* Posts by AndyMulhearn

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ALGOL 60 at 60: The greatest computer language you've never used and grandaddy of the programming family tree

AndyMulhearn

Re: No love for CORAL 66?

Spookily my first programming experience was of Coral 66 running on a PDP 11/44 so way more congenial than yours. Those were the days.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, health secretary Matt Hancock both test positive for COVID-19 coronavirus

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Re: The emergency regulations...

Are you suggestng to use our glorious PM as some kind of biological weapon in a premptive strike against our old ally The U. S. of A. ???

You say that like it’s a bad thing,

Going Dutch: The Bakker Elkhuizen UltraBoard 950 Wireless... because looks aren't everything

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Re: That's what we need. Bakelite keyboards

And with frequencies marked for Hilversum and The Light Progamme.

Shit, remembering that makes me feel old.

Early adopters delighted as Microsoft pulls plug on Mobile Backend as a Service. Haha, only joking – they're fuming

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Re: Yea - give me that random stuff

I'm very well aware of that. The vast majority of what I make doesn't go to customer. But it still needs to work and including random versions of external libraries that might change at any time is, quite frankly, a bonkers way to proceed.

Well don't allow your build tools to use un-versioned upstream dependancies. All of the build pipelines I've worked with have the facility to define package versions to be used in a build and lock on those versions until you decide to upgrade. If you're not doing that or have dependencies that are only defined as version-latest then it's not the fault of your build pipeline...

Call us immediately if your child uses Kali Linux, squawks West Mids Police

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Coat

Do you know someone that owns a knife?

Do you know someone that owns a knife?

if so, call 999 immediately as they may be on the verge of becoming a knife murderer.

Jeff Bezos: I will depose King Trump

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Re: 3 words

How about two of the words you quoted - Judicial Review. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_review which is a link from the page you reference.

Judicial review is a process under which executive or legislative actions are subject to review by the judiciary. A court with authority for judicial review may invalidate laws, acts and governmental actions that are incompatible with a higher authority: an executive decision may be invalidated for being unlawful or a statute may be invalidated for violating the terms of a constitution. Judicial review is one of the checks and balances in the separation of powers: the power of the judiciary to supervise the legislative and executive branches when the latter exceed their authority. The doctrine varies between jurisdictions, so the procedure and scope of judicial review may differ between and within countries.

Does that not suggest there are controls in place to prevent this kind of unilateral action?

Ever wondered how Google-less Android might look? Step right this Huawei: Mate 30 Pro arrives on British shores

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Not in the market but...

It's an interesting looking blower, though the price is s bit high, and not having apps like Maps some of the more worthy music apps would be a bit of a drawback. Having said that, a moments duckduckgoing found a legit Opera apk that can be downloaded - from Opera themselves - for sideloading and includes Whatspp and FaceBook messenger built in and on desktop at least supports the Spotify browser client. Combine that with web access to email and that feels like most of your basic needs met without going anywhere near Google.

HPE's orders to expert accountant in Autonomy trial revealed

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Re: Why is it moot?

However, it is possible that the extradition request (and all its supporting documentation) can be taken to be new evidence and so cause the current case to be re-opened...

What a mess that would become, particularly after a trial that’s been going on this long,

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Re: Why is it moot?

Lynch's chances of avoiding extradition likely depend on the outcome of this case - something HP may choose to delay if they can to get a better verdict in the US.

Which strongly suggests Lynch should be lobbying for extradition to be delayed until the current trial is completed. I suppose it comes down to which court has priority.

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Re: Expert witnesses are supposed to be independent

Very poor work from the expert, very poor!

Actually I'd say the reverse. HPE's expert made the assumptions he was required to work under clear to the court and seemed to me to state clearly when questioned that his own view was that Autonomy had not acted against accepted practice.

Scarcely very poor.

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Why is it moot?

With the US Department of Justice starting extradition proceedings to force Lynch out of the UK and into the hands of American prosecutors, there is a possibility that the entire High Court proceedings may become what lawyers call a "moot point" – or, as you and I might say, "irrelevant".

