* Posts by Levente Szileszky

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ROGUE SAIL BOAT blocks SPACE STATION PODULE blastoff

Levente Szileszky

Re: No Range safety boats?

Around here (US Northeast) it is the same, you should listen to VHF ch 16 (aka hail and distress) - but this is not mandatory unless you are a commercial vessel and once they have GMDSS installed they don't have to watch VHF16 anymore.

I'll cap internet tax, says Hungarian PM as mob attacks his party HQ

Levente Szileszky

According to the US charges d'affair in Budapest it was a well-behaving, peaceful crowd...

...but the most troubling was not that apparently few idiots joined the crowd only to make trouble, it was the government spokesman (!!!) who immediately attacked Goodfriend on Twitter, in a ridiculously childish manner for observing the protest - the exchange speaks for itself, one can clearly see the effect of cronyism in Hungarian foreign affairs: https://twitter.com/GoodfriendMA/status/526798406422106112

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Re: Hmmm.... Isn't this the political party

Bingo. They replaced Supreme Court judges with sock-puppets, then proceeded to write a new constitution, then entirely new laws, reorganized the justice system, filling up the judges with cronies and hand-picked servants (fun fact: the chairwoman of the National Judiciary Office, the highest authority overseeing them is T. Hando, wife of the buy who actually wrote the new "basic law" on his iPad: J. Szajer, former VP of the ruling party until becoming MEP, now vice-chairman of the European People's Party in the EP*), while nationalizing as much as they can in the economy and handing it over to their oligarchs (in form of procured orders etc.)

* The Guardian wrote about it back then: http://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/mar/20/tunde-hando-hungarian-judges

Schneier, Diffie, ex-MI5 bod, privacy advocates team up on Code Red

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Re: Long overdue

"Except that in the case of Bruce Schneier, he didn't complain about such surveillance when it was his employer doing it.

I guess spying on people is OK if it's for profit and not for the government."

Clearly sounds like either someone with no clue what's taking about....

...or perhaps is it that the smear campaign already started from NSA/GCHQ/etc?

Happy 2nd birthday, Windows 8 and Surface: Anatomy of a disaster

Levente Szileszky

Re: Sinofsky

Uhh, don't forget VP Belfiore, he's might have done more damage than Sinofsky. From the outside he's the classic archetype of the all-too-common unmitigated Ballmerian managerial disaster, that still just keeps rising and rising - no matter how big of a clusterfuck he produced Joe just keeps getting promoted: IE4, Windows eHome, Windows Media Center, Zune and the current ongoing royal fuckup called Windows Phone, with its missing features, continuously non-upgradable iterations year after year... aye and he's the reigning "UI design king", don't forget whenyou think about your current UX. =)

Microsoft and Dell’s cloud in a box: Instant Azure for the data centre

Levente Szileszky

"Significantly cheaper than doing this yourself, when you take into account the cost of building and maintaining a data centre, buying licensing."

Sorry but it's BS, typical of clueless MSFT marketing monkeys. People don't build DCs, they build server rooms, with one or two racks. As Trevor pointed out Azure's pricing is nonsensical when it's compared to a typical one rack cabinet worth of on-premise server, storage and networking stack including 3-y/4-hr support. If you have decent bargaining skills I can literally guarantee you will beat your comparable 3-y Azure quote at l;east by 50% if not more. And there are the usage details where cloud also fails: having 10GbE to the desktop is a no-brainer, costs very little extra nowadays (I run 10Gb to our WS for ~4 years now) - imagine your internet AND/OR your VDI bill when you want to do something similarly high-end in your cloud...

...did mention that anyone with existing infrastructure can get a huge discount after 3-4 year from any server or storage vendor?

The reality is that the pure cloud-base pitch makes clueless CEOs and alikes excited (mainly because they believe it'd save money for their bonuses but they are wrong) but most CIOs/CTOs know that beyond basic docs/email/web/etc usage it brings its own issues and when something happens you don't even have the hardware in your server room with your latest data on it.

I firmly believe hybrid cloud is the best pitch cloud providers can make and MSFT is YEAAARS behind... they should brought out integrated hybrid cloud offering with Server 2012, at least in 2012 clusters, with a one-click built-in Azure feature-set: mirrored cluster config in Azure, default DR, backup etc. It's almost 2015 and it's still not there and Ballmer was still stroking his idiotic tablet & devices plans - incompetency at its worst, they wasted years and billions chasing something they have little to do with while letting a huge market opportunity slowly disappear.

