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Official: Britain staggers into double-dip recession doom

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Facepalm

Re: the problem with economics is

At the moment we have rising unemployment but interest rates are low, if they rise the situation will get really bad, remember the recession in the 80's with mortgages at 14% ?

But those mortgages were capped at 3.5 times income and house prices at healthy sane affordable levels. The spectacular bust in house prices we saw recently can be squarely blamed on lowering interest rates (look you can now afford to borrow MORE!); increased mortgage cap (6x income); lax regulations (self-cert anyone?); my-house-should-be-worth-double-now sellers; shared-ownership schemes (all the cons of ownership + all the cons of renting)... I could go on.

Which would you prefer? A huge loan and tiny interest paid off over 30 years, or a small loan, high interest paid off over 15 years - because I can tell you which is the cheapest one and I'll give you a hint: It's not the one that stays with for 3 decades.

Tablets are the future of the PC, says researcher

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re: your arse

Actually my tablet has become my primary device at home...

Since I spend most of the day looking at a screen and bits of code, many nights when I get home I don't even want to fire up my laptop - but I do want to catch up on news, check email, play a quick game to wind down.

I used to boot up my laptop, then later a netbook to do that. Trouble is if it's just one news article I wanted to finish reading, or one email I want to respond to, I'd have to go to the desk/table or find a comfortable place to sit; then wait to boot up; then fire up an app or log into the browser. Then maybe I have to leave it plugged in all night if I'm waiting for a response or something.

Nowadays, 80% of the time I don't need the laptop/netbook. I can read that one article and put it down, pick up later to get that email response, and move around to the kitchen, bathroom, bedroom, doing what I need to do in each room whilst reading. I can also move around whilst video calling. I can show the wife my hotel room and view from the window easily.

Sure there's the phone for that, but it can get fiddly and a large screen is more immersive. I find some things work better on the phone and some work better on the tablet.

The only reason I have a laptop is work purposes really. If I was in a 9-5 fixed location job, I'd have a desktop and a tablet and that would be it.

Ofcom probes Sky News over Canoe man email hacks

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Re: The Two faces of journalism

There are critical differences between a leak and a hack.

Besides the expenses leak was not just in the public interest, it was in the public's right to know - being the footer of the bills.

Heather Brooke - the original FOI submitter and journalist at the center has written a superb book covering the travesty of how successive UK governments have tried to keep the public in the dark - only to be completely blindsided by the emergence of the internet and FOI laws.

Microsoft mulls backside display for mobiles

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Trollface

Putting 2 screens together

Does this mean I can patent my innovative idea of tacking a touchscreen monitor onto the side of a normal PC flatscreen monitor and sue for $MEGA when someone inevitably does it...?

Microsoft lobs out first Skype for Windows Phone

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Coffee/keyboard

Re: "Hi, I'm going to skype you..."

LOL. Sounds like when I need to Skype my mum - and she's on the computer client..!

Tumblr CEO realises ads don't make him sick after all

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Facepalm

Confusing corporations with people again!

My thoughts are corporates only get in on the game when a social network or blogging service turns popular amongst the great unwashed.

If you're so popular that corporate entities are taking advantage of your service to try and reach wallet^H^H^H^H^H^Haudiences, why not charge corporates to use your network and be done with it?

Killers laugh in face of death penalty threat, say US experts

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Re: Mind numbingly simple

Well let's just I happened to be 100 yards away from you on a rooftop with my own precision rifle. I can't see the guy with the machine gun but I can see you sitting there with a scoped rifle about to shoot someone down below... what then?

That's the problem with these 'shoot-first' self-defense laws as exhibited in Florida currently. At what point do you draw the line between standing your ground against someone standing their ground? At what point are you qualified to judge a 'suspicious' person is guilty of committing a crime and it's your place to stop them?

Anyway the discussion was about the death penalty, not hypothetical life or death situations - in this case what to do about the man who already slaughtered those people with his machine gun.

Sadly no matter what punishment is done to him, that's not going to resurrect those people and history shows, it's not going to prevent similar future incidents either. Perhaps there are other useful ways he could be made to compensate?

White House issues privacy warning on CISPA-style laws

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Trojan Amendments

Protest from a clued up tech community can be effective, but it's still only a minority compared to mainstream ignorance and/or apathy.

When I think of what's needed to get these mainstream people to actually understand what is wrong with some of these laws the government tries to introduce, I think protest is the wrong way to go about it.

What the tech community instead should do is lobby some of these politicians to insert some last minute overnight amendments like all the proposed legislation also retroactively applies to mail/vehicles/homes.

