The sensor issue was the item that finally forced them to scrub the first launch attempt there had been hydrogen leaks earlier during that countdown, and as there had been during wet dress rehearsals at various stages, because yes the connecter/quick disconnect fuelling link is brand new equipment even if its an old technology concept and getting everything to synch and seat properly takes time to tweak
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Re: hard choices
because Starship wont be rated for crew launch by then, its got no in flight abort system, would you sit in that thing ? that so far has managed just the 1 successful landing from 10km without blowing up. theres a world of difference between playing around with explodable steel cans in Texas, and putting people on top of it to launch into space.
I dont agree Shuttle signalled the end of giant throwaway rockets, because it never achieved its reusability design aims and NASA, ESA,Roscosmos have been merrily launching expendable heavy lift rockets without a care for decades since.
It was only when SpaceX perfected Falcon 9 booster landings, which many in the space industry thought was not achievable, that was a game changer, unfortunately SLS was already being constructed by then, and impossible to redesign to deliver that kind of reuse, without it costing twice as much as just allowing SLS to proceed plus it enables them to certify human spaceflight to the moon with HLS much sooner than would be possible on Starship, that's why you use old tech, its proven capabilities.
But it's the last rocket NASA will ever design & build via its contractors, the future is very much hitching rides instead with the new private space companies.
To overcome the technical challenges of what's involved to accomplish it,we learn more about science & technology that could lead to solving many of the challenges we face on Earth, and inspire the next generation, as Apollo did, to become scientists, doctors, engineers and even IT professionals.
A $50bn launch tag sounds horrendous, but in America alone they spend that much on pet food each year, it's half of what they spend on coffee.
The US budget is measured in the trillions of dollars, NASA gets about half a penny of every tax dollar the government gets. It costs an average US household $33 per year to fund NASA, that's equivalent to about 4 and a bit months of Disney +.
Its totally worth it.
Re: Looks like exactly the sort of failure you'd expect from beta firmware
Something of the sort happens multiple times per day every day just on UK roads, and no one cares because we tolerate humans making these life/death mistakes
But put a computer in control and suddenly every demands perfection from it.
If their autopilot system kills or injures only 1 % less people on the roads than now, its actually an improvement
Re: Federal Aviation Authority ?
Its complicated because there are tons of rules about US registered companies, space tech & launching effectively gigantic V2 rockets, that makes the federal government unhappy if you tried to launch from another country. And SpaceX want a happy federal government so that arms like NASA & the DoD work with them to give them contracts to fly astronauts or satellites on the stuff that's proven from KSC.
None of this report is deal breaking for Boca Chica as a launch development site, most of it is simply be a good neighbor, clean up your trash, dont make a mess stuff, take care of the wildlife. The write a report on the history of the civil war is probably the weirdest requirement theyve got to fulfil.
The rest of it seemed fairly reasonable if just to codify the expectations on SpaceX on how they operate down there.
By the time theyve proven reliable flight capability for the system, the KSC launch facility will be ready and they can swap to that for multiple launch cadence operations.
Re: "a supersonic ballet"
It seems a risky way of perfecting booster return, like this launch encountered a hold of about 10mins, which presumably they add to the helicopters fuel budget, but if the launch window is over several hours,would you want your helicopter recovery service to be the determining point of failing to launch because its low on fuel stuck in the sea? And recycle of fuel is expensive plus adds to your overall launch reuse as theyll only be rated for so many fuelling cycles before you've got to replace it anyway.
Plus as a company with shares trading on the markets, failures become share price affecting which is no doubt why they cut the feed even though we kind of knew the attempt had failed
Re: Clippy behind the wheel
but that probably puts you in the top 1% of drivers who even noticed that and could react to it, after all it was a "human" who was making the dumbass 3 point turn, and a "human" who pulled out of the junction despite not being able to see it was clear.
and what you are demanding from AI is perfection, whilst actually accepting far from perfection from your superior to AI humans you share the roads with currently
there were 1460 people killed in road collisions during 2020, during a Covid imposed national lockdown. thats 4 people per day killed on the UKs roads, whilst most people actually stayed at home. 23,529 killed/seriously injured, 115,584 of all injury severities, all involving superior human driving skills.
if AI reduces those numbers even by a fraction, it will be far superior than humans at driving, even if it never achieves perfection.
well given Roscosmos have issued among some new launch criteria that by itself could have scuppered a launch, that the UK government needs to drop out of Oneweb as a shareholder...I think we can put that in the definitely not happening launch bucket and all commercial Soyuz launches are pretty much over for the forseeable.