I'm not clear why this should be the case. If the Judge finds against HPE then why would we look favourably on a extradition request for something our courts have already found against? Alternatively why would we consider and acquiesce to an extradition request when our court hasn't completed consideration of the case?

Personally I'd think long and hard before turning Harold Shipman over to US "Justice" as it stands at the moment, never mind someone in a case like this where the facts are so clouded in technicality and doubt, on both sides.

Hear, hear: The first to invent idiot-cancelling headphones gets my cash

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Re: Selective attention

My wife just said "OMG you never listen to me" which seems a very odd way to start a conversation

I once got a very hard stare, almost Paddingtonesque, for saying "It's not that I couldn't hear you, I just wasn't listening to you".

Still married fortunately.

Yahoo! hack! payout! nearly! approved! and! the! question! is! how! to! spend! 60! cents!?

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Re: In order to qualify

The Emil I got says "... if you are a citizen of the United States or Israel..."

Lets me out then

Not call, dude: UK govt says guaranteed surcharge-free EU roaming will end after Brexit transition period. Brits left at the mercy of networks

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Re: Transition Period?

what could possibly go wrong...........

My first thought would be everything...

Remember that Sonos speaker you bought a few years back that works perfectly? It's about to be screwed for... reasons

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As the old rubbish amstrad internet phone? That was a real rubbish.

Alan Sugar used one of them on the Apprentice IIRC and that was the only time I've ever seen one.

It would be a brave candidate to interject into one of Lord Sugar's "I am the god of product development" diatribes "Internet phone Lord Sugar?"...

No horrific butterfly keys on this keyboard, just you and your big, dumb fingers

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Re: Chorded keyboards

I remember these! Specifically, I remember some bloke claiming he could type with the device INSIDE HIS POCKET.

Well, he said he was typing. Imagine standing talking to someone with your right hand twitching in your pocket and a broad smile on your face. I can't imagine that ever being a good look...

Poor, poor mobile networks. UK's comms watchdog plans to stop 'em selling locked-down handsets

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Re: And the OS too

The 'latest' stock from LG was a completely knackered heap of unusable turds. Lineage gave it life and usefulness again, but jeebus it was a ball ache just to get the bootloader unlocked.

With the way some of these companies behave - and Apple I am looking at you here as well - you'd think they still owned the hardware you'd just purchased. If it's my phone and I want to put something else on it, lineage for example, why should you be allowed to make that difficult for me?

I can perhaps understand carriers getting a bit edgy but the folks at Lineage are essentially just doing what all the manufacturers are by talking Android code and customising it for their kit.

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And the OS too

Seems like a sensible move and while you're at it make them stop installing their own branded versions of the OS on phones they do sell. Hopefully that may lead to fewer phones orphaned in terms of software support because the carriers can't be arsed.

What do you mean your eardrums need a break? Samsung-owned JBL touts solar-powered wireless headphones you don't need to charge

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Re: "68 hours of playtime from just 1.5 hours of sunlight"

Yeah, it's not as simple as the headline suggests - see https://reflect.jbl.com

Start fully charged, listen to music for 3.5 hours per day and change for 1.5 hours under light at 50,000 lux and it's claimed you get 68 hours of listening time. A bit like fully charging your normal pair of headphones then topping them up for half an hour each day.

Still not too bad but a bit too marketing speak for my liking.

Creative cloudy types still making it rain cash for Adobe

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Re: F*** adobe

I disagree that there are few viable alternatives but whether they're actual alternatives when you come to use them is a different story. For me, I have way too much invested in muscle-memory when it comes to photo editing and raw processing on products such as Affinity Photo is just too much of a learning curve for me.

A couple of years ago I went completely iOS for my personal compute - 10.5" and then 11" iPad Pro - so my choices are more limited but even so, I much prefer the LR CC package with DAM, editing and offline storage all bundled into one option than any of the alternatives. Yes, the subscription doesn't work for all but it does for me. Add in freebies such as PS Express and PS Fix and I find it quite a usable, portable approach.

In tribute to Galaxy Note 7, BBC iPlayer support goes up in flames for some Samsung TVs

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Re: Sorry but...

