I am pretty sure that was a parody account and senior Twit jumped in on it, but the the reg author is sharing it as news
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Hana-hana-hana: No it's not your dad trying to start a motorboat... It's Northern Gas, renewing its SAP software
Re: What's next?
BS7 is really a product called ECC 6.0 which has a multitude of different component versions
S/4 is similar that it can be at different component versions
2040 is their current planned end of MAINSTREAM maintenance but I would predict that will be extended at a later time, perhaps for customers on component version XYZ
Re: SAP Update
2025 is the end of extended support on most SAP products like the core ERP and CRM - as per http://support.sap.com/pam
At this time customers can decide to go to a HANA product, stay with existing product with a more expensive support cost (suspect the huge companies will go for this) or ditch SAP support and goto a 3rd party vendor for support (is even a valid option now)
Cannot say I have ever herd SAP putting their prices down, so you are probably correct there ;)
Wow a lot of SAP hate here :)
A few corrections...
HANA is actually something originally created by professor SangKyun Cha in Korea and not a MaxDB (MaxDB is poor) clone
The NetWever stack base language us ABAP not ABAB but there are a lot more movements in terms of using OData and Java etc depending on which SAP technology and product line you are talking about
With regards the general hate and comments, these are often based on valid concerns but not as simple as saying 'It's SAPs fault' as these can often relate to a multitude of complex problems with partners/consulting firms etc... Far too many to cover here and not all SAP issues, could be applied to any customer running legacy products or poorly implemented ones
In terms of the article I would agree this is a poor choice of product name, but don't worry as SAP change their product names every few months anyway :)
I do not feel SAP have given much clarity in terms of CRM yet, but the usual thing is for a big announcement from the top and then clarity will follow on
All just my opinions, I am not an employee of SAP or their partners, I am a customer of SAP
SAP is a huge part of our business and we could not have achieved such success without it.
None of this is to say that SAP are perfect and have it all right, far from it - but they are doing their best to adapt and adopt to modern challenges
Re: Don't know if SAP has changed recently.
What product / version of SAP which only recently got updated to unicode?
Sounds awfully ancient as from my experience SAP products have been unicode from early 2000's and for several years SAP have not offered new installations to be non-unicode
I do feel sorry for their support bods having to support so many different mixes of technology, but the theory of this product alignment is to stop all that (in practice this will take several years and things will change along the way)
There is still a long way to go, especially to align the different technology stacks without complex middleware integrations
Why the hate?
Perhaps I am being naive here, but this genuinely seems to be moving the correct direction.
My thoughts -
1) Is SAP too expensive at list price = god yes, who could ever actually afford to pay list?
2) If you get caught short will you have to pay out at list = it depends (sales negotiation begins, lawsuit if things get really bad, but who really wants to go legal?)
3) Are SAP trying to do 'the right thing' - yes
4) Are things still too complicated - yes
In my dealing as a SAP customer (both direct customer and via a reseller) the common problem is a lack of clarity. Much like with the software itself SAP have 'baggage' to consider when adjusting their pricing/licensing models
To find clear definitions and an answer other than 'it depends' is often a problem
At the end of the day I want to pay what I believe is a fair price for SAP and I have no intention of deliberately cheating them on license fees
Sure the numbers can be scary, but if you set out with honest intent then I do not see why an open conversation with SAP should be avoided.
We will need to wait a couple of months for the operations on the ground to catch up with the SAP PR machine however
My two cents
SAP face many challenges while encouraging uptake... very few companies will jump in as early adopters, the cost was originally prohibitive, renegotiating contracts takes time, existing hosting arrangements wont meet the min specs but are typically long term commitments with datacentres etc.
My organisation will be replatforming onto HANA as our core DB in 1.5 years.
The traditional SQL just doesn't cut the mustard anymore, we are pushing the systems well beyond their capabilities and need a better DB to achieve the real time results people expect these days.
IMHO SAP bashing is easy to do, they are far from a perfect company but do have some solid products, despite some having a track record of borked deployments by partners, but the thousands of successful deployments never make the press.
I hate to see SAP being blamed as default, yes it is BIG, complex and can often be frustrating.
But nine times out of ten the problems are self created by people failing to appreciate these facts, doing silly projects without the understanding, expertise or resources required.
Nobody ever mentions the countless successful implementations, when they fail they fail BIG time and get a lot of press/comments.