The HP systems being sold on our local shopping channel don't specify the OS (Windows 10) anymore - they always used to.
It seems sales go better when Windows 10 isn't mentioned.
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Telemetry can't be turned off according to Microsoft management.
Microsoft states that it can access any file on your system if it believes there is a breach of some law so the remote access is a definite.
Its obvious that Windows 10 has been set up as a major spyware system. The telemetry includes your IP address, the IP address of any VPN's that you are using and massive amounts of other data.
The USA government is advising people not to use Huawei smart phones because they can be used to spy on their citizens. The USA government came to that certain conclusion because it has been do the same thing to the technology under its control for many years.
"It is necessary to find electronics and computer parts businesses that will supply and assemble bare machines."
Computer businesses will have several systems per-assembled and ready for sale that can be easily varied on request.
Been buying systems without OS's for may years, never been the slightest problem buying them and much cheaper. They also come with OEM Windows on request because the computer business makes the systems (out of parts).
Microsoft uses such VAGUE language. On one privacy page, the one with the picture of Satya on top, it stated that user browser search history was collected without any mention of Cloud services. It stated that the user browser history was used for page prediction. This privacy page stated that USER browser history was collected and didn't make the simple statement that identifying information was removed.
Now it seems that Microsoft is stating that browser history is collected and then mentions the Cloud in the next paragraph with the HOPE that people will ASSUME that the previous paragraph was related to Cloud services which actually hasn't been stated in any way.
It would be a very simple matter for Microsoft to make a clear statements about what they are not collecting and this isn't being done.
The quote is correct. All this information can be accessed by the NSA at any time.
The Patriot Act gives the NSA the right to bulk data collection without any legal process. The NSA has direct links to the tech companies so it can access this information at any time. This the law in the USA. It is not opinion.
Microsoft will know everything about you from your email usage. They don't need a Microsoft account for identification or to run the telemetry/spyware.
Microsoft can read everything on your computer system and send it anywhere it likes. The Microsoft account just makes it EASIER to identify you.
Microsoft makes numerous millions from telemetry by improving their software products and then selling them for an increased value (no one would buy a buggy software product) - so how much more would a non-buggy software product be worth.
Microsoft has also closed its testing division which would probably be adding hundreds of millions of dollars to Microsoft's profits. This would have been impossible without the use of the telemetry.
The fact that Microsoft does use telemetry to make money has been lost because of the focus on selling the telemetry directly for money which at present doesn't happen.
The Windows 7 telemetry/spyware features were installed only if you let them be installed which many users did not.
Using a local account does nothing, absolutely nothing for stopping the telemetry/spyware operating on your computer. They know exactly who and where you are and don't need you to log on to a Microsoft account. They can read everything from your computer. The only way to stop this is not to allow your computer to communicate with the internet.
According to Microsoft management, there is no way to stop the 'telemetry' from leaving your computer. If this is true, this means there is a back door in the OS which no third party software can touch. It would be interesting to monitor all network traffic from a computer running these software products (it has to be monitored using another computer which has the traffic routed through it - and preferably not a Windows machine).
Same here. For the first time in over 10 years, no new hardware because of Windows 10, nothing worthwhile to upgrade to. Just keeping the current systems going, upgrading RAM and drives where possible and looking for compatible second hand gear. I've got 14 systems, zero new hardware for the last year.
Any hardware manufacturer which supports Microsoft's controlling tactics will be written off as a bad joke and placed in the same category of 'avoid at all costs'.
Absolutely agree, the damage has been severely done. What Microsoft has ADMITTED to is just the tip of the iceberg.
Everyone running Windows 10 has a computer system open to who knows. A user's browsing history may contain embarrassments which could be used against them at a later date. Of course, 'clearing' the collected data means that the data is probably hidden and not deleted.
The NSA must be very grateful for the browser history - I can understand the NSA needing to collect data but it shouldn't be done at the expense of everyone's privacy.
Microsoft management have stated that the telemetry can't be turned off.
The only way this could be done is to install a back door into the OS. Microsoft will collect the information it wants from your computer and there is no stopping it (unless you isolate the system with an external firewall with no connection to the internet whatsoever).
No installed program can stop all of the telemetry.
There are businesses which run Linux as their main OS so running Linux in a business environment is possible depending on the software requirements (more than the office applications).
There are also flavors of enterprise Linux desktop that have been around for many years which are designed and suitable for businesses.
Businesses have more than 3 years to migrate in full or in part. That's a long time.
A lot of users didn't let the telemetry/spyware be installed in the first place on Windows 7 and 8, so it wasn't back ported for these users.
On Windows 7 and 8, you can uninstall the telemetry/spyware quite easily, so you don't have to be stuck with Microsoft's data collection efforts.
On Windows 10, users have compulsory telemetry/spyware.
For someone who works in IT, you sure don't know much about Linux.
The desktop version of Linux Mint doesn't come with developer tools, they can be installed from the available packages, but they aren't there when you first install. Most of the different versions of Linux I've installed give you the option of choosing which packages you want on your system. There are plenty of Linux users with heaps of experience. You ain't one of them.
