* Posts by The Travelling Dangleberries

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Top Linux distros drop fresh beats

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Re: Style is optional

@Anonymous Coward

"As useful as just clicking and dragging?"

More so,because I do not have to hit the narrow borders on the edges of windows that most GUIs I have used in the recent past seem to think are a good idea.

Hand-eye co-ordination tend to get worse as you age. Clicking at the right moment once the mouse cursor has changed to "resize" mode becomes quite difficult on bad days. With Alt Right-Mouse-Click you can click "inside" the window and drag to resize without having to hit that thin resize zone on the edge of the window and click at the right moment.

This kind of problem just shows how of little importance today's UI or should I say UX designers place on the needs of older people. Shit like having to mouse over things to try to find where the feckin' scrollbar has gone or to find the drop down menu that then disappears just as you have located the thing you want to click on.

So yes, for older people like me Alt Right-Mouse-Click has its place.

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Re: Style is optional

@Anonymous Coward

"XFCE is indeed horrible and needs a huge amount of configuring, customisation and hacking to get it remotely useable. Resize window anyone?"

I find dragging using Alt Right-Mouse-Click very useful when resizing windows.

I generally find that defaults chosen by LinuxMint for their XFCE desktops, such as dark themes, modern looking icons etc to be displeasing. But a few mouse clicks including re-creating the RISC OS placement of window buttons (close, minimise, maximise) and installing tango-icon-theme does the trick here.

I got used to having the primary panel at the top a la MacOSX as I started with eeebuntu which used Gnome 2 and had the panel at the top. Which was, at the time useful if you connected an external monitor with the eeepc screen as primary.

While it is possible to get RISC OS button placements under MATE the last time I tried it was only possible from the CLI. XFCE allows you to place window buttons in any order from the GUI.

IBM pauses advertising on X after ads show up next to antisemitic content

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Re: That's rich.

Posted by the person who has never owned a VW or a vehicle made by GM and has never been treated with products made by Bayer and does not drink Fanta?

YouTube cares less for your privacy than its revenues

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Re: Supply-chain Control

Vivaldi and FreeTube fix some of these supply-chain issues here.

Miscreants leak texts and info siphoned by Android stalkerware app LetMeSpy

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Re: someone obtained "unauthorized access"

"...And the ladies in the cloakroom

Take no notice of me..."

YouTube's 'Ad blockers not allowed' pop-up scares the bejesus out of netizens

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DuckDuckGo might be your friend...

Or search for videos via DuckDuckGo and watch them from the DuckDuckGo results page. No ads. Just don't click into YouTube at the end of videos. I tend to use yt-dlp for most videos though.

No more feature updates for Windows 10 – current version is final

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Perfectly good legacy hardware.

"The fact that you consider it "perfectly good" implies that it's a long way from being "legacy hardware", of course."

My very early Intel macbook (2006) running LM 21.1 is perfectly good at doing what I ask of it while (I assume that) most people would regard any laptop of that age as "legacy hardware".

Firmware is on shaky ground – let's see what it's made of

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Old stuff

I have a 2006 white macbook running LM XFCE 21.1 and a 2009 Eeepc 901 running LMDE 4. Both are usable and still being updated. Then there is my pair of Eeepc 701s that run an older version of LinuxMint that need something newer installing on them.

I have a recent Motorola phone with Android 11 that will cease to have updates soon and no obvious upgrade path to Android 12. Plus a paperweight Cosmo Communicator stuck on Android 9. In the case of the Communicator you can in theory install Gemian linux although the last time I checked the absence of a Planet Computers server stops you updating or doing much useful with their linux install. Which is one of the reasons why linux on x86/AMD64 or widely supported ARM platforms (Raspberry Pi for example) makes it easy to keep old kit working.

My 2003 Corolla has firmware in the form of an electronic engine management system and ABS control system but the car is not connected to the internet. So security issues due to unpatched code are very unlikely. A modern electric car is a computer on wheels with an always on internet connection. The cars's firmware controls things like the brakes and power train as well as insignificant stuff like the infotainment system. Will today's new cars still be getting updates for their "firmware" in 2043? Will your 20 year old Tesla fail its MOT as there are known unpatched vulnerabilities in the car's firmware? Will you be allowed by legislators to install "LinuxMint Tesla Edition" on your car when the car's firmware stops getting updated?