It;'s not just Samsung though. I have a Panasonic TV that is less than five years old and has not seen any kind of software upgrade for any of the built in apps - Netflix, iPlayer, whatever - in that time. We now have an Apple TV which gets updates to all of the required apps regularly...

In software terms. most of these TVs strike me as being like old landfill Android phones, shipped with a version of software and then never updated.

Ooops, should have read more before replying, the discussion of alternative poorly supported TVs starts further down.

Things Microsoft will be glad to never see again: Windows 10 1809 and Windows Phone Office

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Re: While they continue to work...

The whole MS phone debacle is a real case of if...only. If only they'd stuck to making a business phone; ignored the games market; and (mostly) hadn't tried to put the phone interface onto the Windows desktop.

Although I can understand the reasons it died on it's arse - my view is developers getting fed up about the continual API changes and rewrites so that the move from 8 to 10 was one step too far for most and with no Apps. market shared tanked - I quite liked Windows Phone. And I speak as someone who is now invested totally in the Apple Ecosystem.

Even relatively cheap phones performed well, battery life was good, Phone 8 was nicely usable and some of the apps that were available worked way better, IMHO, than the equivalent Android and iOS versions of the time. I have no idea what MS thought they were doing, though I suspect Apple faked them out with stories of converging iOS and MacOS so that MS thought they had to get there first with the resulting disaster that was Windows Phone 10.

And, as they say, the rest is history.

Complete with keyboard and actual, literal, 'physical' escape key: Apple emits new 16" $2.4k+ MacBook Pro

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Re: But have they fixed

The stupid design decision to run on the full fat graphics every time you connect another display?

Aaah, thank you for that - have a virtual beer. You've just explained why the battery life on my work MBP - the same model - is so piss poor when driving a TV for stuff. An hour of use can see the battery drop 40%. And it's also why so many people see crap behaviour from identical kit when resuming with external screens attached.

UK ads watchdog slaps Amazon for UX dark arts after folk bought Prime subs they didn't want

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I had the same on a recent purchase - there was no option to not sign up for it, in fact IIRC it was a "we've given you a free trial" rather than "Want to sign up for a free trial?" I'll still cancel it in 30 days but until then will make use of the free delivery on some stuff.

All-in-all a pretty unsavoury practice and one they quite rightly should be censured for.

It's back: The mercifully normal-looking Moto 360 smartwatch

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Re: Benefits?

To be honest, I don't think there's one single thing that stands out as a must have. In my case I have an Apple Watch 3 paired with a iPhone XR and I can do stuff like read messages and send short replies, answer calls (think Dick Tracy), silence alarms, control music playback, log exercise sessions (usually brisk walking) check my pulse rate, pay for stuff (easier than by phone or card TBH) and probably some other stuff that hasn't occurred to me at the moment.

It's not really one thing though, just a multitude of little things that become easier and I bought mine fully intending to not really make much use of it but I'd miss it more than I expected if I went back to a non-smart watch. Odd.

Oh and I can tell the time, it runs easily for two days between charges and like the watch in the article. will go to time only mode for three days when the remaining power hits 10% or before if I want.

Mobile operators to be stung for 10% of annual turnover if coverage falls short, digital sec warns

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Toothless

So TFA says "If they cannot demonstrate that all reasonable efforts have been made to comply with the obligations" but who measures whether they've made all reasonable efforts to comply? Or is this just another bit of show for the Man in the street while the big four carry on as normal only in this case, having trousered £500 meelion of taxpayer cash?

BOFH: The company survived the disaster recovery test. Just. The Director's car, however...

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Re: There's a solid point there too

I did some work for a small Japanese bank in the 90s who'd not long done a DR test one weekend. Shortly after the exercise started a number of staff arrived at the office to get their "what to do in the event of a disaster" books from the office that had, err, been rendered unusable in this simulated disaster. You know, the books that they're supposed to keep close at hand in case of a disaster.

Idiots.

There once was a biz called Bitbucket, that told Mercurial to suck it. Now devs are dejected, their code soon ejected

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Re: Atlassian!

I've used JIRA for many years and the one thing I've learned from those years is don't fuck about with it. Install it or sign up for cloud, create a project, set it to use the Agile Simplified Workflow, enforce a resolution status on close and then stop. No more customisation, no faffing around with workflows, nothing. Just create issues and work with them.