Why is it cavalier? Theres no risk to launching their own Starlink satellites and having them "fail" to maintain orbit in this manner, and it absolutely expands SpaceXs knowledge about LEO, geostorms and their Starlink satellite capabilities. That's how we learn stuff you do practical testing and gain real data.
Starlink is as much a testing proving ground for SpaceX rocket engineering, reliability and reusability as it is creating space internet.
And its hilarious really, SpaceX launched Falcon 9 3 times in 3 days, a launch rate record I believe in space history launch terms, successfully landed all the boosters, which have achieved now over 100 successful landings, largely due to Starlink missions And it's so mundane it doesnt even get mentioned anymore,even though less than a decade ago the experts claimed it was impossible.
And yet this is the same tech, the same boosters that launch human crews missions, so would you prefer SpaceX launched Falcon 9s repeatedly and in so doing learn about using their rockets that happen to put some expendable space internet stuff in orbit,or sat around waiting till conditions were absolutely perfect and let the humans take all the risks?
SpaceX Starlink sat streaks now present in nearly a fifth of all astronomical images snapped by Caltech telescope
Re: Great potential for new science!
Jonathan McDowell an astrophysicist at Harvard, has been writing papers,giving talks and simulating the effects of Starlink on astronomy from Earth for some time https://planet4589.org/astro/starsim/index.html and his conclusions match those of these Caltech papers. SpaceX have mitigated the risks of Starlink, changed the designs and engaged with the astronomical community and it wont ultimately be that big an issue at the end of the day.
The problem comes from the other mega constellations being proposed the OneWeb, the Kuiper the SatNet the Sphere.Lots of those have higher or different orbits so will catch more reflection of sunlight for longer in astronomical observations and will be entirely managed by countries who arent that bothered about international cooperation.
But the public have only heard of Starlink, so the press frame the story that Starlink creates a problem.
Leaked footage shows British F-35B falling off HMS Queen Elizabeth and pilot's death-defying ejection
Re: Would suspect the
I remember on the documentary series when the RAF pilots were training to fly it, the planes onboard computer locked them out for some reason, and they spent most of one mornings planned sortie just trying to turn it off and on again, it wasnt a simple bit of kit to operate that's for sure and I can well imagine it automates alot of things, to prevent pilot error.
It was also a satellite filled with hypergolic fuel which posed a significant risk to people & the environment left in an uncontrolled state, so whilst the development of such technology was condemned at the time it was seen as necessary and was done in a way so it minimised the risk to operations in space.
It is on a completely different scale to what the Russians just did, who have not only created more than 1500 potentially lethal to human space flight operations projectiles travelling at orbital speeds , and ruinous to any satellites in its path. But they did it to a satellite whose orbital mechanics intersects with the International Space Station not just putting all existing and future ISS crew at risk, some of whom are Russian, but which could destroy it completely.
Re: So NASA will *never* make it to the Moon
For lots and lots of reasons, SpaceX will never attempt a lunar landing, unless it's part of the NASA lunar landing mission program.
They may well send a Starship to orbit the moon and test out refuelling and things that could be used in a lunar mission ahead of NASA involvement, they certainly want to send a Dragon there, but they wont land ahead of the NASA mission, precisely because it would make congress ask those types of questions of NASA, and it's still vital for SpaceX to maintain a good customer/supplier working relationship with NASA.
It's all largely irrelevant anyway imo as I doubt SpaceX are nearer than 3 years away from attempting such a thing. We've landed a Starship once from 10km, it needs to land 100s if not 1000s of times from orbital velocities before you put people anywhere near riding on top of it. And theres super heavy booster to prove & the on orbit refuelling. Theres alot of work left to do.