Smile! UK cops reckon they've ironed out gremlins with real-time facial recog

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Re: Back to Covid mask wearing

You really think that masks and sunglasses will help much?

https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/18/vr_telemetry_identity/

It will only be a matter of time before the "mug shot" down at your local nick becomes a "suspect-body-movement video and mug shot".

Linux Mint 21.2 and Cinnamon 5.8 desktop take shape

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Re: Cinnamon Mint is my Choice

"...upgrades are seamless so all is good."

I just upgraded a 2006 white macbook from 18.1 to 21.1. It took a few days including two full disc copies using dd but was remarkably easy. After having two complete failures to upgrade Ubuntu on ARM boards in the past I was a bit sceptical but seeing as the macbook's CD drive failed ages ago and it wouldn't boot from a live USB stick and a new install would have required installing rEFIt again I thought that the upgrade path was the best option. Installing on a later macbook does not work either due AFAIR to the limitations of the EFI implementation on the really early macbooks.

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The macbook will be 21 years old by the time 21.1 stops receiving updates, assuming the hardware holds up. Mint Xfce zips along fine running off an SSD.

Ford seeks patent for cars that ditch you if payments missed

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Re: Tell me you're middle-class without telling me etc etc

I usually don't like saying "I told you so" but in this case I will allow myself to feel smug.

https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2016/01/05/want_new_smartphone_laptop_tablet_no/#c_2737824

systemd 253: You're looking at the future of enterprise Linux boot processes

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Re: This is perfect for a Friday story

"Don’t try to put every good features into just one project."

I haven't checked the systemd roadmap yet, but does anyone else know when systemd's eagerly awaited email client functionality will be implemented?

Musk bans private-plane-tracking @Elonjet on Twitter, threatens legal action

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Re: I'm appalled

"The other is ElReg (amongst many others) milking the drama for a handful of ad dollars. "

Are there really ads on ElReg?

'What's the point of me being in my office, just because they want to see me in the office?'

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I had a short stint on a large UK government project around the time that two skyscrapers in New York collapsed. The CEO of the company that had managed to convince the UK authorities of their ability to complete the aforementioned project within budget and by the deadline was one Dick Brown.

Dick had a penchant for sending out similar emails (albeit shorter and less coherent) to both permies and contractors working on the project. Serendipitously, (or possibly by default) Outlook was configured in such a way that everyone was identified in the format "surname comma forename" on emails they sent.

I am not sure what my colleagues made of these missives but I personally found it rather amusing when these "Brown, Dick" messages appeared in my inbox. Uplifting they certainly were, but probably not in the way that Dick intended.

The boss worked in a fishbowl, so office tricks were a treat

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Re: Pranks and things

My father who was at Cambridge in the same period used to tell us the story of a friend's Austin 7 that was dismantled and reassembled in the owner's room while the owner was away for the weekend.

Keeping printers quiet broke disk drives, thanks to very fuzzy logic

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Re: O Paris, Paris, wherefore art thou Paris?

The Norwegian word for "why" is "hvorfor".

Tesla owner gets key fob chip implanted in his hand

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Tesla owner gets key fob chip implanted in his hand

So do Muskovites drive Muskvitches?

The App Gap and supply chains: Purism CEO on what's ahead for the Librem 5 USA

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Re: Still waiting...

I wondered about delivery when I looked at the Librem 5 a couple of years ago. I ended up plumping for a PinePhone which was a fraction of the price. Running Mobian/Phosh most features work as they should albeit in a relaxed manner. It makes me smile a lot of the time using a "smartphone" running linux.

You would expect a qualified electrician to wire a building to spec, right? Trust... but verify

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Re: The neutral doesn't join up with anything on the switch!

"What amused me was that it was now okay to use a standard light switch - as long as its outside the "wet area" whereas before it had to be a pull cord; given the average teenager doesn't dry their hands..."

Interesting! I didn't realise that the average teenager washed their hands after a visit to the toilet...

Anyway on the rare occasions I return to the UK I am reminded how much I don't miss those ruddy bathroom pull cord switches. Stumbling around in the dark of an unfamiliar AirBnB half awake with a full bladder I try to grab the cord so I can see what I am doing. I grab but miss and the cord is now not only difficult to see it is also waving around wildly.

I much prefer standard switches (preferably backlit) mounted on the outside of the bathroom next to the door, together with the bathroom fan switch. Each to his own I guess...

Supreme Court urged to halt 'unconstitutional' Texas content-no-moderation law

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SPAM, SPAM SPAM SPAM!

