Whilst I am sure that, Met Police style, a lot of embarrassing files have 'been locked in a cupboard' this is going to unravel at some point in time.

I just hope it is soon as some people really do deserve some jail time for this and the longer this is spun out, which it will be, then the less chance of the guilty being fit to stand trial or to be given the prison time they so richly deserve.

Rest in peace, Queen Elizabeth II – Britain's first high-tech monarch


Re: "the availability on ARPANET of the Coral 66 compiler provided by the GEC 4080 computer "

Oddly the problem was the two mechanically coupled radar scanners.

One at the tail and on in the nose.

This seems pretty sensible at first glance.

Even more sensible that the scanners were linked by a drive shaft so they were perfectly in sync. Calibrate on the ground and you get no out of sync ghosts etc.

The system worked really well on the ground.

When airborne the system was dreadful. Multiplicity of ghost images which overloaded the processing.

Why was this?

Well the mechanical scanners weighted 100’s of kg and when subjected to any mild G forces the connecting, very long, coupling shaft was subjected to a lot of torque so twisted and the scanners went out of sync.

Out of sync there were loads of ghost images -> system overload….

You've stolen the antiglare shield on that monitor you've fixed – they say the screen is completely unreadable now


Re: corroded traces

I did the same with a Bosch dishwasher.

You do have to wonder why as part of the pretest, before bulk manufacturing a PCB, they don’t run it and have a look with an IR camera?

I reinforced the tracks with some nice thick solid copper soldered onto the PCB.

It went on to do another 7 years of dishwashing.

Electric fastback fun: Now you can surf the web from the driving seat of your Polestar 2


Re: Cue the anti-moving work-around in 3, 2, 1...

You can buy a wiring loom plugin that disabled the brake signal to the head unit.

US watchdog opens probe into Tesla's Autopilot driver assist system after spate of crashes


Re: A solution looking for a problem

I've got a Tesla X and it is interesting to see what the systems miss.

Various silly things happen with automated braking when it is not needed.

The steering bins out even with a solid while line painted down the side of the road.

It is far from foolproof.

The ONLY feature that I use is the auto distance control - I never let it near the steering. That way I am alert to the situational information.

Like the build quality of the bodywork it is all very ish.

It is a shame because the platform underneath it is actually very, very good.

Subcontractors working on CityFibre's £45m Derby rollout threaten to 'rip up tarmac' in dispute over payments


Re: Rip it up and start again.

The only reasons to move away from VM are upstream bandwidth and reliability. Nether of which are great with VM.


1) Covid shutting down suppliers, manufacturers and container ports around the world.

Some truth in this but now overplayed

2) Brexit - both the obvious, and also suppliers building up stocks for the 2 Brexit "deadlines" that came and went, in case of post-Brexit shortages, which led to price falls due to over-supply, so then Covid lockdowns gave a lot of people the chance to do a lot more DIY than usual at lower prices than usual, so the warehouses emptied and couldn't easily be refilled.

A fallback excuse if I ever heard one.

3) the Ever-Given stranding causing delays to other shipping.

It was a massive ship but it seems to have got 100x bigger and being used as a handy excuse by everyone.

4) HS2 getting first dibs on UK imports.

Another handy excuse but that is not the way the supply chain works.

There are not using bagged cement to HS2!! It all comes from a batching plant.

From what I've been told, there is not going to be a return to normal across the materials supply industry for a long time to come.

Let me rephrase that for you.

"From what I've been told, there is not going to be a return to normal across the materials supply industry until either the supplies have made ludicrous profits and/or the CMA and EU starting fining the bejesus out the suppliers."



There is no real shortage of concrete. We have a national account with a major producer and we get whatever quantity we want delivered at a few days notice.

I am afraid it is blatant market manipulation. There is a shortage of bagged cement that small sites use but that is down to slow supplies to builders merchants.

The steel prices increases are also opportunistic and everyone else is pilling in to have a bit of it.

Time for the CMA to start looking into it.

As far as ripping up tarmac once it is down: that would be criminal damage.

Inventor of the graphite anode – key Li-ion battery tech – says he can now charge an electric car in 10 minutes


Re: There still remains......

I agree.