If you go down the route of customising workflows and such nonsense, then on your head be it. At that point it becomes a cottage industry which people whining "can I have this custom field" and "My workflow doesn't match my process" and its all spirals out of control.

Nope, we're stuffed, shrieks Apple channel as iPhone shipments enter a double-digit spiral

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Re: It has value for me

Genuine question. I use headphones mostly to listen to the radio when out and about. The wire also serves as aerial for the radio, so using bluetooth isn't an option. Is that not an issue for you?

And what is this Notch of which you speak? Googling iphone notch suggests a "notch" wallpaper ...

I listen to radio but use TuneIn Radio in free mode and either WiFi or mobile data to listen. Coverage from Three is good enough that I get very few dropouts on my journey so no need for an arial.

The notch is less of a notch than a massive hole out fo the top of the screen where the camera and earphone for calls sit. To the left-hand side there is the notifications pulldown and on the right the shortcut to control centre, see https://bgr.com/2019/01/07/iphone-smaller-notch-new-sensor-technology/

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It has value for me

It's interesting how different people see things differently:

Notch: doesn't bother me at all. I thought it might but it doesn't.

Headphone jack. I've used bluetooth headphones for close to a year now and would hate to go back so don't miss it. And nor do I miss getting tangled up on overly long headphone cables or yanking earbuds out of my ear when I stand up.

Home button: Nope, not missed at all. Face recognition works pretty much 100% of the time for me so I don't miss it for unlock. And I don't miss the home function either, swipe up works perfectly well. Oh and double tap the screen and it wakes up, looks for your face and unlocks.

Face unlock also works well if you, like me, you have the phone on a slanted stand (charger) close enough that you can look at it and be recognised. New email arrives, my phone pings, I look at it and it unlocks and shows me the preview of the message. I look away and the phone locks. Close enough is about a foot.

Cost: I have an XR which cost me £799 because I went for 128GB of storage. but it can be had for £749, I traded a Galaxy S7 Edge in and got £100 for that which reduced the price further, Not £1000 in all cases.

I'd rather it was £20 instead of £799 but thems the breaks...

Want a good Android smartphone without the $1,000+ price tag? Then buy Google's Pixel 3a

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Re: As an iPhone user @Andy

I got £100 for an S7 Edge and £165 for a 6S when I traded them in for my Xr and the Xs I got for my wife. I could probably have got more in a private sale but it was easier and simpler to let Apple take them...

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Re: As an iPhone user

Interesting how the same device can invoke such polarised views...

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Re: As an iPhone user

I went for the XR and have been very pleased with it. Its expensive but IMHO worth the cost. I've more or less done with Android until something switches me back from Apple but the Xr is an extremely capable phon. Battery life is very good, not all iPhones have that, and face recognition works very well, even unlocking when I crawl out of bed, in the semi dark with no glasses and hair (what I have left) in complete disarray.

Astroboffins may have cracked the mystery of where the photons from weird gamma ray bursts come from

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Now I'm going to have to RTFA

This all sounds somewhat similar to the content of my "dissertation" for my OU Physical Sciences degree which I wrote In 2010. Setting aside the summary form of the Reg Article, I wonder how things have moved on since then? Better get downloading...

And yes, a closer read of fhe Reg does show some differences. Interesting,

Apple's revamped iPad beams a workhorse in from Planet Ludicrous

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Re: Pencil

Why not use the adaptor that comes with the pencil? The one that allows you to plug one end onto the normal lighting connector and the pencil into the other. Charges the pencil in no time and doesn't risk damage to either the iPad or pencil.

I'm not suggesting buying one from eBay but this shows how it works - https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/183555238899?chn=ps

IMHO plugging the pencil into the lighting ports only really meant for a quick top up to get you working, the adaptor is for charging the pencil fully.

That amazing Microsoft software quality, part 97: Windows Phone update kills Outlook, Calendar

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Re: As long is customers put up with it...

There used to be a saying that you shouldn’t take the piss out of Watneys Red Barrel because all you’d have left is water...

It was a very bad rime when that kind of beer was popular. Britain was not a good place...