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Exactly, see my point above. MSFT missed its HUGE chance to define the hybrid cloud and make it super-easy for SMBs to transition to an Azure-based hybrid solution with their Windows-based server and storage infrastructure.

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Well, it was about time, for MSFT to take out SC to the back and...

...shoot it - it was really-really awkward from the beginning and while it was only logical they quickly add/implement the hybrid cloud option (I actually expected it to arrive many years ago, that's why I gave it several spin around the 2008 R2-2012 transition) they never did it, it was always a rather clunky, complex system of all sorts of things plugged together, with constant issues.

AMD-AMMIT! Hundreds face axe at chip maker as PC, graphics crash

Levente Szileszky

Re: Sell to ARM?

As I recall AMD was already making ARM (StrongARM? XScale?) processors at some point in the past, like 10+ years ago...? Or was it some non-Intel x86 for embedded systems...?

AMD pays new CEO $150K LESS than her male predecessor

Levente Szileszky

" $1m that former Lenovo exec Read received each month."

WHaaaaa...? Tell me that's a typo.

Was Nokia's Elop history's worst CEO?

Levente Szileszky

No, silly... he was the Torjan horse of Blammer...

...as many of us we predicted on these pages as soon as his name came up first, well ahead of his tenure and the eventual sellout. He was a beancounter with no meaningful experience, it was OBVIOUS he's there to bring down the price of Nokia's excellent hardware/design divbision and top-notch worldwide distribution channel, that's all MSFT wanted from the beginning, nothing else, and those utterly clueless idiots sitting on the board of Nokia went along with it, causing probably the single biggest shareholder loss in Finnish history. They ought to be sued off everything, even their apartments, cars, pants.

Levente Szileszky

Re: No-one gets away scott free

"The burning platforms memo was the biggest act of corporate suicide since Gerald Ratner described his own jewellery as a bit shit."

Yes, he should've been fired right there, on that moment, for melting down 50% of Nokia on the market in ONE F'N DAY. But then again, the board was full of clueless idiots who went along all the way with this incredible hostile corporate value destruction.

Linux systemd dev says open source is 'SICK', kernel community 'awful'

Levente Szileszky

Since systemd is quite controversial...

...he got a bucket of crap poured all over him time by time, I bet (FWIW I see the point behind systemd but the crap that comes with it defeats the pupose, I think and it should not be default in any distro.)

"Poettering said Torvalds' confrontational and often foul-mouthed management style is "not an efficient way to run a community" and that it sets an example that is followed by other kernel developers, creating a hostile environment for newcomers."

I'm fine with calling out LT for his foulmouthed posts etc but I failed to see the point about LT's mgmt style: he manages everything openly and it IS definitely a MUCH MORE EFFICIENT way than some kind of shady private dealings behind each others back, a practice that would emerge from any other mgmt style at this size.

"The Linux community is dominated by western, white, straight, males in their 30s and 40s these days,"

Yeah, sorry for us being white etc but it was developed and released by a Western, white, straight male, who is now in his 40s, just like many of us, his early users & backers, who kept pushing it so others took notice and started developing it. I could say it's part of the baggage, deal with it - but it's really a stupid, somewhat sinister point so I'd say just drop it altogether, you have zero argument here... no, it's not a closed (=racist) community and after laziness language and technical barriers are the two most common factors behind non-participation, not race, gender or sexual preference. Your point is just stupid, sorry.

"I perfectly fit in that pattern, and the rubbish they pour over me is awful. I can only imagine that it is much worse for members of minorities, or people from different cultural backgrounds,"

You're saying... what? You're white etc but you get all the crap due to your bad code so you assume minorities, 'people from different cultural background' make even worse contributions so they get even more crap...? That would quite a racist comment, don't you think...?

"in particular ones where losing face is a major issue."

Oh PLEAHSE, not THIS crap - this fake 'cultural sensitivity" BS is the lamest of all.

It is a TECHNICAL community, first and foremost, WITH ITS OWN CULTURAL BACKGROUND too and aside of treating everybody with basic respect NOBODY SHOULD GIVE A FLYING *&^%$ about individual 'cultural sensitivities', absolutely not, hell no. Say it out loud if (s)he messed up something, if (s)he's wrong - and the person should grow the hell up and take it or be able to defend his/her point if (s)he thinks (s)he's still right.