I rarely charge my Tesla on the Super Chargers even though I have lifetime free charging with the car.

Mostly it trickle charges on the lamppost outside my house which does 5.5kW or at the office where I can get 7kW or 22kW at our warehouse.

Honestly provided you are not the kind of person who runs a car until the fuel light comes on you will be fine with an EV.

The trick is just to trickle charge it whenever there is an opportunity and keep say 100 miles charge on it so if you need to you can get to a Super Charger and then zoom down the motorway to the next Super Charger.

Wyoming powers ahead with Bill Gates-backed sodium-cooled nuclear generation plant


Re: To Bad...


What they are actually talking about is using Sodium (Na) as the primary coolant to transfer the heat for storage to molten common salt as (NaCl).

I do have a chemistry PhD so I do understand the difference.

I would be interested to see what the isotope decay cascade is like on the molten salt side of this as the sodium does have an irradiated and decay cascade that will effectively radioactively transfer to the salt over time. So the salt will potentially become 'dirty'.

The main issue us dow chemically clean the salt is. So how many unusual decay cascades get started off.

This is not a simple problem. Unless the NaCl has been fractionally crystallised a few times to get it very pure. But then it won't be cheap tonnage chemical.....

Tesla owners win legal fight after software update crippled older Model S batteries


Re: Carbon neutral

I used my Tesla X LongRange to tow a 2,000kg digger (electric too as it happens the other day).

Performance is surprisingly unaffected.

Battery range is about half.

I used to have a Discovery4 and the range was less affected by towing.

I think this is more aerodynamics and four extra tyres than anything else.

Broadband plumber Openreach yanks legacy copper phone lines in Suffolk town of Mildenhall en route to getting the UK on VoIP


OMG - El Reg: this is a tech journal

Another El Rag article confusing the basics.

This one confuses the withdrawal of POTS with withdrawal of copper.

Not the same thing at all.

39 Post Office convictions quashed after Fujitsu evidence about Horizon IT platform called into question


Re: why did they uphold judgement on the 3 staff members?

Oh I agree totally.

Given how very malicious PO’s actions have been **everything** needs to be assumed as being dubious.

As the 39’s convictions appear to have been obtained by a mix of perjury and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. Any evidence given by those same PO prosecution team individuals has to be of doubtful value.


Re: The question of compensation

Yes, they have a claim under the Corporate Manslaughter Act.

Or more precisely once they have proved manslaughter getting compensation should be straightforward.

Normally this would be styled by insurers but I suspect PO will have used its Crown status to self insure.

Give it

a) has a reverse burden of proof; and

b) PO have admitted what they have done

There should be a lot of good lawyers prepared to help on a no win no fee basis.


Re: System Failure

I agree it should have been obvious to PO.

But PO were not interested in anything that conflicted with their narrative “Horizon is perfect”.


The duplicated lines should be pretty easy to find. Most audit/accounting software has a function to scan for those as it is a favoured way of fraudsters to do things by reposting the same invoice a few times.

I am guessing that is what Second Sight spotted early on and also the trails of people logging into to manually adjust the duplicated lines.

It would not have taken a genius to spot this as it would not have accorded with the keystroke records from the terminals.

Further you might well have had reboot/login/logout timings from the syslog to then compare to where the errors showed up.....if I am getting the gist of how this system worked.

Kudos to Second Sight and the relevant barrister for having stood up to this and called it out. But also Kudos to the civil claim lawyers who proved that PO and Fujitsu were up to no good.


Because their convictions were not based on Horizon evidence.

So stated the Court.


Re: Cowards and Liars

"The legal profession comes out on top, as usual, £46m of legal fees which eats up most of the compensation, that should be refunded 100%."

You will rarely hear me defend legal bill but I will break the habit of a lifetime.

If it had not been for the legal team that pursued this in a Civil claim and won most of the evidence would never have seen the light of day.

Once the evidence was there in the Civil claim and a High Court Judge had seen it and said it all hung together then it set off the Criminal Review Board to put this in front of the High Court for the Criminal convictions to be quashed. Which then rapidly were.

Significantly the way they were quashed also opens the possibility for more compensation for those wrongly convicted. So yes the lawyers had £46m but they took on the PO, with close to infinite state resources, who threw every trick in the book at obfuscating the process, as the Judge noted quite acidly.

