Re: You have it backwards.
"It's democratic due to the number of people voting having an effect on the people being elected."
Did you vote for the German war minister?
"I live in England, so the laws affecting this country are drafted in Westminster."
With an amount under the direction of the EU. Which Blair loved to gold plate to show how willing he was to drop trow and bend over.
"The commission (people nominated by EU member states) propose legislation"
We elect them? Since they propose the legislation?
"the EU Parliament (directly elected by voters using PR) debates ammendments"
So we elect people to yey or ney what they are told.
"it's tiresome spoonfeeding you."
What were those president names again (no looking it up).
"The current trio is made up of the presidencies of the Germany, Portugal and Slovenia."
Trio? I count 8 when I look it up and I dont see you providing any names (not full names, partials are fine). Those county names, they are not the member state country are they? If so looking it up agrees with Germany. In fact it claims 3 of them are Germany.
"You seem to miss the point, it's a protectionist system, so we're collectively (aka everyone in the country) worse off outside of it."
You assume protectionist to mean good. There is a huge area of disagreement with you there. The UK's past being one example.
"I ran a tiny business paying UK tax while selling to people paying in Euro, how is that cashing in?
Okay, I'm an evil capitalist grinding the faces of the poor or some shite like that?"
Excellent we can agree (and not in a name calling way). You are looking to your businesses self interest as your reason for protectionism, and its only natural. Kudo's on your business tiny or not, and while you use this so do bigger players. But protectionism is a massive cost which drives down quality and drives up prices. We are both evil capitalists looking at this from different sides of the economic protectionism.
"how does putting people in the country out of work, help the people in the country? It's mental."
Thank you. That is one of the arguments against protectionism.
"Either we maintain the same quality of food, so it costs us more, and our food production industry goes to the wall. Or we lower the qalitity of food so our food production industry goes to the wall."
First of all the protectionist tariffs on things we dont produce are stupid so scrap those. Second the EU uses quality regs as additional protectionist barriers which is where the chlorinated chicken argument left a lot of remainers red faced and looking sideways at their salad. With the removal of EU protectionism there are very few who claim food would be more expensive except where they use an asterisk and point out they mean from the EU.
"And you care because ? They are shit because they move around. Mate you're past the bottom of the barrel and excavating the damp earth beneath."
Really? It doesnt bother you that this supranational above political stupidity cant agree on a single place to set up? Instead costing the people to move every so often so they appease a couple of members? This bastion of intelligence and cooperation cant even agree where to park their arses costing the people 2 buildings for shits and giggles?
You can call that bottom of the barrel. I call it head in trough.
"We didn't join the Euro as Brown understood the Euro is a shit currency"
We can agree its a shit currency.
"The UK in not in the Euro and not in the EU and is in recession, funny how that works, it's almost like there are other factors at play."
First you cant be telling me you missed out on the global financial crisis which the EU made much worse on the Eurozone (shit currency as we agree). Second the UK, EU and many others are in recession due to covid. Are you claiming the US and UK didnt bounce out of the global recession while the EU almost fell into deflation? That would be an amazing claim to make.
"I'm just offended that these people could be described as left wing"
Thats exactly what I ment by left wing nerve. Its the same reaction some people have when suggested Blair was left wing, he was still to the right of Stalin so offends some people.
"it makes it impossible to describe corbyn as left wing when you content that the tories are left wing"
No it doesnt. Corbyn is most certainly much further left than the tories. As I understood it he is a marxist and mcdonnell a communist.
Investment comes with profit return. That is why a lot of claims of investing are not so.
"The desperate people are refugees, not migrants. We have a proud tradition of helping people, see the"
No, you said people in dingys and they dont go far, basically you mean from France. Which you are either claiming is some unsafe shithole or that people sneaking over from there to illegally enter this country are economic migrants. We do have a proud tradition of helping people. That is why with Syria instead of inviting the country to move in we funded and supplied safe zones nearby so when the war is over they can go rebuild. The economic migrants trying it on tend to get sent out of the country-
"I cannot imagine that when fleeing for your life, you choose a destination based on the number of opt outs from the EU"
Very true. You instead go to the nearest safe country and apply for asylum as per the rules.