Shatner breaks the age barrier, goes where no nonagenarian has gone before with Blue Origin rocket trip
Re: A 10 minutes 17 second ride ...
Unfortunately the Bezos pr machine is more focused on out SpaceXing SpaceX, than explaining the benefits of this kind of stuff, so that even the royals trying to out environment cred each other can take pot shots at it.
Reusable rocket technology, and every successful launch & landing improves its reliability & capabilities, will lead to a massive reduction in the costs to access space, cheaper access to space unlocks science & technology knowledge & opportunities for making the Earth a better place,and solve some of the insolvable problems we face.
These New Shepherd launches are a step on the way to discovery,and bigger things, just like the first forays in aviation history, the Wright brothers or Montgolfiers experiments in flight have led to a global industry of flight that literally saves thousands of peoples lives daily, through better quicker access to emergency healthcare ,medicines,transportation of food and water, fire suppression.
Shatner in his own words has described the fragility of this planet and its environment that is only something you experience in space, you can call it a joyride on a bouncy castle if you like but this IS inspiring a generation to take up STEM topics and make the world a better place.
Re: Strange argument?
True, but I dont think most fans are worried about League One player wages, most players only have careers that span 10-15years, and wont end up on the gravy train of the managers merry go round, tv punditry or making documentaries on their addictions, basically end up in their mid 30s on the dole. It's the ones complaining about not earning the extra 250k per week most feel have lost touch with reality.
So you can see why monetising such data is attractive for lower league players, and theres probably a case to be made that specific health metrics gathered by your club in training with all those sports performance tools & tracking is covered by GDPR and shouldn't at all be traded between clubs without the individuals consent, whether it intrinsically has value to be paid for is another matter and I doubt it has any beyond the impact transfer value of the player.
But just standard in game metrics captured like goals scored, passes completed, bookings I dont think that's at all something that would be covered by this, the player literally provides informed consent by stepping onto the field of play in front of a potentially global audience. I dont think you can claim a right to privacy of that kind of stuff.
You get more than few warnings you can just click ignore on though, I do my mums food shopping and just to transfer less than £100 between our accounts at regular intervals, you have to present access codes and then have more codes texted to you.everytime, plus follow all the warnings clicking you agree, and if you login via a different computer/ip address, it resets your security to basically you must hacking the account level and go through even more painful authentication.
So how the flip they transferred 30k with no red flags, or questions asked, hell even 20 years ago I couldnt shift that much money between bank accounts without a solicitors legal letter that was checked for authenticity, authorising that kind of payment.
So I feel there might be important information missing in this case, probably so as not to assist anyone along with similar scams
...but just civilians, not in the employ of the government or the military, they still trained for months for this mission, had to learn the procedures, the emergency drills, do the simulator training and will be carrying out experiments that contribute to human knowledge of space, just go watch the Netflix series on it.
To label them as "amateurs" simply for not being paid to do this as a job, is as bad as the sniping between Blue Origin & Virgin imo.
Call them commercial astronauts, call them private astronauts even call them citizen astronauts if you must, just dont call them amateurs.
You are aware of this thing called Starlink? another batch launched this morning where Falcon 9 is really learning the reliability & reusability stuff with a 90th successful booster landing.
That alone cuts the costs of launching stuff into space and where you make big profits by not having to rebuild your launch vehicle every time,and that's before you start to capture the commercial benefits of providing broadband from space.
Re: Humanoid bots
Boston Dynamics robot spot dog,has been used by SpaceX for months,who nick named it Zeus.
It's not a great leap of tech from dog shape to human shape.
Yes Musks timelines are always optimistic, but he is the epitome of shoot for the moon and even if you miss you'll land among the stars, he pushes people to think nothing is impossible, and sometimes they do achieve impossible things.
Which is alot better than the if we cant do it litigious style blocking approach his competitors favour.
Boots on Moon in 2024? NASA OIG says you better moonwalk away from that date, because suits ain't ready
Re: Nasa priority
In fairness it was remarks made by a NASA communications rep, who no doubt does think the sole purpose of spending 86billion dollars on the program is just to put the first woman or first person of color bootprints on the surface of the moon as the main priority.