Brits pay £490m extra for mobes they already own – Citizens Advice

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Re: Astonishing isn't it

People are stupid.

There is some of that. But it depends on how the contract is sold. IIRC - I've not had a phone contract for a few years - you get a contract that covers both elements. What I suspect you don't get is a statement either way that says what happens at the end of the term.

With these guys I'd hazard a guess that there's no "And we will carry on taking a payment for the phone even after you pass the end of the contract because we can" so it's not clear to people what happens. And to be frank, most would assume they only pay what they should because that's how most "loans" work.

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Stop

Astonishing isn't it

That mobile companies carry on doing this with what seems to be complete impunity. Aside from O2, who separate the loan for the phone element from the services element, they all carry on taking payments for something, in some cases long after the price has been paid in full. It's more than astonishing actually, it beggars belief that they carry on getting away with this.

Aside from the words above, speechless.

The grand-plus iPhone is the new normal – this is no place for paupers

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Re: Hoping SE2 Comes later...

Probably just put on the site without an event or much fanfare; I like the 4 inch form factor, although I recognise I'm in the minority with that one (along with a desire for an iPad mini 5; In my mind, Bigger is not always better)

I'm with you on the bigger is not always better. To be honest the 4" screen is a little too small for me to read books on but fine for pretty much everything else. And no one asks me if I have a canoe in my pocket or I'm just pleased to see them any more.

However, not having an air quote "Budget" iPhone seems a bit remiss; £449 for a starting price (As opposed to an almost-reasonable £359 for the SE) is basically cutting price conscious customers off from jumping into the Apple ecosystem, and tempt them to upgrade later.

When I got my SE I looked at Apple then spotted CPW had them for £259 so got one there. Then noticed that JL had them for £230 so shopping around saved me a bit of cash, just not as much as I could have done.

£449 on the other hand is just a bit too rich for my blood, and CPW have the 7 for £549 which is odd when the SE was lower in price.

Still, I don't run a trillion doller company, so I'm sure Apple have a solid gameplan. I just don't fully get it, right now...

Me neither. I now have a family iTunes plan which is another £14.99 a month that I probably wouldn't be bothering without the SE. An iPhone isn't the only reason to get it but it's a strong one. if I were Apple, someone paying £249 for a phone and then another £120 or £180 a year for iTunes makes more sense than someone not paying £449 for the phone.

TSB goes TITSUP: Total Inability To Surprise Users, Probably

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Re: Is TSB a canary

The problem is that nowadays, those systems that have been running for decades, and, yes, more recently relying on some gaffer tape (and also gaffers and gaffesses many of whom have now retired or been "rightsized" (hah!))

I was at a large insurer back In 2005 and they were seeing this back then. IIRC their pension system ran on a mainframe and two of the people that supported it had left under circumstances not of their choosing, note I don't mean rightsizing, while most of the rest were heading rapidly towards retirement on a well-stocked final salary scheme.

Windows 10 July update. Surface Pro 4. Working fondleslab. Pick two

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Re: This is one of Microsofts biggest failures

Agreed. back in the days of mainframe and mini computing, beta testing actually had some currency and, IMHO, it was applied to releases that had focussed functional change that was important to people/businesses. So people would actually test changes using a professional approach because they didn't want impact to their business.

Now, since Google somewhat amusingly put all of their products into permanent beta, it seems to be more used as a way of releasing shit software and being able to respond to complaints that it doesn't work with "Well it is still in Beta". Even Apple have fallen into this trap with iOS in particular. I'm running betas of iOS 12 but as it's not an iPad I use for serious stuff - I just read books and browse on it - it's not exposed to anything complex and I'm not really testing it as such, just doing some stuff on it. Unfortunately with 10, Microsoft seem to be even worse than that, not even testing it works properly on their own hardware. Twats.

Boss regrets pointing finger at chilled out techie who finished upgrade early

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GWR?

It took until the Wednesday afternoon before the site was returned to normal operation\

If I recall correctly GWR went thought this a while ago. Attempts to access their loathsome site resulted in a domain not registered, or some such similar “they fucked up” page.

