Re: Estimates of SpaceX's launch cost
Any reason for the downvote or just hatred for Musk ?
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There are plenty of CaaS solutions for on-prem cloud run apps, most advertised with the ability to cloud balance or cloud burst.
SaaS is a bit different cost wise as you generally won't be paying a hosting cost and hosting will almost certainly be shared, so hosting will be bundled into the overall charge so little chance of bringing it on-prem and generally you wouldn't want to.
Badly architected applications who think that being in 'the cloud' automatically means HA. Being in the cloud is no different to on-prem, architect for multiple instances with load balancers and realtime data replication if your application is that important.
Military are already testing rapid deployment, currently with orbital loads. Rocket Labs recently set a record for 17 hours from initial phone call to payload in orbit, I believe that was a 'unpreped' rocket. That included transporting the payload to launch site.
Crazy as it sounds, despite the size Starship prop load time is faster that F9 at under an hour, including pre-chill its around 5 hours. However if SpaceX ever reach their goal of multiple launches per day per site then in theory they wouldn't need to schedule a new launch and military could replace the payload on the next launch which might only be a few hours time. And you would keep your payloads at the launch site ready to go.
SpaceX have recently tested Starfall, puck shaped re-entry capsule capable of 1 ton payload and by coincidence fits on the Starship pez dispenser.
The other thing to note that unless the destination has anti-ballistic defence then delivery is going to be very hard to stop unlike giant lumbering cargo plane. Imagine being able to deliver an unstoppable army of drones within hours of the guy in the Whitehouse giving the go ahead.
"but there's almost no 100t class payloads needing to be launched."
You even said yourself, there are 42,000 Starlink sats that need launching. Much like F9, they have created their own market. That is excluding the DoD payloads for golden dome or whatever its called. DoD have already enquired about having their own fleet of Starships and launch pads that they will operate themselves.
Keep up with news, permission to fly over populated area was granted earlier this week, page 16 has the flight path. Interesting they expect around 300 aircraft flights affected per Starship landing.
https://www.faa.gov/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship/DraftTieredEAandAppendices_July2026.pdf
It did broadcast for 11 hours post splashdown but agree there are no plans to tow it back to shore. There were reports that it was taking in water in the payload hatch though tanks were still install so staying buoyant.
I know Elon posted about going for a catch attempt on IFT-14 but honestly it makes sense to controlled splashdown off the west coast off the US first.
There have a been a few videos stating that if they had started booster landing burn just 300 to 400 meters earlier then they would have been able to land even with failed engines.
Don't know how much left in the gas tanks but the way it left the launch pad there is more payload performance there, Plus the vented quite a lot of spare propellant once the ship reached space.
FAA review of request to fly over land is due to conclude on 3rd Aug.
BTW, the video they published mentioned that the 20 sats were 37 tons not 34t.
"I'm also curious just how much of a market there is for big birds, ie customers for Starship"
The original use case was getting a lot of payload and people to Mars though that seems to have dropped off the agenda. Its all Starmind and Starlink now with lunar exploration being a side quest.
The inflated valuation is almost all based on Starmind. Launching rockets it pretty much a sideshow for stock price.
SpaceX rocket business advantage currently is there is no other launcher available and the only one that can do crew missions to ISS. Crew missions will still be required potentially till 2032 if ISS doesn't fall apart before then (I believe Russia has now agreed to at least 2030) and surely its a matter of time that BONG and Vulcan reach production status. So yes, they can't fail but its a temporary thing.
Was watching NFS and they big limitation now is deluge tanks. Until they get the water pipe from Brownsville finished and more storage added then they need to ship in more water after each attempt.
Actually deluge is a bit of a bottleneck, they can potentially recycle starship in the 90 min launch window as long as they don't fire the engines but deluge is once and down, if it starts then it takes 4 hours to reprime it even if they had enough water.
" It relies on missiles that are leased from the USA. They have to be sent there for servicing and maintenance."
That is correct for servicing and maintenance, however UK controls the warheads and we have a minimum number of missiles in patrolling subs that we control and don't need US command codes or anything. If I remember we keep 8 missiles at sea at any time, each with 3 warheads (yeap, we get 8 missiles / 24 warheads for a cost of around $40bn for 25 years), and with parliament agreement that can be increased to 40 though those would need to obtained from US storage facility but in theory doesn't need US approval.
Bridenstine obviously has a very short memory, he was the administrator when HLS was selected so I don't know why is coming out and saying its too complicated, you frecking selected it.