The people working on the program who will be a mix of people of color, women and yes white men, might well think differently about its aims being more scientific and long term space exploration is the main priority and that the best people for the role to land on the moon will be selected regardless of gender or race backgrounds.
And if it does happen to be a woman or person of color then theyll be selected because they demonstrated they were the best candidate.
As we can see as the latest Cygnus resupply to the ISS mission craft named in honour of Ellison Onizuka because 35 years ago NASA picked people of colour and women to send into space, because they were the best of us all.
Hubble, Hubble, toil and trouble: NASA pores over moth-eaten manuals ahead of switch to backup hardware
Re: Sounds Like...
Incredibly risky mission for the astronauts even with Shuttle, its multiple times riskier now, it's something Starship is probably more capable of than Dragon eventually,but I think youd struggle to even get through the hatch of Dragon in a shuttle style space suit to begin with. Let alone "capture" the telescope in a safe manner that astronauts on EVAs could work on it.
Look it's done 30+ years of service, it was only designed to do 15, if you compare it to ground based telescopes the costs/science actually Hubble is a poor choice now, but it's pretty pictures capture the public imagination so it gets cited way more often as delivering that special science dividend,when we are learning more about the universe from stuff sitting on tops of mountains.
Let them try to fix it if they cant just accept it's done its job and move on, the James Webb telescope though not a direct replacement by any means launches in October assuming ESA can resolve the cargo fairings issue.
EE and Three mobe mast surveyors might 'upload some virus' to London Tube control centre, TfL told judge
'Biggest data grab' in NHS history stuffs GP records in a central store for 'research' – and the time to opt out is now
Re: Get your tin foil hat on!
Yes I remember filling in what they called workplace pulse surveys that were badged as completely anonymous so you should feel safe to answer open & honestly your thoughts & feelings on your work environment,even though TPHB had lists of those that didnt fill them in.
But you had to fill in your gender and age for some kind of diversity in the workplace profiling.
Well when you were the only 30 year old woman filling in a survey in the workplace and your gender/age range made up about 1% of the company's workforce, you didnt need to wear a tinfoil hat to recognise you were instantly very identifiable if people chose to look at the data in certain subsets.
Whilst I doubt US companies will get upto any nefariousness with this medical data as I'm sure the NHS partners with plenty of UK ones who are more than competent of doing that themselves, whilst also accidentally leaving backups of it on trains, or with back doors on databases held on the internet, it's not going to be anonymous data and that alone should raise red flags to people concerned about their rights to privacy
Re: Coming in high
The whole flight seemed to be shorter in length,but the cloud layer and the glitchy onboard video made it difficult to see when the flip happened to compare with previous flights.
And it was fairly windy at ground level 18-22knots, I'm not surprised the targeting was a bit off but how insane is this stuff that the general publics/media reaction to something roughly the height of Nelson's column,or 4 london double decker buses stacked on top of each other to use El Regs standard sizes, launches as a rocket 10km up in the air and then successfully lands relocated to a landing pad is led by well it didnt blow up.
Are we so used to something like this tech now which for decades was pure science fiction,that it doesnt even excite people when it works.
What on earth are they going to make of it when NASA launches their SLS and the thing just falls in the Indian Ocean taking 4 hugely expensive and historic rocket motors with it.
Lego's Space Shuttle Discovery: No trouble with Hubble, but the stickers will drive a grown man to insanity
Re: "The Register asked Lego to comment"
Im not sure as the silver bricks in my set had the exact same scratches, same angle,same size on every brick, its got to be a manufacturing defect,though Im not that fussed about it its not noticeable from a distance arguably it creates a pattern effect since they are so uniformly scractched and you can put it down to weathering from micro meteorites.
Re: SpaceX have turned rocket science into Spaghetti Engineering
the Space Shuttle cost an estimated 300-400million dollars per launch, SpaceX charge 62million dollars to launch Falcon 9 commercially. divide by max payload capacity for LEO as that was the average mission target for Shuttle, and Shuttle costs just under 14000 dollars per kg, Falcon 9 costs just under 3000 dollars per kg.
but then is it even worth debating numbers with people who think you can turn Solid Rocket Boosters on and off again.?
