Re: 20% of the cost of the Primera?
so 60% gross margins arent a lot?? I mean, its not like pure SW margins but I think lots of industries would love 60% gross margins.
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AWS, Azure, GCP none of those guys have "99.9999999999999999%" availability.
In fact, they have three 9's which is equal to 44 minutes a month or almost NINE hours a year. The twelve or fifteen 9's of availability is durability for their storage. You wont LOSE data but you might not be able to access it!
Yes, C480 thats what I meant! Not S-Series, I was blanking on that for like half an hour.
Interesting, the way that I was told is UCS DGX you are talking about is just the NVIDIA DGX but on Cisco's GPL. Same way you can buy Commvault, Veeam, VMware or about a million other technologies. I don't believe there is any difference so I highly doubt you're going to be running AMD or TPU on an NVIDIA box :)
You seem to have a great handle on this. How can I pick your brain more on this stuff outside of this venue?
I didn’t realize HX had nodes based off of anything else besides C240s and C220s. And I’m sorry for my skepticism but even if you put an S-series HX mode that could handle 6 V100s, there’s no effing way you’re pushing 1 petaflop out of that when a DGX-1 with 8 cards only does 960 teraflops.
I love what they are doing with Kubernetes and think they have a great message with hybrid GCP, but if we are talking straight performance here I don’t see how HX can stack up on training vs an AIRI or NetApp/NVIDIA solution
I actually disagree with you on #3. I think EMC (Not Dell/EMC) reps are some of the best around. They also have an absolute beast of a marketing machine.
Their issue is the majority of their products are absolute crap. Isilon WAS great for very specific workloads and has recently gone down hill dramatically. ScaleIO doesnt have a single enterprise feature. VMAX is great for very specific workloads and has had a tough time moving to all flash.....dont even get me started on the Xtremio debacle. Remember how hard they were pushing that piece of garbage? They pushed it so hard for a year and then its almost like it completely vanished from the portfolio after they had so many issues with it.
Ahhhh my favorite.
"Backup / Disaster recovery costs"
Do you think that since it's in the cloud that it's automatically backed up?
Out of all the points you mentioned above....2..maybe 3 are valid (Colo costs for sure, ongoing maintenance and maybe....maybe depreciation)
You have to pay to architect backup/DR properly, you have to pay to secure properly. Nobody has staff completely dedicated to just HW, you have to train your team for cloud now.
I've always liked what Nutanix has to offer, seems like a really good fit for a lot of custoers. What I can't stand is their marketing department blabbing their mouth about "vendor lock in". Listen, every company has lock in, including your own. Just because you can run your SW on some different HW platforms doesnt mean they aren't locked in.
Go read your coworker's (Trevor) article about HCI. People are always the problem. If you create a solution that is going to simplify the data center then who cares how its packaged?
If I was a customer I wouldn't give 2 sh*ts if its truly HCI or not? Can it help me with the problems I have? Yes? Great. If not, then it will fail.
Let me start this post with the always applicable "THERE WILL ALWAYS BE TRADEOFFS" line. By having these components provisioned separately it allows for certain efficiencies that current HCI players aren't able offer.
My customers who have gone down the HCI route have done so for 1 reason and 1 reason only. Simplicity. You can try and tell me otherwise, but it always boils down to that single reason. Should a customer really care how its packaged if provides the same levels of simplicity (i'm making an assumption that it does ie. single pane of glass, 1 click upgrades...)????
Its going to be very interesting on a couple different fronts. Can they manufacture their own drives at a price point where they can be cost competitive in the market? Does development now slow down with proprietary HW (ala 3PAR ASIC)? Finally, the DSSD, Violin's of the world that used proprietary HW did NOT offer any data services (Dedupe, Compression) because that inherently slows the array down. Did they fail because of the HW or because of the lack of services?
Great job on the math! Everyone knows Pure has 100% Raw to Usable ratios (which you so graciously pointed out).
But now we definitely need to factor in a 30% raid hit for NetApp and they dont have ANY efficiencies on their boxes.
I pray you are not in Sales. If you're going to troll, please try and not make it so obvious.
This is what I love about the Gartner folk....they are always comparing new apples to 8 year old apples/oranges.
“[Customers have] the ability to start very small (two to three nodes) and grow resource at a very granular level,” he said. “So the minimum investment in HCIS can be as low as $20-30,000, whereas a blade/SAN-based system generally requires an investment of $300,000 or more.
Most storage systems and compute have the ability to "start small and grow at a granular level". If the SAN /Blade system you are looking at is really $300,000 then there is a ZERO percent chance that the HCI config that will meet your needs is $20,000.
Maybe not the case if your looking at a VMAX or a high end Hitachi but guess what those things deliver a ton of extra value that your HCI setup can't. HCI is great because it simplifies the management, but you always pay a premium for simplicity whether thats in dollars, lack of flexibility, lock in, etc
I'm a former NetApp employee....go read the comments in this article
There are comprises you have to make in order to get certain features/functionality. In order to get all the bells and whistles that SolidFire brings to the table means its very memory intensive. Has nothing to do with inefficiency, has to do with a completely different set of features.
Lets say you get 10:1 data reduction on your Pure array instead of the 5:1 you were expecting (yay, great news!). Now your company decides to open up a second data center....what do you do?
You have to go out and buy a new Pure Array....all of it. FlashArray - which is probably the most expensive because you are paying for the HW/SW, Maintenance and Install.
Under this new licensing structure, if i got 10:1 instead of 5:1 with Solidfire all I am paying for is the HW which is Dell passthrough + 10%
Thank you D for a non biased, honest response. I'm still shocked that some people (Chris Mellor) can't recognize that there are ALWAYS trade offs. I can have scale out with inline global data efficiencies but I wont get density. I can have density but I wont get things like true QoS policies.
There is no storage platform that is perfect....otherwise they'd own the market
As D said, Any true scale out platform with data services (like inline GLOBAL dedupe) is going to run into issues with large SSD size. If you want to accommodate those SSD sizes then you need crazy amounts of memory and that will price themselves out.
SolidFire Memory - 384GB
Xtremio Memory (40TB brick) - 512GB
All very fair and valid points, especially the 20TB-40TB hybrid storage for the SMB mid market space and the all flash or go home comments. This just reminds me of the FAS2XXX/VNXe releases of "configs starting as low as $8,000!!! You got a single controller, 1TB of disk, no SW, and a year of basic support" Any real world config ended up being 3X+ that amount.
Now I predominantly sell NetApp (which I know you aren't a huge fan of so I'll try and tone down being a fanboy and look at this objectively) but if I showed a $5-$10GB price tag I would get laughed out of the room. I've sold 5 AFF arrays in the past 6 months and all of them are under half of your $5GB price tag and thats with only a 2:1 (useable to effective) ratio.
Just curious, why do you think Unity has a lower floor cost than its competition?
I don't want to come across as a complete EMC hater (used to work there and sell some in different pockets at my VAR) but I think you're getting the wool pulled over your eyes.
I've seen the pricing on this already and you're looking at $3-$4 per GB useable (remember no efficiencies).....does that seem like a good deal to you?
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