Were you part of the insiders program maybe, and still trying to push the Microsoft propaganda?
It will not create a seperate partition for the /home directory.
I've used Linux a fair bit but I'm not an expert.
I install Linux to a different hard drive. I create the partitions under Windows using one of the free partition managers (MiniTool Partition Wizard is decent). Makes life easy. Recommended swap partition size is 2-4GB. On a small hard drive (say 160GB, you could allocate the OS to 50GB, the /home partition to 100GB and make a swap partition at the end). Linux isn't resource hungry so it doesn't need masses amounts of space to work. For larger hard drives, just increase the proportions, whatever meets your needs (OS 100GB max). Linux can actually be installed on much smaller hard drives.
During the installation of LInux, do not allow the auto creation of partitions because you will get a single large partition with the OS (including /home) and a Linux Swap Partition.
Do the partition selection/creation manually. If already created, just mount the partitions by selecting the partition and then entering the mount point (eg '/' and '/home') and the file system type (eg ext4). If you want to create the partitions with the Linux installer, just play around with it a little. You know the sizes that you want (eg 50GB for '/' and 100GB for '/home' and 4GB for the swap partition - just specify the file system type (ext4) and the mount points ('/' and '/home'). You wont have to specify the file system for the swap partition.
If you already have information that you don't want to loose in the /home partition, make sure you don't format this partition for obvious reasons.
If you make a mistake or are unsure, just restart the install process and have another go. Its a good way to learn. That's what I do.
Before you do anything, backup your important data (documents, photos, software, everything). If you will install Linux to a different hard drive, disconnect the other hard drives so that they cannot be changed during the Linux installation. I would take a copy of your hard drive so you can restore it if necessary without losing anything at all. Norton's ghost is a decent program. If you use Windows backup, create a system image, make sure you select everything on the hard drive so it can be restored completely.
There are many Linux users out there with masses of experience who will give advice freely.
The installation doesn't suggest it.
People do it because they don't want everything lost if a newer or different version of linux is installed. It just makes life easier.
I usually create 3 partitions, one for the OS, one for /home (in my case I mount it to /working and leave home alone) and one for a swap partition which linux uses.
Mount the OS partition to / (which is called the root) and the other partition to /home. The swap partition will be automatically identified and used during the installation.
I prefer to create a /working directory on another partition and make sure I back up everything to that partition (including email, browser, installed software, howto, programming, references).
I just put a symbolic link to /working on the desktop.
Absolutely correct. Microsoft management have stated that the telemetry can't be stopped.
Its easy for Microsoft to code a back door in Windows 10 that can be used to send telemetry. Installed third party software can't interfere with its collection in any way.
Apple doesn't do what Microsoft does.
I use mostly Windows and a few Apple machines and Apple has never done what Microsoft has done over the last year. Microsoft has tried every dirty trick to get people onto its new computing model while Apple makes most of its money from its hardware sales.
Micrsoft is to blame for its own conduct. Apple has nothing to do with it.
It may not be expensive but they are using public money, paying it to a company that donates it back to the liberal party.
Public money is effectively being channeled back into Liberal Party donations. This is highly unethical to say the least.
The Labor uses similar software but the company it uses doesn't donate it back to the Labor Party so they are paying for a service without the kickbacks.
Microsoft has tried every dirty trick they could to get people to upgrade to Windows 10.
Now they are trying to scare people into upgrading.
I suppose its implied that Microsoft intends to throw the users of all the earlier versions of Windows under the bus.
Microsoft is gettting more and more desperate.
Well, just restarted my computer - had all the updates turned off previously. Just saw for an instant in the notification area 'Microsoft installed new updates' which disapeared in about half a second. Checked the automatic updates and all turned on and updates showing for installation.
What a joke MicroShaft is.
The spyware bypasses your host file.
It is possible to run programs that are hidden and cant be viewed by task manager. As a programmer, I've done it a few times.
Do you think microsoft will leave the spyware that is collecting all of your personal information visible in task manager?
Same here. I use android without using Google services and avoid any information collection.
Windows 10 is worse in the way they violate your privacy, its sort of an active process. Google collects information when you come to them. Microsoft hunts your information down. Passive versus active. The active is far worse.
I think there has always been a shady side to Microsoft but there was some sort of ethical treatment of the end user, some sort of concern for the end user experience so that the product would be accepted and used.
At least until Windows 8. Then things started going bad.
Now for Windows 10, the end user is the enemy to be monitored and controlled. Any treatment, no matter how unethical is allowable.
"Spyware on by default".
Microsoft says that there is no way you can stop the information leaving your computer. There is no 'off switch' for the data they want (except an external firewall) and turning off updates.
Any 'off switch' they provide is just to make the user feel like they have control. Good joke on the user.
That's a bit harsh.
M$ has upped its disrespect towards users by about a factor of 50. I don't think they could be any more disrespectful if they tried (maybe they could).
Linux Mint is looking good for a private secure OS and I've got 11 windows systems that will never see windows 10. M$ will loose a lot of its customer base.
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