Ticker tape and a binary message: Bank of England's new Alan Turing £50 must be the nerdiest banknote ever
Re: Does anyone bother with £50?
it is, but Ive only held one personally in cash in 30 years,and I wouldnt even know what the current one is supposed to look like without looking it up online. I havent even held any notes or used a cash machine for over a year now, so it seems abit meaningless all told
Hero to Jezero: Perseverance, NASA's most advanced geologist rover, lands on Mars, beams back first pics
The hardware isnt the issue,its nuclear battery should keep it powered up for at least 14-17 Earth years, these timescales they quote are always about the budget allocated to maintain mission control ops on it to run the primary science objectives, its not wow look it was only meant to last for 30 Martian sols and it's amazing to be running to 31+, its engineered to survive launch, inter planetary travel and a 10g reentry at 5km per second that gives it a fair bit of long term resilience by default, so of course it will last more than 30 Martian sols, but it has to have money behind it to keep extending the mission duration to run it.And remember they have to keep the tech & software here that runs it static & operational for the length of time the mission then lasts as well. Cassini operations was literally being run by a classic mid 90s spec PC to communicate with it,because modern PCs just ran the code too quickly to handle the data properly.
Re: "can't access state health departments on Facebook"
No most people dont have Facebook accounts, even optimistic estimates in tech savvy places like the UK have only 44percent reach and that doesnt account for all the ghost/fake/cat accounts that exist. Somewhere like Australia certainly isnt Facebook or Google world, why the politicians, who clearly dont understand how the internet works,should want Facebook & Google to fund news organisations is down to the reader to work out themselves
Future astronauts at risk of heart attacks, strokes if radiation allowed to ravage their cardiovascular health
Re: Belted up
Are you kidding me ? What is it only roughly 5 years since their first successful booster landing after nearly 60 years of spaceflight,landing which is now so mundane and routine it isnt even reported on, and you are giving them grief that an experimental prototype which has only launched & flown twice using brand new types of rocket engines,cant quite instantly nail a successful landing yet,even though its comparable in size to the Space Shuttles external tank and attempting stuff never done before.
Starship will get people safely to Mars
Re: "so they stuck to the extant rules for the launch"
Not necessarily remember SN8 launched,very publically,December 9th. So we are saying the FAA started an investigation straight away but only notified SpaceX of it or this licensing problem that prevented a launch nearly 6 weeks later,as SpaceX didnt seem to be aware there were any problems,which was then all resolved within a matter of days,without SpaceX seemingly having changed,or only changed a little, the public protection protocols theyd been using...plus the fact they launched directly in violation it would appear of the FAA has then been quietly forgotten.
Maybe the FAA have felt under pressure since their Boeing 737Max oversight to be seen as more a regulatory body flexing its power, than a mere rubber stamp.
There's no 'I' in Teams so Microsoft issues 6-month warning for laggards still on Skype for Business Online
Whilst Skype for business might be hard to love it at least did what it was designed to do well,and not try and do a hundred other things you dont need poorly and in so doing compromise the functionality of its core functions.
Teams is typical MS bloatware, it's like that swiss army pen knife that comes with 83 functions when all you needed was a pocket knife. it kills performance on most work laptops because generally businesses dont splash out buying top of the range kit with ooodles of memory and cpu to cope with it. It crashes, it buffers video making even the smallest of group video calls painful to watch,(of course whilst at home everyone blames that on their broadband). Its messaging system is like someone went back to the 90s and plucked some badly put together text only messaging via email service but thought people just want to share amusing animated gifs instead, not you know actually have a quick instant chat. It has a complicated file system and grouping system and a bunch of stuff that literally seems to be just MS trying to have an app for every eventuality
I can only assume it gets picked up by CIOs blinded by MS saying how wonderful it is to have everything in one behemoth application because they never actually use it for real.
SpaceX Starship blows up on landing, Elon Musk says it's the data that matters and that landed just fine
Re: proved it can do everything that SpaceX has claimed it would be able to do
Well yes, iirc Musks 1 in 3 chance of success came with a near guarantee it would result in rapid unscheduled disassembly at some point.