And I know exactly why he is coming out with nonsense, he is still on the payroll of old space. I don't know if he is making a play for the administrator role again or there is a option from old space instead of SpaceX HLS, makes little sense.
"Is it a straight drop in replacement for Vmware "
KVM is just a type 2 hypervisor layer, think of it like Hyper-V for Windows desktop.
What it doesn't have is any management layer, the ability to create clusters, manage storage, networking, monitoring, reporting, etc. You know, the bits that actually make VMWare useful.
So each vendor has their value add, Proxmox, Nutanix, OpenShift, etc That would provide a comparable solution and would meet regulatory requirements. Most solutions now use K8 to manage the environment and thus can offer container and VM hosting on the same platform, effectively treating VM as a container. They all offer tools to assist migration though vary in their quality.
Good news for apps is that KVM is fairly universal across the platforms so compatibility should be fairly between the solutions and VMWare. We do come across vendors who haven't embraced KVM virtualisation but normally its more like some extra revenue for certification.
But does anyone understand what Broadcom's play is here?
Have you had your head buried in the sand for the last 40 years. Its not only Broadcom, its been industry standard for as long as I have been working in IT. Broadcom is just the latest in a never ending list of takeovers working out against customer interest.
Most organisations won't allow apps that aren't supported which is why things like free or open source are difficult to implement.
In cases like financial institutions and possibly key infrastructure like telfos, it would be against regulations especially something that could bring down the whole service.
As much as I hate broadcom, VMWare, they aren't going anywhere. Still have the biggest market share and are pivoting to cloud hosting.
What would accelerate their demise is applications modernising and getting off windows / linux and moving to cloud native.
"I expect that interest from private investors to keep putting money in was waning pretty hard which has required Elon to take the company public. It also needed a heavy AI component as that's the flavor of the month."
Nope, interest from private investors isn't waning at all. The issue is scale,. currently spending $2bn a year for starship development, $15bn so far and no sign of letting up.
The real investment is AI. The fab plant alone is likely going to going to cost in excess of $10bn and add on satellite, launch and operations costs, easily add another $20bn.
And scaling out more launch pads that they are going to need, they are a few billion a piece. I believe SpaceX are already talking to Space Force about Vandenburg and a possibility of an international launch site (Oz ?). They are in the process of buying 200 sq miles in Louisiana though probably not for launch purposes.
There infrastructure is a reasonable size and expanding, there is a issue with link capability between Colossus 1 and 2 which are not on the same LAN infrastructure.
The spent heavily on NVidia before some of the market and thus have excess capacity now plus factor in their own AI plans are not progressing as fast as they had planned.
The report says 2 days docked with BO pathfinder including entering it. Who knows how close it will be to the final lander. It will then spend one day docking to a standard Starship with a dock. NSF actually showed a nosecone with what looked like a docking portal, though it looked comically small compared to the size of Starship.
NASA did announced they are investigating assisting BO finding an alternate launcher for lander mk1 those its design is very heavily linked to NG so not sure how easy that is going to be.
SpaceX stated they have main structure for HLS completed and are currently fitting with various systems. No pictures and no date when it will be ready. They are also leaning heavily on Crew Dragon for life support, docking, lidar and other technologies. They have also been testing HLS systems at MacGregor including off nominal landing.
Being LEO, neither lander will need to perform refuelling which is a requirement for both for actual lunar mission.
Also not mentioned in the article is that NASA is also looking at the possibility of pushing Starship HLS pushing Orion from LEO to Lunar orbit. SpaceX said this would greatly reduce the number refuelling flights required. No idea if Orion dock could take the stress.
FH has the performance but while Blue Moon Mark 1 would fit in a standard F9 fairing, Mark 2 needs a 7m fairing which would a huge increase for Falcon which currently uses a 5.2m diameter fairing for a 4.8m payload. As mentioned above there is also the small matter of hydrogen top off at the launch pad plus I believe the plan for MK2 was to use BONG upper stage propellant to top off hydrogen as well. In theory you could do it COPV but its a hell of a lot of work.
No, NASA have all the designs for Saturn V archived away. Unfortunately all manufacturing would need to start from scratch, nothing that can't be recreated but would costs 10's of billions and years to develop. Throw in that both 39A has been completely developed by SpaceX including building on the the crawler way, Pad 39B has been redeveloped for SLS but in theory could be converted back. Same applied to crawler, VAB, etc
Anyway, there is zero point in building any more Saturn V, you have SLS with pretty much the same performance if they ever sort out the EUS.