That's the only way to maintain a healthy conversation, PC BS should not be even considered, your suggestion otherwise is absolutely awful. What's next, if someone cracks a joke about something politically incorrect then he should be disciplined? Screw that - I want to see technical advancement, not nice chitchat about everybody's curry recipe, sorry. If you want that take it to forums that are in such business and start throwing your purses over there when someone does not like your recipes..

"As a result of the behavior of Torvalds and a few other core kernel developers, he said, he hasn't posted to the Linux kernel mailing list "in years"

So somehow, suddenly just now, you realized it was all awful back then? And just how relevant it is now? See, I'm perfectly fine staying on the reader side and can just skim over stupid posts - how come you, who knew it so well, cannot? Perhaps you're just missing the attention...?

" – although he added that the systemd development community is "fantastic."

Perhaps that has to do with the culture too, hmm...?

"If you are a newcomer to Linux, either grow a really thick skin. Or run away, it's not a friendly place to be in," Poettering wrote by way of advice. "It is sad that it is that way, but it certainly is." ®

No, it's not sad - it is simply just what it is. And yes, in part THAT'S WHY IT IS WHAT IT IS TODAY, that's how it grows.

Windows 10 feedback: 'Microsoft, please do a deal with Google to use its browser'

Levente Szileszky

Actually mixed search results ARE THE IDEAL WAY to get an all-powerful search feature...

...not a separate one, whoever says it should be separate is an idiot.

I start typing and starts showing ALL the results, categorized eg Programs, Communication (emails, chats, texts etc), Google results, Bing results (eg KB results) etc. Yes, all in one pane, that's the point.

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Re: It's stupid but...

No, that's 361 idiots there who does not get the whole point, who are stuck on their stupid, ass-backward ways of searching for things. It is slower, it is less effective etc to keep them separate - I bet I get stuff done a lot faster than they do.

Levente Szileszky

Re: It's stupid but...

"For example, what twat came up with the idea of combining the search bar and the address bar?"

You mean the same way Chrome is doing it for ages now...?

Levente Szileszky

Re: Stop. Just Stop.

"Firefox and Chrome they'll try and install all kinds of shite by defaut"

Never seen FF trying to install anything. Chrome, yes, I recall - but then again, once you installed them you only update them and that means no 4rd party "shite" as you so eloquently put it...

Wide Open Data: NYC taxi dump catches strip club Johns

Levente Szileszky

What, no...

...prices included (from the gent's club)?

SHELLSHOCKED: Fortune 1000 outfits Bash out batches of patches

Levente Szileszky

It's not one patch but actually FOUR (4) CVEs...

...at least according to Red Hat:

CVE-2014-6271

CVE-2014-7169

CVE-2014-7186

CVE-2014-7187

More details here: https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/26/frequently-asked-questions-about-the-shellshock-bash-flaws/

Good grief! Have you seen BlackBerry's square smartphone?

Levente Szileszky

Re: as useful

Huh? Having a proper touchpad AND a proper keyboard is probably the most useful innovation on a mobile device in years...

...I know, I know, a stupid clueless AC is a just a stupid clueless AC, no need to reply, I know.

Sony says year's losses will be four times deeper than thought

Levente Szileszky

Stop going for the low-end...

...and keep making & selling high-end Xperia phones, Sony. Low-end might gets you numbers but will certainly cut into your profits, for sure.

Levente Szileszky

Yeah, too bad the Xbone is not even capable to play games in 1080p - it's unlikely to make any dent in PS4 sales (HINT: it's 2014, nobody except a complete idiot buys a $400 console to play back torrented videos when literally any phone, tablet etc can do that.)

NetApp's running with the big dogs: All-flash FlashRay hits the street

Levente Szileszky

Price?

It's all free marketing talk without at least a ballpark number, sorry.

T-Mobile US goes gaga for Wi-Fi calling, AT&T to launch in 2015

Levente Szileszky

Re: You realize this is going to work on older iPhones too?

You realize theat they ALL USED TO HAVE it , TOO? It's just when TackyOS (a' la J.IVE) arrived they broke all provider (TMO) compatibility.