"HB 20 also "prohibits email service providers from impeding the transmission of email messages based on content," as Abbott's press release explains."

I wonder how long it will take before they stop enforcing that clause.

Microsoft slides ads into Windows Insiders' File Explorer

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Re: Killing off their own golden goose

"Although MS is pushing their Office 264 product..."

Ah, the uptime is getting worse by the day...

Planning for power cuts? That's strictly for the birds

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Re: Stuff Happens

One crisp winter morning my Trabant expired a minute after leaving town with a boot full of groceries. As luck would have it this happened within coasting distance of a bus stop so I was able to get the car safely off the road. After checking that the fuel tap was open (it was) I popped the bonnet so I could check how much fuel was in the tank.

I unscrewed the filler cap and heard a sound like the one you get when you open a can of pop as air rushed into the tank. The fuel tank on a Trabant is vented through a tiny hole in the filler cap which on inspection was plugged by a tiny piece of ice.

As the fuel tank is mounted above the engine it is subjected to large temperature changes. In winter any condensation in the tank (after melting) will try to escape via the vent hole in the filler cap as the tank warms up. When you start driving cold air is forced under the bonnet and over the filler cap which can turn water in the vent hole back into ice.

I normally have a pin for adjusting windscreen washers stuck in the windscreen rubber on the inside of the driver's windscreen pillar. It turned out to be just the right tool for de-icing Trabant petrol cap vent holes.

Google's 'Be Evil' business transformation is complete: Time for the end game

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Re: Wishful thinking

It took 8 years from the start of proceedings against AT&T to the break up actually being a fact. I don't know how many years of complaints and agitation preceeded the start of the legal process.

Anyway maybe as we turn the corner into 2030 we will be able to celebrate "the Alphabet" being broken up into its constituent letters.

Sometimes you have to hold onto your dreams...

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Better the devil, you know...

I remember hearing from an acquaintance in the early 90's that the Greater Manchester Police finally had enough of the gang leaders responsible for drug sales in their area and decided to put a fair few of them behind bars. Trouble was, their organisations continued to flourish except with new leaders in place. Leaders that the police had no working relationships with, leaders who had grown up without the old school habits of their predecessors, leaders who were more unpredictable.

I have often observed that there are many more parallels between the bootleg era Mafia in the US and the large US based multinational corporations than with either of them and the ethics embodied in the ideas of WIlliam Morris and the enlightened Industrial Revolution company owners. Or in the business practices that follow the aims and principles of the co-operative movements that have made such a difference to people around the world.

Nothing is bad for Google. It might well get broken up a la AT&T, split into separate corporations that co-incidently continue to co-operate on projects of mutual benefit. The new Google might well have to get used to more oversight but it has money and lawyers so combating oversight will just be seen as a new cost of doing business, like office rental, company cars and staff.

On the other hand, not breaking up Google will have dire consequences for the rest of us folk and will stifle competition maybe forever more. Like the bootleg era Mafias it is never enough just to do business on a level playing field and compete fairly with the competition. Oh no, in order to maximise profits the competition have to be completely destroyed.

Apple's Safari browser runs the risk of becoming the new Internet Explorer – holding the web back for everyone

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Re: A man after my own heart

33k6!!! By 'eck you were lucky! We 'ad te make doo wi' uh 14k4 modem and we 'ad to share t bandwidth wi' rest t village...

Client-side content scanning is an unworkable, insecure disaster for democracy

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Re: minority report

Or a small drone carrying a payload of flying nanobots who in turn are each carrying a tiny (but sufficient) payload of ricin arriving at your home in the early hours of the morning.

Sleeping with your bedroom window open might not turn out to be as good for you as you thought.

Microsoft's problem child, Windows 11, is here. Will you run it? Can you run it? Do you even WANT to run it?

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Re: Want to run it?

I recently installed Mint 19.1 XFCE on a pair of Eee PC 701s, one of which has whole 2GB of RAM in it. Web browsing is a bit relaxed and video chat is unusable but Mint works fine otherwise. Mozilla based browsers still run on this hardware and 19.1 will be supported for a couple more years.

Remind me again, why is it so hard for MS to support hardware a third of the age of my trusty netbook?

Higher tech prices ARE here to stay. It's Mr Farage's new Britain

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Re: Brexit means brexit.