HMG has admitted that it will be paying out a lot of money and will stand behind the bill. So hopefully that gets resolved. I suspect it will get resolved sooner rather then later as it is the only way to shut of the stench.

I would rather focus effort on the prosecution of the PO's/Fujitsu's perjury, persecution teams.


Re: System Failure

Part of the problem was that the union, who should have properly questioned this didn't.

If you listen to the BBC investigation it does go into why this was.

I am not a great union lover but this is exactly the kind of area where a properly organised union should be working for its members to engage the expertise necessary to defend them. And this is a proper function of a union to protect its members from malicious activity.

It should have been relatively obvious to a union that either their members had got 100x more dishonest than before or that something was very, very wrong.


Re: Perjury?


If you are given advice by your lawyer that what you are doing is illegal you cannot then run the defence line "I didn't know", "I was confused", "I didn't have proper advice".

A barrister has a particular duty, as a Servant of the Court, to disclose these things. Hence why that came out.

Post Office not only had their own barrister tell them to stop they also had Second Sight tell them to stop. What is very, very unusual here is that we have the internal track on who knew what when was rotten. So we know from two high quality sources that the Post Office **knew** what they were doing was wrong.

This makes it a Clear Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice as the Post Office prosecutors, managers and directors had an obligation to appraise the Court of these relevant facts.


Re: And still...

But at least one poor soul did commit suicide as a result of this.

Therefore they are in the neck lock of the Corporate Manslaughter.

It is a reverse burden of proof.

Post Office had a duty of care: they didn’t care.

Openreach out and hike prices on legacy fixed-line products: Broadband plumber pulls trigger after Ofcom gives the nod


I appreciate that nobody at El Reg understand broadband delivery. You know it is only a tech journal so why would you expect it to be better fact checked than the Daily Fail?

Here goes.....

“ including FTTC and copper”

But FTTC is delivered over copper.

“Price protection on FTTP is not expected to kick in.....”

On the low tier FTTP products up to 40/10 are price protected

“Citing an example of ADSL via a DSLAM versus a more modern fibre to the cabinet”

FTTC is provisioned from a DSLAM connected via the PCP - so the comment makes zero sense as it stands and is quite misleading. Is this perhaps a muddle with the next paragraph where he is talking about the DSLAM in the exchange provisioning ADSL?

As a fine point you can provision 24/1 (sold as 18/1 the equivalent of good ADSL2+) quite easily from an FTTC DSLAM so perhaps this is what this muddle means? But then the two paragraphs make even less sense.

Ex-asylum seeker with infosec degree loses discrimination claim against UK cyber range provider after storming out


Re: Allegations without consequences

The problem with that is that all the employer has got to do is to engage Messrs Sue, Grabbit & Runne - the most expensive City Solicitors known to mankind . The employer then shares their rate card with the potential claimant along with an estimate of a gazillion billable hours.

Claimant doesn’t have gazillion x squillion so folds.

Case won by another form of intimidation.

I’m an employer BTW so I know well how the system is abused and have had bogus claims from a ‘cancer sufferer’ who made a remarkable recovery - evidence including an unsecured Word letter from the hospital - outrageously the hospital would not confirm if the letter was genuine due to ‘patient confidentiality’. The whole thing was bullshit but you couldn’t quite prove it.

I’ve had another claim relating to a Polish labourer who ‘hurt himself’ on site. He went to see a private doctor on Sunday and had a private MRI that afternoon. The MRI company invoice had clearly been altered - the MRI company would not confirm the invoice was genuine again citing patient confidentiality. Issue was it was a VAT invoice that had been presented to us for payment (we didn’t) so we had an absolute right to know if it was genuine under VAT regs. Reported it to HMRC - they did nothing.

I could go on and on but there are plenty of bent schemes run to fleece employers and their insurers. Nobody will do anything about it.

Copper broadband phaseout will leave UK customers with higher bills and less choice, says comparison site



Where do I start taking this article apart.

The author has NO clue what he is writing about and has conflated a lot of the basics.

@ Authour FYI this is a tech journal - you do know that: right?