Levente Szileszky

Re: Why?

"so as the article notes it needs a T-Mobile-specific firmware for it to work."

It's actually not true as it's still not more than a couple secure extra packages installed - the keyword is "secure" so you cannot install yourself (in the early years I used to but then few years ago they made it much harder and subsequently they bumped up their coverage in NYC to the current level of greatness so I don't care anymore.)

Levente Szileszky

Re: Why?

'E.g, when you're a T-Mobile US customer"

...and you also happen to be a classic inbreeding redneck somewhere waaay out in the sticks - otherwise you enjoy decent signal on TMO practically everywhere like the rest of us do, people living in civilized (metropolitan) areas, approx 85% of the US population, according to the 2011 Census Bureau stats.

I, for one, am glad that TMO is not spending any money on covering remote man-hunting, gun-touting, sister-loving communities, religious sects and alikes. Once got to the point when in our civililzed areas we are all enjoying our daily 100Mbit LTE speeds and using VoLTE then I'll be fine with spending the profits on extending coverage to the nomads - until then they should pay for VZW (they save enough on housing, hah.)

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Classic case of pure BS Apple propaganda while simply using exisiting tech...

...and trying to sell it as some sort of "new innovation" - WiFI Calling, brouhahahaha... I seriously cannot recall how many years ago T-Mobile started shipping every phone with WiFi Calling including iPhones running iOS < the tacky one (v7)...

...just how long the media will ignore the numerous Apple elephants in the room, only to save their stock investment...?

Microsoft's rumoured $2.5bn Minecraft gobble expected on Monday

Levente Szileszky

And the insanity continues - so much for the "but new CEO" hopes...

..., he's doing the same lunatic crap the angry, fat, bald, chair-throwing beancounter was doing.

Who on Earth would buy a digi-watch? Answer: NUDISTS - in their millions

Levente Szileszky

Provided it is waterproof, dustproof etc...

...which it isn't - because then it would be a Sony one.

Would Apple godhead Steve Jobs have HATED the Watch?

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Re: DNA?

His own - it's been turned into a shrine.

Levente Szileszky

Re: Extra, Extra, The Daily Sermon from Rev Jasper is here

After having to suffer Myslewski's constant barrage of pro-Apple propaganda BS for years it's actually sort of refreshing...

Levente Szileszky

It looks incredibly TACKY...

...especially for the price - and on top of that it sounds like this watch will offer a limited, narrow functionality.

I feel like we just made a jump back in time to the old 1994-2004 Apple, with its laughably overpriced but awful machines.

Amazon axes hated Fire Phone price: 99 pennies but a niche? Ain't none

Levente Szileszky

Re: Reminds me of Blackberry (bury?)

Nah, this is nothing like that, it is a valid option, they are just awfully clueless at marketing and execution, it seems.

This phone runs an Android fork and since Amazon is one of the few real app store owners they could easily make it successful - but not at this price point (market is waaay too saturated for this, they have to "buy in" to get meaningful market share) and definitely not by tying it to the most abhorrent, most disgusting, shittiest provider in America (they need to offer it through T-Mobile etc or AT LEAST make it available unlocked with an interest-free monthly payment plan with zero down payment.)

At ~$17/month w/ an extra year of Amazon Prime extension added to my account I'd get one for my wife to tame her oniomania - but the current offerings (AT&T or $450) are very far from anything I'm willing to even just seriously consider...

Levente Szileszky

Re: 2 year ATT contract?

Exactly. No one wants to switch to the shittiest provider a.k.a. AT&T by default, much less for a brand-new, never-heard-of new Android phone.

And even if you would give it a run it only comes unlocked with a $450 price tag - you gotta be freakin' kidding me, Mr Bezos. Even if I consider the 1-year free Prime extension tacked on ($99) it's still $350 upfront... why on Earth Amazon does not offer *any* payment plan, like T-Mobile's highly successful Equipment Installment Plan (EIP) where it is decoupled from your plan and you pay its monthly fee independently?

Amazon should drop it's price to $399 and offer it with an optional payment plan with no strings attached - just like TMO does wiuth EIP, they even take the phone back anytime (sans refurb offerings), clearing off any remaining payments (sort of like renting your phone.)

We're not on the Gartner Magic Quadrant? Just imagine our concern, says HDS

Levente Szileszky

Re: proverb?