@H in The Hague

I'd generally agree with your comments about the Netherlands. Easy to get around on a bike (except against a stiff headwind) and easy to get to other countries. Easy to get hold of stuff and relatively easy to do business. If you come from the more northern reaches of the UK then you would probably notice the lack of any natural landscape as really there isn't any until you get down to the the Ardennes. Still, I have an affection for morning autumnal mists hanging over the polder landscape or storm clouds scudding across the low sky.

If I had to leave Norway then the Netherlands would be first choice for me. The UK will never be an option for me again there is no way I could hack living there any more. Maybe Canada if the Netherlands lurches further to the right but I doubt that North America could ever replace the cultural and linguistic diversity that is the EU.

Netflix flattens bug that allowed account p0wnage via voicemail

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Re: Voicefail

Well yes, and no. The developers of the Netflix password reset function made an basic mistake. Their system was open to abuse as it assumed a default level of security somewhere else - a "somewhere else" over which they have absolutely no control over.

Microsoft tries, fails to crush 'gender bias' lawsuit brought by its own women engineers

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Re: Always a one-sided story

"Sure, it could be true. But it could also be an issue of people who got it into their head that they 'deserve' a positive promotion and will now start blaming everything except themselves."

This is all fine until you start looking at how groups work and, in particular how covert or hidden bullying works. A new member of staff doesn't even need to have done anything wrong to be subject to covert bullying. Their only "mistake" is say to have been appointed to a team where the manager, irrespective as to how effective they are, happens to be managing a project that has internal political pressure on it and divided opinions as to the usefulness of the project. Those who dislike that project or that manager will tend to transfer those feelings onto anyone assigned to that team.

Sad to say it doesn't take much to get otherwise reasonable and social people to join in with such back biting. As it is covert the object of the attacks will struggle to work out what is actually going on. This type of situation will inevitably skew any peer review system against the person concerned without them knowing that anything is afoot. Even if that person is then placed in another team.

Sure, it can be down to whining women and gender politics but then again maybe that Trump - Billy Bush video indicates that maybe women have a point. There *are* plenty of ways to exclude women from the type of male bonding that takes place in all-male gatherings. Gatherings that can take place in work time when women on the team are not present. Gatherings that strengthen a male bias in a team by encouraging the airing of negative comments about women.

Snoop! stooge! Yahoo! handed! all! your! email! to! Uncle! Sam! – and! any! passing! hacker!

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Re: Hmm... feeling nostalgic...

Same here.

More proof, as if we needed it, that you should not trust any cloud providers especially those based in the US of A.

Yahoo gone. It's high time I nuked my LinkedIn account too...

HP Ink COO: Sorry not sorry we bricked your otherwise totally fine printer cartridges

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Sporkist comments

Actually, after many years of testing various utensils on long summer cycle tours I have to say that the titanium version of the original Light My Fire spork is IMHO a useful and usable piece of kit. Unlike the plastic versions, the "knife" edge can just cope with cutting open apples and slicing cheese, whilst the spoon can be used as both a spoon and to spread butter, marmite etc on bread. It also can be used as a cooking utensil as it doesn't melt if you leave it in the frying pan by accident. As it is made of titanium it is very durable, light and much harder to break by accident.

Admittedly a titanium spork is rather more expensive than its plastic siblings - a classic example of you get what you pay for.

The same goes for buying a cheap multi-functional printer made by a gouging multi-national corporation - you get what you pay for.

TV industry gets its own 'dieselgate' over 'leccy consumption tests

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Re: It's not difficult.

Place television in a selection of homes which are connected to a mains electrical supply and are inhabited by people and where the aforementioned inhabitants watch television on a telly.

FTFY.

Although as IANAL I am sure I have missed out a few clauses that would make sure that the test conditions could not be misinterpreted.

VW Dieselgate engineer sings like a canary: Entire design team was in on it – not just a few bad apples, allegedly

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Re: Disgusted

"A lot of the US actions were protectionist, e.g. the California ban on small two stroke motorcycles (imported) despite the tiny contribution they made to pollution."

Rather like my Trabant.

In my little rural valley we get temperature inversion layers in winter. The bottom of the valley fills up with wood smoke from the wood burning stoves despite many houses having heat pumps and electric heaters (using electricity from hydro electric power). The air quality is dire on occasion. The main road up the valley is full of heavy lorries in addition to other traffic and, at the weekends, people driving up from nearby cities to their huts in the hills. In the summer you can hear the sound of diesel engined tractors, diggers and dumpers and two stroke petrol chainsaws and bushwackers from early in the morning to late at night. Then there are other pollutants such as the smell of drying paint in the house painting season and barbeque smoke in the summer.

