Re: There is always Monaco
Perhaps this could be kept up until there aren't any Brexiteers left in Britain.
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"What about lorry drivers taking goods to destinations within Kent?"
Two lorries meet up back to back at either side of the border and transfer the goods from one to the other, then return to their respective counties.
Alternatively I'm sure there are a few back roads that can be used as was the arrangement between RoI & NI. Even better if you can find a farm that actually straddles the border.
The foreseeable consequence: someone leaves under investigation, is cleared, sues and takes them for a bundle.
Second foreseeable consequence: investigations pressured to come up with the "right" answer whatever the facts.
Third foreseeable consequence: someone leaves under investigation, investigation comes up with the "right" facts, leaver sues, proves that the "right" facts weren't right and takes them for the biggest bundle yet.
I suppose it might ruin the fun but it would be a good idea for IT departments to set up a rule that all call-outs to re-load or change printer paper, switch on printers, PCs, monitors etc. or plug in their power cords will be charged back to the department at an appropriate professional rate; the minimum will be 1 hour even if it's to the next desk.
From the experience of filling in time sheets allegedly attempting such analysis:
1. That doesn't fill me with any confidence in the results lying anywhere between wild guesses and entirely arbitrary invention.
2. The survey will not have attempted to analyse its own cost in terms of time spent.
"This is the nature of contract work"
It sounds more like breach of contract. In their position I'd be taking a careful look at contract terms, getting a legal opinion, reviewing how much in the lurch BT would be and then terminating ASAP, preferably with no notice at all. Then opening new negotiations.
"All track and trace systems can and should yield false positives, this is fine as long as you also pick up the true positives."
It's what we call a presumptive test and the role, the only role, of a presumptive test is to identify cases for a definitive test. The infrastructure for definitive tests should have been planned for and put in place.
"Quarantine in response to notification from the app is voluntary, so you will not be fined if you ignore it (although you will likely be an idiot)."
After a few successive quarantines with no sign of symptoms you might be inclined to place the idiocy indicator elsewhere.
It sounds familiar. Start to produce a world beating xxxxx from a position of total ignorance and end up with something that falls flat on its face. In a few months they'll probably come out with something along the lines suggested in the link.
Hand-washing was part of the early instructions here along with lock-down but not masks. The package as a whole resulted in transmission rates falling abruptly
From a population point of view its a matter of numbers. If a given set of precautions is sufficient to bring R below 1 in a given situation then it will reduce the numbers of infections. If that happened in Vietnam for one particular set of precautions, fine*. Another set worked here in the UK.
From an individual point of view things are different. Family in my generation and our friends are at heightened risk due to age and possibly other health conditions. Mere hand-washing probably wouldn't have sufficed for us so we have had very limited contact with others and by-and-large are maintaining that.
I think what's happening now is much the same as the aftermath of Y2K. Then we had people saying it was a false alarm because nothing went wrong when we know that nothing went wrong because a genuine alarm was heeded. We now have people thinking that because they caught nothing up to now it was a fuss about nothing.
Yes there are idiots of all ages. The OP's comment, however, singled out young people and a group of older people of a certain attitude. The latter are at risk because of a combination of their age, which they can no more help than I can, and their attitude which they can do something about. If they choose to act foolishly my sympathy lies entirely with those to whom they pass on infections.
* I wonder what the age distribution is in Vietnam. In a predominantly young population the level of illness, if not of actual infections, might be lower n any case.
Remember that humans are a novel environment for this virus. It hasn't had the evolutionary time to adapt that older respiratory viruses have. What's more, the availability of medical treatment will have greatly reduced the deaths of individual hosts so the selection pressure is much reduced. The likelihood is that it will evolve.
I should point out to the downvoters that I'm very definitely an older person (as is my wife who has the additional risk factor of type 2 diabetes). I also have an aversion to being told what to do which goes back at least to compulsory Latin in school.
OTOH I recognise serious warnings and advice for what they are. I also spent half my working life as a biologist well able to look at things from the point of view of the species rather than the individual.
So when, the other day, I heard some nuppit probably the best part of a decade younger and possibly with drink taken, effing and blinding to the door attendant at Morrisons about restrictions I had no problem placing him as part of the problem, not the solution.
The downside of this, of course, is that a Darwin award for such individuals is that it's too late to have a real effect on the gene pool.
"Any data gathered via the QR coding cannot be pinpointed to an individual (supposedly)"
The way it works is that the device retains the QR code and the system periodically broadcasts a list of QR codes for tainted (in absence of a better word) premises. The app then matches this list against the codes it's gathered and warns the user so the data gathered from the QR codes never leaves the device. Allegedly. And by now I think HMG is well aware that it would never weather the consequences if it proved to be otherwise.
In fact I think they're missing a trick here. The app registers the user's home postcode and the system broadcasts lists of postcodes which are considered to be hotspots so it can warn the user if and when their own postcode is put on the list. There's no mention of the QR codes including the premises postcodes; if they did it could alert the user tot he fact thet they're now in a hotspot even if the particular premises aren't tainted.
"I believe that humanity has never previously developed immunity to a coronavirus previously"
That's not a testable hypothesis. If it has the virus will now be extinct and we'd be none the wiser.
We do, however, have several coronaviruses that cause mild diseases*. What's the nature of this interaction? Did they start off as equally lethal and evolve to respond to some sort of control from the host so as not to kill off the latter?
* And the current coronavirus, like others, is not lethal in its original host.
Point taken. Nevertheless I think the Cummings incident and failure to deal with it was a turning point. Call it authority, respect, credibility or whatever; up to that point public opinion was supportive. Now Covidiots have a certain degree of licence. It will take a massive increase in death toll to get that support back.