So here goes

Howler 1)

"The bold claims came as Openreach gradually phases out sales of copper-based broadband and phone products ahead of a nationwide stop-sell order in 2023, and a forecasted withdrawal of the copper network by 2025."

This was never the case.

The author has confused the 2025 date which related to POTS -> VoIP with the stop sell and/or forced migration of broadband -> FTTP this is being trialled in Salisbury and there is NO announced national date for this. And in any case the FTTP network would not nearly be ready nationally for this to happen at that point in time.

Howler 2) "Hill-Haimes noted that customers wishing to move superfast (FTTC) services after the copper stop-sell deadline will be forced to upgrade to FTTP, although this doesn't necessarily mean connections would cost more."

Where FTTP is available then FTTP is the price regulated product for lower social tiers. So the price might well be cheaper for FTTP than FTTC.

Howler 3) "But curiously omitted from Compare Fibre's claims was the fact that legacy all-copper subscriptions have shrunk year-on-year over the past eight years, while adoption of FTTP has accelerated. According to TalkTalk's 2020 annual report [PDF] [PDF], nearly 78 per cent of its consumer base were using a fibre connection (across FTTP and FTTC). Moreover, 85 per cent of new customers opted for fibre, and the majority bought high-speed (80Mbps+) products."

The only way you can arrive at this amazing misconstruction of the facts is to confuse FTTC/GFast/VM all called "Fibre" by their respective sellers with FTTP Full Fibre......The only thing that has in fact shrunk over 8 years is ADSL and that is mostly ADSL -> FTTC migration.....GFast didn't exist 8 years ago.....FTTC was growing strongly until about 18 months ago.....VM has also grown but it is impossible to pick apart if full fibre offering from its coaxial offering as they don't break the figures down.

I mean really there must be someone in El Reg who understand this stuff properly? Surely? It is not hard. Maybe even ask Mark Jackson or Andrew Ferguson if in doubt.

Going underground with Scaleway's Apple M1-as-a-Service: Mac Minis descend into Paris nuclear bunker


Re: Not so much fallout shelter

Actually you are correct. I design this stuff as part of my day job.

It is a waste of time trying to make concrete perfectly waterproof: you can't. And even if you did movement will make sure it is not perfectly watertight after a while.

So cavity drained membrane systems are used to guide the water away to a sump where it can be pumped out. The membrane also provides a vapour control layer that concrete fundamentally cannot do.

You aim to make it pretty watertight such that the inflows are controllable and a tiny % of the capacity of the pumps used.

Negative Trustpilot review of law firm Summerfield Browne cost aggrieved Briton £28k


Re: One Star Review

It is funny you say that but I run an online operation that sells paint and various hardware goodies. During lockdown #1 we were one of few places you could order paint online.

I did a good few stints on customer services and discovered the following:-

1) we were called liars for saying packaging was hard to come by; it was absurdly hard to get some kinds of paint can packing.

2) we were roundly abused for saying we were unable to supply certain colours; Dulux and Crown had run out actually of cans!

3) one customer ordered 3 x 750ml cans of paint - we sent a 2.5l of the identical product for less money (we refunded some) as we had the can and packaging to hand. Customer got it 24hrs on order - we had done wrong.

Sometimes it is close to impossible to keep everyone happy all the time no matter how much effort, honesty and integrity you apply.

And that is before the best efforts of DPD and APC are applied to smash the consignments up!

Cats: Not a fan favourite when the critters are draped around an office packed with tech


Ah Tonkinese.

I know exactly what you mean.

We had three at one stage.

We used to have a giant CRT TV in a cabinet. Cats loved to sit on it. Replaced the CRT with a flat screen and the boy jumped up over it and fell down the back: it was incredibly funny.

UK on track to miss even its slashed full-fibre gigabit coverage goals, warn MPs


Re: Fibre for local people

Identifying copper line faults is a labour intensive art. It can be science but that requires high levels of aptitude and resining ability.

FTTP actually makes a lot of this go away. As you can remote test the whole thing. As it is digital it either works or it doesn’t work.

The purpose of FTTP is to increase customer satisfaction and cut OPEX. You don’t need an army of engineers fooling around recrimping old joints.