In comparison to that cocktail of emmisions, the Trabant 2-stroke engine (low NOx of course) which only smokes when cold is a mere spit in the ocean.

Although, having said that, my near neigbours who only see it in blue smoke mode, after starting from cold, might not agree.

Making us pay tax will DESTROY EUROPE, roars Apple's Tim Cook

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Re: Corporation tax is the problem

There is a very simple solution. Replace the current method of calculating corporate tax. Corporate tax will now be levied as a fixed percentage of all sales/leases etc of goods and services in the country concerned. Then rename the tax to "Permission to Trade in the Market" tax as that, in effect is what corporate tax is.

It works like this : if Apple sell a million iThings in the UK it pays say 2% of of the gross value of all sales to the UK government. If Samsung sell a million sThings in Germany it pays 2% of of the gross value of all sale to the German government. If Huawei lease a million hThings in France it pays 2% of of the gross value of all these lease contracts to the French government.

Easy to calculate and an end to the discussion as to where profits are made.

No doubt this new regime will produce a flock of bleating complaints from the big corporations, but we let them bleat. The big corporations have proven themselves time and time again to be manipulative serial tax avoiders who show no concern for the citizens of the countries they operate in. So why should we cut them any slack now?

Yes, let them bleat, for we need roads, hospitals and schools for our children too.

Paper mountain, hidden Brexit: How'd you say immigration control would work?

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"Central Manchester Redevelopment Plan"

Ah yes, I was lying in bed in my house a couple of miles from the Arndale Centre when it got remodeled. The whole house shook as the shock wave reached our bit of town. I didn't bother to go in and see the damage and shortly afterwards left the UK for the Netherlands. I have never been back to Manchester to see what it looks like now.

I would certainly miss that lovely wavy concrete canopy that used to adorn the M&S building and probably that odd tiled "inside out public convenience" look that the arse end of the Arndale used to have. The irony of the high and the low points of Mancunian architecture so close together. Yes, I would miss that.

I think I want to keep my old memories and illusions alive a little longer in this post-Brexit reality.

"The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there."

Das ist empörend: Microsoft slams umlaut for email depth charge

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Re: Many more...

@Agent Tick

" ... languages ( French, Skandinavian lingos etc) are using diaeresis (two-dot letters) in their alphabet"

One of my colleagues discovered very recently that a O365/Microsoft Account does not accept the three Norwegian accented characters, æ,ø and å as valid letters in a password.

Sigh.

New UK trade deals would not compensate for loss of single market membership

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Re: Really ....

@Dave 15

"Britain was an industrial powerhouse right through the 19th century totally dominating the world with the mass produced output from places like Birmingham, Sheffield, Manchester."

Sounds like you have never read "Love on the Dole", or "The Road to Wigan Pier" or any factual contemporary historical reports of living and working conditions for workers in such "industrial powerhouses". People who scraped by every week on a pittance living in towns with environmental conditions that were worse than the worst you will find in China today.

Britain's industrial revolution was run on the gross exploitation of workers, employed with contracts that could leave you out of a job at the end of each day, with little or no attention paid to the health, safety and well being of the employed. With no regard to the devastating environmental impact of a coal based heavy industrial economy. Wealth created on the backs of child labour and the exploitation of families.

That Brexiteers think that this is something to return to in the 21st century to make Britain "great" again only goes to show how tenuous their grasp on reality really is.

Mind you, it looks like the UK is already on the way back to that "great" period in our history. Zero hour contract anyone?

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Re: Also, the reverse would apply

@AC

"IKEA is Swedish, you numpty."

Actually it's generally regarded as a Dutch company. Although given its complex multinational corporate structure you'd be forgiven for thinking it was based somewhere else such as Luxemborg or Lichtenstein.

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Re: @Tom7

"But I like your attitude! I mean, what do experts know about their field of expertise anyway? Amirite...?"

This skepticism about experts could actually turn into a great money saver for Brexitland and present opportunities for economic growth. Think about it, soon the country will only need 48% of the current number of dentists. After all, what do dentists know about teeth?

We can reduce the NHS budget to 48% of current levels as the 52% of Leavers will no longer be willing to trust doctors and other medical staff. After all, what do they know about health?

People can stop buying expensive European cars as well. Sure, Chinese built ones have a reputation for being somewhat less safe in crash situation but hey, what right have the experts in the EURO NCAP teams to stop people buying perfectly good cars?

