Re: GOOD
Since 2017 its been law in UK/Europe for EVs to make a sound at speeds lower than 12mph
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systemd
rg287 is pretty much correct. Not all 2nd life batteries go to grid storage but more to stationary storage for things like UPS. Nissan and Renault run their own operations doing this for their batteries.
"There is also absolutely no sign of anything like this being planned or implemented, which I would say is the greatest obstacle to it actually happening within a decade (or two)" check out the FullyCharged Show channel on youtube, they've got a trip around a battery recycling facility. Once the current batteries have finished in the car and then finished the 2nd life job, they will be recycled,. Batteries with their clever battery management systems are lasting a lot longer than predicted, there are plenty of examples out there with EV taxis with 300-400k miles on them.
"The amount of electronics needed to actually run an ICE, even one equipped with all sorts of sensors, is minimal." not really, they are needed to help manage emissions by keeping the car corrected tuned all the time before the extras come into play. A lot of sensors are monitoring the engine.
"I said that EVs are not a clear win environmentally." still far better than anything fossil based even if the grid is totally coal powered.
"No persistent pollution from the creation and disposal of electronic components?" - thats an ICE vehicle problem too some ICE cars, like BMWs, have miles of wiring in them.
"No children being forced down hand-dug mines in some hellhole in Africa?" - they could be getting the cobalt to help refine oil into sulphur free diesel, petrol refineries use the same amount of electricity as a small city to refine their product . EV battery production gets its cobalt from proper verified sources.
"An EV needs lithium and cobalt, among other things, to make its battery pack." - they are producing EV batteries now that do not use cobalt. cobalt is also used heavily in the refining of fossil fuel so its "don't throw stones when standing in a glass house" argument.
"The mining of those minerals is incredibly destructive and unsustainable in its current form, and the disposal and any potential recycling are currently unsolved questions. " Mining is destructive in all forms but there is a chance for a circular industry and reduced need for mining in the future due to the recycling of the materials in a battery.
"the charging points, all of which take a lot of energy and resources to manufacture, and have no good way to be recycled" - how do you know this? can you cite a study?
there was hardly any documentation needed to trade with the EU under the current deal. No deal mean an estimated increase of about 200m new declarations to be filled in accurately (or get stopped at the border) - thats the price of being an outsider to the EU with no deal i.e. WTO rules.
Of course it would have been. UK is/was the springboard for most countries to the EU (nissan, honda etc). And according to Musk himself, he said Brexit was the a reason. No-one in their right mind would plink their business in the UK when they would be subject to tariffs to reach the 500M in the EU, cheaper to put into the EU and export to a puny 60M in the UK - even brexiter Dyson went to a country that had a trade agreement with the EU rather than do it in UK.
Lots of the posters need to do some research instead of guessing what charging times are ( e.g. 4-8 hours is overnight slow charging via the home electricity), the National grid has said that EVs do not pose a problem as most EVs will charge at night and help the grid when its quiet. All LED streetlights can be converted to also be a charging post. Rapid charging will only get better and faster as time moves, remember its taken 100+ years for fossil cars to get to this point of being sort of economical/reliable compared to their first 50 years. Just a few points for you to be getting on with - try Youtube channels like FullyChargedShow for more information.
"after all it's just the undemocratic, corrupt EU we're leaving" i see you are one of those brexiters that has no clue about reality. Post your proof about your claim. If you want to try the "it hasn't posted any accounts" lie, research the EU website first. (sorry, i know its against brexiters rules to research as it teaches truth but try it) The UK is more corrupt and undemocratic than anywhere in the EU i.e. it allows a minority government that represents less than 50% of the population to vote, it allows a corrupt referendum to stand, it allows government ministers to blatantly lie, etc etc
give it time, electricity will be taxed as petrol revenues go down, they will need to make up the shortfall somehow.
As solar appears on more and more roofs with their own battery storage there will be less and less call on the major grid power generators (and also more turbines). the problem with nuclear is the time it takes to safely build one and the time and horrendous cost to decommission it at end of its life (and would you live on the land of a decommissioned nuclear power station?)
Musk has only just started selling the tiles and you might need to do some more research on their "capability". You charge at night when its cheap and low demand, you don't need a supercharger at home except in very rare circumstances. All chargers can be inter-connected via microgrids and managed by software so the power is given out evenly and/or stopped if necessary. And those EV batteries can also be part of the grid supplying power back to it in emergencies. Powerwalls etc are a one off cost which will pay for itself whereas buying and burning coal, diesel, petrol is a continual cost. Plus its still early days in the move the renewables so any challenges will be mitigated.
"I said that the weak pound was more due to low interest rates than brexit and only the other day the pound gained back some lost ground when the bank of England talked of interest rates being raised." considering the rates have not gone up in 10 years, why did it take so long to devalue? No, its was the brexit vote that crashed it. And yes, interest rates going up will raise the value, personally i prefer lower interest rates but a sterling value based on the strength of the economy and investment.
Check out the population of the UK compared to the EU THEN check the deficit figures and see who needs who more based on the percentages. Anyway its the UK buying public who can change the UK trading deficit by spending their money on UK produced goods only (have fun with that).