Not only I never cared about it but actually never heard of anyone in my tier (decision-maker) giving a flying frog about it. It's one of those services that were created by marketing people, serves marketing people, run by marketing people - in short it exists only to give marketing people a job, it means nothing else, serves no purpose for anyone else.

China building SUPERSONIC SUBMARINE that travels in a BUBBLE

Levente Szileszky

Re: Because thats what sea life wants!

"They would say so, wouldn't they? Especially to the Poles, to whom they want to flog their missile defence systems, no?"

Quite the opposite - the Poles are (understandably) desperate to get them for years now. US was always vary of installing such powerful systems, even if it's a clearly defense-only one, so close to the Russians. NATO simply did not want to give Putin an excuse to ignore the NATO-Russia Founding Act of 1997, even despite it never contained any provision that would put an *actual* limit on NATO deployment options - although Yeltsin was often claiming of putting "an obligation not to deploy NATO combat forces on a permanent basis near Russia"... despite all this NATO always kept the Russian beliefs and sensitivity in mind...

...and yet it was actually Putin who just flushed it down the toilet, starting with its *actual* signed article about the inviolability of sovereign borders in Europe, as it's clearly spelled out in Section I:

"I. Principles

In implementing the provisions in this Act, NATO and Russia will observe in good faith their obligations under international law and international instruments, including the obligations of the United Nations Charter and the provisions of the Universal Declaration on Human Rights as well as their commitments under the Helsinki Final Act and subsequent OSCE documents, including the Charter of Paris and the documents adopted at the Lisbon OSCE Summit.

To achieve the aims of this Act, NATO and Russia will base their relations on a shared commitment to the following principles:

development, on the basis of transparency, of a strong, stable, enduring and equal partnership and of cooperation to strengthen security and stability in the Euro-Atlantic area;

acknowledgement of the vital role that democracy, political pluralism, the rule of law, and respect for human rights and civil liberties and the development of free market economies play in the development of common prosperity and comprehensive security;

refraining from the threat or use of force against each other as well as against any other state, its sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence in any manner inconsistent with the United Nations Charter and with the Declaration of Principles Guiding Relations Between Participating States contained in the Helsinki Final Act;

respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means to ensure their own security, the inviolability of borders and peoples' right of self-determination as enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act and other OSCE documents;

(...)"

And so on and so forth. Read it in its entirety here: http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_25468.htm

Well, as we just learned not only given words do not mean anything but even signed, bounding agreements mean nothing to this bewildered, sneaky, spineless ex-KGB attack dog who runs Russia nowadays... too bad, Russians once again heading to the sewage tank of history, thanks to this mini-tzar and his ilks running amok in their neighborhood.

Levente Szileszky

Re: Because thats what sea life wants!

Someone is watching too much Russia Today or Chinese TV propaganda...

FYI the SSN22 threat was taken care of when Raytheon started shipping SeaRAM, its drop-in 11-missile upgrade for the Phalanx platform: http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/searam/

As for the old DF21 Aegis' RIM-161 (already deployed by USN and JMSDF) is capable to track and take down *hundreds* of incoming Chinese/Russian/etc ICBMs (and no enemy airplanes will fly anywhere near to any USN carrier strike group in combat, I guarantee that.)

Time Warner Cable customers SQUEAL as US network goes offline

Levente Szileszky

Time Warner Cable, the archetype of a poorly-run, dirt-cheap network of a profit-greedy company.....

...and that's what you get ^10 if they will be allowed to merge with Comcast, the worst of all.

NYC, LA mayors hammer Comcast-Time Warner Cable merger

Levente Szileszky

Mr Mayor, we MUST STOP THIS or NYC gets...

...even lower on the worldwide list - and it's already way-way down...

Outside of Manhattan it is essentially a SINGLE-PROVIDER TOWN, there is no choice almost everywhere in Brooklyn, Queens and The Bronx, as well as Staten Island, thanks to the silent monopoly-agreement between Cablevision and Time Warner Cable - the two giants who do NOT enter each others' street are so arrogant that in parts of Brooklyn they serve every 2-3 blocks then let the other one take that slice of the cake, they so obviously chopped up the neighborhoods it is truly breathtaking...