Then the bill either gets dropped or vetoed because it's unpalatable, or the bill gets passed and mainstream get literal taste of what the tech community has only been able to express in analogy up until that point.

Techie stages 'strip down' protest at TSA 'harassment'

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Joke

Re: clothes off too!

Obviously, they shouldn't have asked him to reveal his concealed weapon...

BT's 'unbeatable' Infinity broadband ads banned by ASA

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Unbeatable vs Unlimited

Unbeatable = misleading

Unlimited = must be achievable by at least 10% of users

OK, Got it!

Not that either word can be prevented from use, given that the ASA is merely an efficient self-regulatory arm of the ad industry and doesn't actually have any government sanctioned dentures.

Austrian village considers a F**king name change

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Fucking Light!

There once was a town called Fucking

Whose name the town thought of bucking

To stop the Inselaffe

Getting the final laugh

But the tourists are no longer good looking!

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Angel

Re: re: Wankdorf

There's also a Wankvillage in Switzerland.

Dad sues Apple for pushing cash-draining 'free' games at kids

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Childcatcher

iBabysitter

Is this not akin to taking your child to the supermarket, telling them they can go and pick one toy; but because you can't be bothered to go to the toy department with them (and don't know how much the toys are worth) you hand over your wallet and send them off whilst you do the shopping?

Then when you find little Johnny/Janice has spent $500 on toys, you sue the supermarket.

Here's a parenting tip, try spending some time with your child at play, supervise their use of the phone/tablet. If you don't have time and need to leave them alone then give them some paper and crayons, a lego project, or some physical game or activity to do - until you do have the time - to play together on the shiny.

Guess what, children have great imagination! They'll make a spaceship or a robot out of a cardboard box (my nephew's latest creation). It could be argued that babysitting them with an iPhone causes them to lose that imagination, instead training them to be nothing more than good little wallets.

For all those infuriated iParents commenting on this thread, I have no idea how you were raised but I was raised in a time when mobile phones were only a sparkle in Martin Cooper's eye. I survived on my imagination and so will your little fart.

But what do I know, I don't have kids so I don't have the parenting certificate that pops out with the placenta.

Oracle v Google could clear way for copyright on languages, APIs

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Pint

Re: The problem is...

Thanks for that insight, it clears a few things up.

So am I to understand that a company that has no interest in making mobile phones or competing in that market, would not license what is essentially a free platform on desktop computer - but is now suing a company that has used it to create something brilliant that the original creators did not foresee or intend?

JavaME licensing appears to be the crux of Oracle's vexatious litigation. Larry has noticed that ever more powerful smartphones make things like JavaME obsolete. As smartphones catch up and even surpass some desktops in power and functionality; it's only natural evolution that JavaSE would be desired over something that belongs in a museum.

The real question here should be "what is a computer?" The smartphone in my pocket is now more powerful and functional than several previous desktop and laptop computers I have owned in the past.

Is it the ability to make calls and SMS? Both laptops and desktops are now capable of that - though they are not as convenient to carry around.

Moody's downgrades Nokia to near-junk status

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Devil

Re: I'm not sure Microsoft's hands were trying to pull them back from the brink

Wasn't there some kind of PR statement where Elop said their goal was 3rd place in the phone market? Doesn't really inspire confidence does it? Leaping from a burning platform to a sinking platform.

Looking forward to the multitude of I-told-you-sos on El Reg forums when Nokia finally gets Borg'd by the Microsoft cube.

Pirates not to blame for Big Media's sales plunge

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Nailed It!

Also, I think part of the problem, for middle men publishers/distributors, is a confusion over what their business model was about. They didn't sell music, they've never sold music, they're distributors. Taking a voice only available in one location, packaging and delivering it worldwide.

They provided distribution and advertising for the artist, in return they charge the receiver of music (and via loan to the artist) for the delivery. - in the same way that UPS charges for packaging and delivery of goods from a online store (the next industry in decline when 3d printing takes off).

The internet was a major gift to them but like Kodak, rather than embrace digital they tried to protect the old method of storing images.

Instead of finding ways to fulfil their business priority of distribution utilising the internet, they've hurt themselves by trying to artificially slow or stop such methods.

Apple fights off ebook suit with anti-Amazon defence

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Angel

Thanks for the link...

Insightful reading, but it makes it sound as though Amazon was really just the facilitator to the greed and fear of the big 6 publishers.

But publishers aren't software companies. They just want to sell books. And so they outsourced the DRM to the ebook resellers. Including Amazon...

For AMZN, the big six insistence on DRM on ebooks was a windfall: it made the huge investment in the Kindle platform worthwhile, and by 2010 Amazon had come close to an 85% market share in the ebook sector...