Exonerated: First subpostmasters cleared of criminal convictions in Post Office Horizon scandal


I would suggest writing to the HSE and asking for a corporate manslaughter investigation, reference the suicides, and copy CPS if you feel that strongly about it.

PO will have a reverse burden of proof. They will have to demonstrate that they took responsible steps to mitigate any harms to the individuals. Otherwise they are guilty and the Directors then face jail time. You cannot push the burden downwards onto some poor H&S sod.

The Met are too thick to be able to investigate this: not that it is difficult mind. And as it is perjury by a public body won't be interested either: they wouldn't want to disrupt their own daily perjury.

It should be really easy to list out what was withheld from which proceedings and when: for goodness sakes the Judges have flagged most of this already.

Then all you need to do is talk to Second Sight (who investigated and documented this for PO) who knew about this and when.

Then go backwards through their emails.

The thing is not to get bogged down in the outlier cases or trying to understand the whole thing in overview.

Then go in and make it pretty clear that if they dob the Controlling Minds (relevant phrase in Corporate Manslaughter Act) in then they will be fine.

'Massive game-changer for UK altnet industry': BT-owned UK comms backbone Openreach hikes prices on FTTP-linked leased line circuits


Re: This is exactly WHY...

BT's links don't work in this way so no it won't impact BT in that way.

This is about CP's using a relatively cheap domestically aimed product instead of using full links back to the headend.

The 'issue' with this is that using consumer grade terminations as backhaul could well impact other users as you could find a whole building connected to one FTTP connection and so the other 32 people connected to the PON don't get what they expect at all.

In reality this is a very strange thing as for OR to actually tell what is going down the pipe they would need a highly intrusive level of inspection which probably breaks a stack of laws irrespective of what people have signed away.

The bigger problem is how do you tell the difference between two cases

a) you run an office building and get an FFTP connection and split it and supply part of the split to your desks and tenants; or

b) you get an FTTP connection and split it to domestic dwellings.

As OR's burble is written case (a) is OK but case (b) is not OK. Go figure.

AWS admits to 'severely impaired' services in US-EAST-1, can't even post updates to Service Health Dashboard


Re: what a great day

I did read it and wonder too.

However, our experience is that you do get better real performance and save costs with on premises.

We too were pretty much fully cloudy in 2012 and reversed a lot of that.

I agree about the slowdown in CPU speed/power saving. So the rush to upgrade is smaller.

For most larger SME’s a mirror DC can be a closet sized rack with 1U servers. With the growing ubiquity of 1G and 10G FTTP the mirror site does not need to cost fortunes. There is generally a lot of space in existing server rooms as things have shrunk. I just asked around a few other CEO’s I knew and we agreed a mutual zero cost deal.

With a bit of imagination it is all doable.

The trick is to keep the upgrade cycle rolling slowly - no Big Bang must spend gazillion CAPEX this year stuff. That is what sets of Bean Counter Central.....I’m lucky I’m the majority shareholder....

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson pledges £12bn green economy package


Re: OK.

I’m no lover H2 tech, mainly because I can’t see any means of making it cleanly apart from electrolysis. It is hard to describe electrolysis as efficient.

The other downside, because of the way fuel cells work, is that you still need a battery.

However, it is perfectly possible to have H2 electrolysis stations that use off peak electricity to fill a tank with hydrogen.

Worn-out NAND flash blamed for Tesla vehicle gremlins, such as rearview cam failures and silenced audio alerts


Re: Tesla has always operated in a reality distortion field

I have similar experience with SSDs used as change in a high power NAS.

As part of its function it backs up an office with TimeMachine so plenty of cycles.

TBH I thought they would have failed by now: no sign of it.

Hackers rummaged about in Finnish psychotherapy clinic – now patients extorted with public data dump threats


Re: Confuse I be

Maybe not have heard of EAR (Encryption At Rest)?

That should sort these kind of database siphoning attempts.

Ok you need a slightly more powerful processor for dynamic description......

Top doctors slam Google for not backing up incredible claims of super-human cancer-spotting AI


Should never have been published.

Certainly not in Nature!

How was it peer reviewed without the source code? Otherwise this is hocus pocus science at its worst.

Actually unbelievable that it was accepted never mind published. I’d never have got away with that and I’m first named author on 20 papers....


Spot on


Re: Shocked