That it achieved everything bar the landing successfully IS a great success,and theyve got all the data they needed from it, 63 years ago this week the US,because NASA hadnt even been invented then, couldn't even get a rocket half the height & a fraction of the weight off the launch pad without it exploding.
I think people get too distracted by the pretty fireworks and take it for granted rockets can even attempt to land.
Happy birthday to the Nokia 3310: 20 years ago, it seemed like almost everyone owned this legendary mobile
Re: I'll See Your 33xx and Lower You
Plus 1 for the 5110, this week my phone will mostly be wearing a red cover :)
I wonder if the 33xx was more the corporate hand out phone,istr lots of people had them as work phones at the time,so hence why they get remembered as iconic, whilst those of us paying for them ourselves went for the more stylish, and cheaper,options :)
BT: 'Because of the existing underlying supply of the 4G equipment, most of our 5G (NSA) so far is with Huawei'
Because policies on health are best handled under specific health legislation, not under trade legislation, we dont specify how many non EU tomatoes can be sourced under a bill to build new hospitals. It was a wrecking amendment designed purely so the opposition could then shout on about how awful the government were for voting against it and not protecting the NHS
and therefore clearly selling it to the highest bidder, just like they did with their nurses pay amendment and most of the people shouting loudest about how awful it was think legislation is designed just like voting on some social media poll.
The NHS doesnt have to be protected within trade legislation for it not to be on the table when discussing trade.
Apollo 13 set off into space 50 years ago today. An ignored change order ensured it did not make it to the Moon...
Re: Lucky 13
not really the case at all, foam had fallen off the external tank since the Space Shuttles first launch, coincidentally was 39 years ago this past weekend, and what should have then been recorded as a fault, that got fixed and the Shuttle grounded till it was fixed properly, fell into launch & mission fever and accepted process as just one of those things that happened during a launch, and as launches happened successfully they used that as a reason to continue to ignore the foam shedding problem when it kept happening, any of the prior 112 launches to the loss of Columbia could have resulted in the same outcome had a foam strike hit the leading edge.
Re: despite every audience member knowing how things will play out,
you say that, but actually the one thing this movie/documentary does bring home in spades is the tension of the moment those people were in at the time it was happening, those people you are seeing on the film didnt know how it would turn out, they were living the moment not acting it, knowing the risks, knowing the enormity of the fact no-one had done this before, so you do feel their emotion and the tenseness of the key moments and the relief when it works, they knew how big a risk they were taking, which I think in the post Apollo11 era, hey everything worked a charm why were worried, we forget how crazy an idea it was to strap people to a Saturn V rocket and send them off to the moon and do this stuff. You literally see how rudimentary & flimsy the lunar module was, it visibly flexes just under reaction control thrusts, its made of baco foil, and we sent people to the moon in it.
I was sitting there at the end through the re-entry part,which is incredibly moving, and thinking my god I know they made it, unless Ive slided into some weird alternate universe, but this is actually worse than watching Apollo 13 in realtime, because again the footage you are watching, no one can predict the future of whats happening, they are reacting to events.
I dont believe the next lunar mission will ever launch with only a 50/50 chance of success which are the best odds they had at launch of coming home for Apollo 11
see it in IMAX, get immersed in it, it wont be the same on the small screen
Re: Less Daily Mail please ...
The Equifax breach was discovered in July 2017,it had been leaking details since May 2017 (at least),so it took 'months' to notice it was happening and a further month to bother telling anyone.A year later and we still haven't quite got the full detail released. It's not unreasonable or Daily Mail style to describe Equifaxs approach to reporting the breach as taking 'months'.
Re: it's up, but doesn't work
But it's spoilers isn't it, it isn't like the old days of films anymore where the big plot twist OMG moment gets spoiled just by Homer Simpson walking past the queue,thesedays it will be across all social media/interweb etc etc after the first midnight screening,you'd have to banish yourself to Skellig Michael to miss it till you got to see the film.
That said I don't recall much difficulty booking a ticket for a lunchtime screening of TFA on release day maybe only week or so before. So yeah overreaction but I can understand why it happened