So the publishers insisted on DRM - but forced the resellers (including Amazon) to implement it. When Amazon did, having the largest share of the eBook market effectively reverse locked-in the publishers (just as customers are locked-in).

Hoisted by their own petard it seems. Still it's nice to know that publishers suffer from own their stupid insistence on DRM as well as their customers.

Let's hope Stross is right and they see the error of their ways.

Facebook defends support for CISPA monitoring bill

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Flame

PR bullshit...

"HR 3523 would impose no new obligations on us to share data with anyone – and ensures that if we do share data about specific cyber threats, we are able to continue to safeguard our users’ private information, just as we do today,'"

So why do you need a new law if you're already doing it?

"They're not looking for some kid in the Dallas suburbs hacking into his school to change his grade,"

Not yet...

Texas judge lets Apple duel patent sabre-rattler Lodsys

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Pint

"courtroom-lurker Florian Mueller"

Hurray for rebranding!

Fate of punters' Megaupload files to be thrashed out in court

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Re: Collateral damage

Well if this case is anything to go by, they will impound your car, as well as all the other cars on the street. Then later state they no longer want or need your car but you can't have it back - instead it can be crushed.

Two teens cuffed after Blighty's anti-terror hotline hacked

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Re: Anti-terror hotline

It's to report bearded people holding cameras, going by the poster campaign.

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The public can remain confident...

"...in the ability to communicate in confidence and that the integrity of the Anti-Terrorist Hotline remains in place."

Also, we would like to confirm that the Emperor is still wearing his fine new clothes.

ICANN: Privates leaked in top-level domain land grab blunder

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.word-squatters

I'm not impressed with corporations being allowed take ownership of generic terms such as 'drink', 'music' etc... .cocacola and .mafiaa are OK but this is like a reverse domain-squatting on written language itself.

In some cases it could lead to certain brands or companies inferring that they are the only regulator and provider of legitimate services, rather than just another competitor in a market.

'Selling your citizens to foreigner is not acceptable!'

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Holmes

Re: So...

Also, perhaps the inverse is true. If you hack servers of UK/US firms that are actually hosted in countries with less stringent enforcement and regulations in place you can attack them with impunity?

Hmm... thought not.

Life on Mars found – in 1976

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Alien

Re: Tasty

But still they come!

Motorola's bid to sink Windows, XBoxes sales snubbed

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I'm thinking Moto is going for leverage.

If they can get a ban on MS in Germany, then it might cause MS to back off on trying to strong-arm Moto into a license agreement on their bogus Linux patents or even enter a MAD agreement.

Teens break up with Facebook

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Re: Not really thinking, are they?

I did not bother with eye-bleeding MySpace, went with FB instead. Then I went to Twitter when the MySpace refugees hit FB. I'm now on G+ (though I still use FB to keep in touch with the oldies).

I find I'm one of those types who tends to flee social networks when all the teens arrive so looks like I recently abandoned Twitter right on cue. What does category does that put me in?

Publishing giants sue open textbook startup over layout

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Childcatcher

re: The companies are all suing in force

It's called a cartel and it's supposed to be illegal, but of course because this is a 'copyright' issue then the modus operandi here can basically be ignored.

Copyright and patents... the 'think-of-the-children' cry for corporations.

Too small to fail: Obama signs Nontrepreneurs Act

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Wrong Focus

Seems to me this is a treatment for the symptom, not the cause. By all means decrease regulation for start-ups to ease their burden, but punish those that are found to be selling worthless stock (i.e. banks, Grouponesque companies) by either revoking their license, fines or criminal prosecution.

OTOH as a modest investor myself I've always heeded the warning that the value of your investment can go up as well as down, and to read a company's Annual Financial Report, but I suspect I'm of the minority.

When investing in a start-up it's basically implicit that you could lose money. If someone can't stomach that, they should look for lower risk investments. If they aren't aware of that, then they should not be investing at all - since they clearly don't know what they're doing.

OnLive goes legit with licensing downshift for virtual Windows

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Pyrrhic?

It's telling when a company like Microsoft counts it a victory - not when a small company like OnLive manages to get potentially more people accessing and using their desktop (feeding their market dominance) but - when they manage to get said small company to accept more restrictive/expensive licensing.