At the same time there will be massive growth in the markets for DIY tooth repair kits and health diagnostic toolkits, books titled "Remove your own appendix in half an hour" and "Road side trauma surgery for beginners" and other important things like DIY airbag kits for cars.

Yes the future is looking so bright I need two pairs of sunglasses.

PS I am no expert about economic matters, so I must be right, right?

Software snafu let EU citizens get referendum vote, says Electoral Commission

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Re: I paid my taxes, my partner and children are British ...

Well to a point... You need to be both British and have been on the electoral register in the last fifteen years. Which is quite a neat way of disenfranchising British citizens who have taken advantage of the freedom of movement that the EU encourages.

Apparently there are around three million of us in the non-British parts of Europe. Which could have made a difference if the result was close. Someone clearly considered this quite carefully when drafting the rules for the referendum.

Firefox features will land out of cycle and Mozilla's cool with that

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Re: Alternatives to FF and Chrome?

Obligatory SeaMonkey plug. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

Not only a useable browser with a "normal" user interface but also a useable Mail client.

Tech biz bosses tell El Reg a Brexit will lead to a UK Techxit

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Re: Brits who live in other parts of the EU...

@ Bronek Kozicki

"Perhaps that explains less bureaucracy."

No, it is mainly that the rules have been "harmonised" over the years. After five years in the Netherlands I was told I did not need to register any more at the foreigners department of the local police. Norway otherwise is the most intensely bureaucratic country I have lived in, it trumps even The Netherlands in that respect.

Whilst being outside the EU allows Norway room for manoeuvre in terms of farm subsidies the rights of free movement of workers are pretty much the same as in EU countries. Norway is a Schengen country for starters. You have a right to come here for a period of three months to look for work. If you find it then you can stay. Suffice it to say Norway is not free from the "bloody Johnny Foreigner taking our..." debate. It is raging nicely here too.

Norway implements pretty much every EU directive that comes its way (the only one I can think of that they didn't implement was the Data Retention directive (RIP)). This actually causes problems in the cattle dairy farming sector. EU regulations for milking new parlours combined with Norwegian building regulations and hence building costs mean that it is not economic for smaller farms to build new facilities. They would never get a meaningful return on their investment. Many dairy farmers choose to shut up shop or move into other types of farming.

So I doubt that EEA membership would change much for the UK. Apart from that it would make a packet for the postal services and Customs and Excise. Everything you order from EU countries would be liable for import duties/VAT etc plus the obligatory service charge from the postal company. That would make everyone happy wouldn't it...

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Re: Brits who live in other parts of the EU...

I won't get a vote, I have been off the electoral register for too long. The right to vote on such issues should be governed by the passport you hold, not by your status on the electoral register.

As for interests being harmed, will Brexit make it easier to resolve child custody cases across UK/EU borders? Will it make it easier for you to access pension entitlements that you have built up in the various countries you have lived in? How about getting your British Masters Degree validated in the EU country you where you are looking for a job? If you as a Brit suffer a job related injury will you still retain your right to get sick pay from the German authorities? If you are assaulted in Norway will you still have rights to a payout from the victim support agency? How about getting emergency healthcare in France while on holiday when you need it? As a British family living in Britain both adults working, how will your life be improved if you can be sacked for refusing to work more than 48 hours a week?

As for net immigration to the UK, does this mean that unemployment has gone up by 2-3 million in the last ten years or so or have a couple of those 2-3 million new arrivals actually found paying jobs?

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Brits who live in other parts of the EU...

Too many of my dear countrymen seem to forget that there are people with British passports who, by dint of EU rules have been able to migrate to other EU and EEA countries. In nearly 20 years of living "on the continent" I have seen the administrative demands on internal EU migrants drop from having to re-register with the police once every three months/six months/once a year (The Netherlands) to registering with the local police once, a few years ago when I first moved to Norway.

No-one on the "Out" camp seems to give a toss that new and unusual bureaucratic contortions might be foisted on people like me as a result of a "Brexit". The only bright point is that I am married to someone who has a non-British EU passport which might make things a little easier in the worst of the worst case scenarios.

Obama puts down his encrypted phone long enough to tell us: Knock it off with the encryption

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"So Barack, here's the deal. The negatives can be yours for a small fee.."

One of the good old USofA's shady TLAs must have dug up some serious dirt on Barry!

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