...no wonder they are so arrogant: Sen "Wall St Chuck" Schumer (D-NY), living in one of these Brooklyn neighborhoods (the same one you and I live, Mr Mayor) actually sits on the "Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights" in the Senate and - icing on the cake - he is the brother of Robert Schumer, one of the the main lawyers working on the planned TWC-Comcast merger... little surprise that he praised this almost universally hated merger, right?

http://blog.littlesis.org/2014/02/17/schumer-reassures-new-york-about-comcast-time-warner-cable-deal-doesnt-mention-his-brother-was-the-dealmaker/

Wall Street woes: Oh noes, tech titans aren't using bankers

Levente Szileszky

The faster the parasites go extinct...

...the better for everyone.

Now let's move on and make a move on Government Sach's (et al) completely illegal HFT practices

AMD slaps 'Radeon' label on Tosh flash: >Beard stroke< Hmm, cunning ...

Levente Szileszky

Re: OCZ!!!!!!

It was bought by Toshiba long time ago, stop with your inane nonsense.

VMware hangs with the cool kids in the Containers gang

Levente Szileszky

Re: More like 2000

Well said except the Windows part: virtual apps etc are a still steaming pile of crap on Windows compared to other platforms, even today, not to mention MED-V deploys an entire XP image, APP-V is aiming streaming etc.

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Re: HUH??

Chroot is NOT a container - I suggest reading up on the subject: https://docker.com/whatisdocker/

YES YES YES! Apple patents mousy, pressure-sensing iVibrator

Levente Szileszky

iBrator...

...is the right name.

Violin strings up cheaper instrument: 17.5TB flash box for $100k + change

Levente Szileszky

Better cost a LOT less than $100k...

...or be a LOT faster than the numbers I've heard from them last year otherwise it's still the same story like with the 6200-series: expensive as hell yet less-than-impressive bandwidth for a all-flash unit.

Simian selfie stupidity: Macaque snap sparks Wikipedia copyright row

Levente Szileszky

Re: Good article.

"he rules are that something is not public domain unless the creator says otherwise.... Well? Who said otherwise, Jimmy?"

Uhh, hate to brake it to you but the law says otherwise - you got it exactly (ass-)backwards: UNLESS it's claimed by someone it is public domain BY DEFAULT.

"Who said otherwise, Jimmy?"

Umm, everybody, heyrick.

London cops cuff 20-year-old man for unblocking blocked websites

Levente Szileszky

I'm still confused: since when my tax dollars meant to be put to work for media companies...?

And how about literally LIMITING what someone can read/watch...?

To me the former is totally against any democratic setup, the latter is the square opposite of freedom, both regardless how all the media scumbags and their unabashed mouthpieces try to present it otherwise... (Hello, Mr Biden and your good friend, ex-Sen Dodd, now head of the MPAA - how are you two doing today, can any of you tell us who'll the MPAA arrest next time overseas, preferably in a local SWAT operation and what kind of utterly and laughably fake stats you will present against the resulting shitstorm?)

Yes, Australia's government SHOULD store comms metadata

Levente Szileszky

Most insane argument on ElReg in a loooong time...

...so let me get this straight: the AUS gov (you know, long considered to be the most servient one to foreign interests among any Western-style democracy) SHOULD retain metadata (=who called whom, when, where, how long, what kind of handsets etc.), of which they are the biggest USERS (=zero third-party interests to provide some protection from abusive overuse) because...

....just BECAUSE THEY already have DCs and THEY CAN?

Wow.

Just wow.

PS: I think someone really need to take his medication as the doctor prescribed it (or get off the payroll of certain government agencies.)

Facebook: Want to stay in touch? Then it's Messenger or NOTHING

Levente Szileszky

You want to play hardball? Fine.

Well, then I will stop using it on my phone altogether, you arrogant twat...

...Mr Sugarhill - it's your call.

Samsung Z Tizen OS mobe is post-phoned – this time for good?

Levente Szileszky

This is projectware...

...nothing else at this point. At least Blackberry realized - almost too late but at least they did it - it's the lesser of two evils to piggyback on another ecosystem for apps (ie Android.)

The Koreans probably realized that being this late to the party means that trying to do all the heavy lifting (ie fostering new OS ecosystem) alone is a herculean task even for the most established OS giants like MSFT, so it would definitely break the back of any newcomer OS, even if its sugar daddy (Samsung) is otherwise among the richest guys on the (mobile) block...