Re: Irish angle
"Then I remember that my kids are going to have to face it all."
So are mine, and my grandchildren. But they, like SWMBO, can also claim Irish citizenship if they want.
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"They'll blame the EU for making it hard. They'll blame the Bank of England for devaluing the pound to try to prop up the economy. They'll blame everyone else"
It won't wash. The EU, BoE and everything else were all their when they conducted their campaign. They assured us there'd be no problem. It was their case that won the referendum. They have nowhere to hide.
"I'm just curious how this controlling our borders sits with leaving the RoI/NI border as it is."
I'm sure Leave had a plan and as they're now in charge of working everything out all they have to do is apply it. BoJo and his colleagues can make it work because with Brexit in place magic will happen.
"When you come looking to the London Liberal/loony lefties to replace the EU handouts you've been getting, don't be surprised if you are told to fuck off."
IIRC one Welsh Leave supporting MP, the day the result was announced, was demanding that HMG replace all the EU funding his constituency had been receiving.
"Mr Gove can't really have much involvement with 'making it happen', due to being not quite as clever as he thought he was"
So you're telling us that we've been manoeuvred into this position partly on account of the arguments of someone who's not as good as he thought he was. I'd rather we'd followed the advice of someone who was better than he thought he was.
"plus he's no longer a Minister of State"
This, I think, is a mistake. He should be set to work trying to make what he argued for work. If he isn't he'll try to blame failures on not being involved.
"If your favourite team loses a football match 2-1 do you petition FIFA to *retrospectively* change the rules of football so that you need to be two goals clear to win the match?"
This isn't a game. The vote can't change reality and reality is now what sort of a deal do we get and how adversely will it affect us, our children and our grandchildren. If you took and won a vote on abolishing gravity apples would still fall and planes would still need to keep moving above stalling speed to avoid flying out of the sky.
The reason why a referendum to change the status quo should have a substantial majority is to ensure that the country as a whole is sufficiently behind such a commitment and is prepared to accept the consequences if the reality isn't what they expected. The vote shows it isn't.
"But a brake on unskilled immigration ... is pretty feasible."
That depends on whether you think the UK should be able to continue selling cars from Nissan etc. into the EU. Because it's been made clear all along that single market access means labour as well as goods. All the Brexit voters in Sunderland etc. won't be happy if their workplaces start to run down once their current models reach end of life and all new investment stays in the EU.
It's a package, you don't get to pick and choose. I'd guess that's what May meant when she said "Brexit is Brexit".
'especially when they ran away after they "won".'
Boris, in case you haven't noticed, is now Foreign Sec so having to do his best(!) to make it work(!) despite the fact that his response to the referendum result seems to have been "no hurry". Nigel, well, he wasn't ever in danger of that. He's wasn't going to have been in the governing party whoever won in 2015. His objective was to get the referendum; I doubt lifting a finger to make Brexit work was ever part of his reckoning.
However, I think Gove and minor lights such as Bill Cash should have been included in the Brexit chain gang.
"http://smallurl.co/fXjiV"
That reminded me of the aftermath of an election many years ago. As usual nobody could be bothered to take down election posters. There were a fair number of DUP posters along my normal commuting route. As ever the pigments faded at different rates. Paisley senior ended up with a green face.
"This has to work (for some value of work) and it is the administrative detail - layers of it - that will determine the extent to which it works."
And it's down to those who thought it could work to make it work. Why should everyone who's said it couldn't - and still say it can't - be expected to waste their time (which is how they'll see it) trying to do what they consider impossible.
"the ability to respawn processes on failure."
Let's start from the assumption that a process should not fail.
If it has failed what should an admin do about it? It might have failed, for instance, because the process had lost one of its disks.
Investigating would be a good idea. In fact it's such a good idea that the correct sequence is investigate, fix, restart. In that circumstance is it a good idea to have some automated process restart it before the admin has chance to look at the problem? Apart from the impediment to investigating the cause of failure there's a chance that the automated restart might corrupt data. If the process fails on restart we have the prospect of systemd running round like an ADHD child repeatedly crashing the system.
Oh, yes, I could set up systemd to not restart that process. So why would I want to have it in the first place?
"Only to find out your country's undergoing hyperinflation and all the cash you buried isn't worth the paper on which it was printed."
Alternatively you might find that interest rates have gone negative so your buried money's worth more than it might have been in the bank.
"Only if something is spotted does a person start looking, and sooner or later they have to get a warrant."
Sooner or later? What's wrong with sooner? And from whom do they get the warrant; a senior officer or a politician? We should have due process of law. The fact that it's a principle that's over 8 centuries old (remember the hypocritical celebration of that last year) doesn't mean it should be out of date.
"believe me, They are not interested in Us. I went to a privileged university with some of Them."
If You went to a privileged university with some of Them it makes us (with a lower case u) less inclined to believe You.