The last phablet? 6.4in Samsung Galaxy Note 9 leaves you $1k lighter, needs 'water cooling'

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Re: Nobody buys Samsung anymore...

Samsung is doing great damage to Android by muddying the waters with its own apps, own (crap) assistant, own payment system, lots of proprietary stuff, slow updates and hostile approach towards Google all while being the biggest selling vendor and being perceived as Apple's main competitor, not the Pixel. Must make the Alphabet people wince.

I've been through the proprietary stuff loop twice now. Only a month ago I was on this forum praising the build and value of an S7 Edge and now I'm back with an iPhone. Upgrading the original Three firmware on the phone to the UK vanilla Oreo version bought with it a whole host of irritating apps that wanted me to sign in and accept terms I wasn't happy with. Including Samsung Pay. And they nagged.

Add to that, when I tried to download the information Samsung have on record for me it came down in an unreadable lump. A support case with them resulted in a "You can download your personal data here" response so I deleted my account.

A real shame as the S7 Edge is a lovely piece of hardware but the last time I looked, Lineage seemed to have dropped it from support so it's Samsung software or another blower.

Wait, did you hear that? That rumbling in the distance? Sounds like... a 16-socket IBM Power9 box shuffling this way

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Re: New customers?

Could run Handbrake on it for ripping DVDs. Or so I'm led to believe...

Sysadmin sank IBM mainframe by going one VM too deep

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Scientists...

Scientists, not as good at following instructions as you think

Your mistake was not prefixing the instructions with an Abstract, adding a few references to random publications and putting in on arxiv.org for peer review. It may not have made any difference in the long run but they may have actually read it...

LG G7 ThinkQ: Ropey AI, but a feast for sore eyes and ears

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Re: May we please stop calling them phones?

I like the German word "Handy"...

I loved the episode of QI where Stephen Fry mentioned this. His slightly camp pronunciation of "Wo ist mein handy" had the audience, and me, in stitches.

That said, when I typed that into the Safari search bar, google proceeded to tell me where my phone is, which was slightly disconcerting.

No one wants new phones – it's chips that keep Samsung chugging

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Peak Mobile

I think we hit peak mobile, for the masses which includes me, two years ago. I’m using a bought-used S7 edge and it has plenty of performance for what I want to do. I swapped the battery - £59 in including fitting - and replaced the Three version of android it shipped with with the UK carrier free version of Oreo and I reckon I’ll get another couple of years out of it,

The only fly in the ointment is the parallel data slurping, email, browser and pay apps that Samsung still feel the need to push on their phones. Samsung, stop, just stop. It costs you money, slows your update cycles and no one I know ever uses it. Just stop. And if you must ship it, allow it to die gracefully when people don’t want to use it. As AndrueC says above, some of it refuses to accept you don’t want to use it.

Have I been paid, Sage? Cloudy wage service locks out users

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Peter Jones

Well if it’s good enough for Peter Jones (Dragon’s Den) it should be good enough for anyone.

Dixons Carphone profits drop 24% amid hack 'n' high street struggles

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Future of the high street

I bought an Apple HomePod from them six weeks ago but only because I happened to be in the area for other reasons and wanted one. Due to the way Apple price their goods, buying from Currys was no more expensive than Apple themselves so a bit of a no-brainer. And yes, Siri is a bit of a no-brainer but works well enough though a HomePod.

Before that I got some SD Cards because we'd left home (on holiday) without extras and didn't like to be short. Surprisingly we got a two for one deal which made them the same price as online which shocked me to my core.

Agree on loads of other comments though, it's hard to see where high streets can go from here. Barbers, restaurants and coffee shops seems to the future with everything else online. Which is a shame because where does someone get their needless and expensive impulse purchases?

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Re: RE: Wolfe

Last time i went to Currys the smug twat there blatantly refused to sell me the laptop i wanted and kept directing me to the models above £1000. He made it clear quickly he was on commission.

Well unless he only got commission based on the selling a particular product or if the price is above a certain value then he's not long for that world is he.

Explains to manager "Yeah, I ended up selling him nothing because there was more commission on the other laptop". Manager shows salesman door, inserts boot up arse, salesman joins the long queue of those waiting for Universal Credit payments.

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