Culture jammers connect Lego clones with 3D printer files

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Re: I hope they have good lawyers

I'd like to see MAFIAA piracy losses represented in some kind of mathematical formula. Unfortunately I've forgotten a lot of formulas, here's some code instead:

for (pirate=1;pirate<swarm;pirate++) {

pirates = pirate + swarm;

lost_sales = 1000 * (lost_sales + pirates);

swarm = pirate * swarm;

}

US government service improves after virus takes out email

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Holmes

Not Surprising

Harder to 'kick the can' when you have to deal with a problem face/voice to face/voice in real time. It's very easy OTOH to take one look at the CC distribution list on an email and just assume someone else on the list will deal with the problem.

Email can also be flagged for attention later, whereas your priorities will change quickly if you know that person is going to be calling again in 4 hours and you don't want to have to blow them off again.

They should learn from this and work out how to maintain the improvement when the email system comes back online. Rather than punting an email at 300 random people and assuming even half of those people really need to be a part of the conversation, take time to find the right person and email/call them instead.

I speak as one who finds myself on several email distribution lists in a large organisation for technology and teams I've never even interacted with, let alone finding the subject relevant or the issue at hand being something for me to be involved in.

'Don't break the internet': How an idiot's slogan stole your privacy...

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I completely agree

We can't have these freetards on the internet getting paid advertising money for what is essentially free content that has not been created by them!

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Viacom's anti-Google copyright case rises from the dead

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WTF?

Viacom needs Youtube more than the world needs Viacom

Comedy Central (Viacom owned) wouldn't even exist without Youtube - Tosh.0 would have to stop broadcasting, Daily Show and Colbert Report would continue but suffer, many other shows would lose "memeworthy" inspiration for their own schtick.

Viamcom lost out in a bidding war with Google for Youtube, then they tried to create a piss-poor copy of it; this seems to be more of a scorched earth "if we can't have it, no-one can" approach to litigation. It simple has to fail otherwise after Youtube is taken down, what next? The web risks taking a huge step back to the 90's.

SharePoint 2010 now supports Chrome, Firefox

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Re: Hate using it...

OK @Phoenix50, I'm going to assume yours is the downvote.

I think you pretty much contradicted yourself in your own post when you opened with,

...the SharePoint "out of the box" feature set is very rich indeed, though it will only extend so far.

Then went on to explain how I'm supposed to be wrong in my assessment of this turd.

Can you tell me how you came about to disagree that I hate using Shitepoint? I'm pretty sure I know my own experience and feelings about the piece of crud.

Can you also explain why I must waste time trying to customize something I don't want, don't need and is not part of my work order or job spec?

Your extended analogy fails too, it's more like I need a screwdriver, but I'm being asked to use it as a hammer also, rather than being given a hammer.

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Hate using it...

Forced to use Shitepoint at work, I have to keep certain pages as bookmarks because if I try to use navigation I can never find them again.

Sure it's badly implemented, but how much of that is down to skill of the implementor and how much is down to the ease of use of the tool itself? A bit like trying to use a screwdriver as a hammer.

Arizona bill makes it illegal to 'annoy or offend' online

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Trollface

Re: Next year...

I wouldn't be surprised if it could simply be grand-fathered in under existing "stand your ground" law.

iPhone fanbois enraged by Instagram's Android triumph

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Holmes

Re: What is the point?

I suspect it has a lot to do with utilization of social networking. On my own FB feed, fanbois tend to be more hooked into sharing everything than anyone else. People see all these photos with "via Instagram" added to the bottom - the old crappy film style appeals to their sense of nostalgia, so they head to the Android Market to look for it and it is not to be found.

They don't think beyond that to look for a similar app that will do everything Instagram does and more, just like they don't think to go beyond installing a different OS as an alternative to Windows. It just doesn't enter their heads.

They also have friends with iPhones asking "Do you have Instagram?", rather than "Do you have an app that lets you take photo's and retro-filter them?" Fanbois are much more brand-aware than fandroids are... I tend to share what I can do with my phone rather than name the app I'm using (unless asked).

So the moment Instagram hits Android, they're all downloading it, upsetting their hipster friends who liked being part of an envious and exclusive club (which was basically available to everyone all along).

Publisher hails CS Lewis 'space trilogy' e-book debut

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Perelandra

Has to be my favourite of the three, it's got everything - philosophy, sci-fi fantasy, a zombie (sort of) and good vs evil battle. I enjoyed Out of the Silent Planet too, but never can remember the plot of That Hideous Strength.

I'd love to see these made into movies, but not by Disney. I feel like Disney didn't really make an effort with Narnia. It seemed like more of an opportunity to cash in on the LotR wave, than to make it engaging and meaningful. Plus you've got all that Mickey Mouse copyright extension problem. Paled in comparison to the BBC mini-series.

Of all CS Lewis' works, Mere Christianity has probably had the most impact on me. Till We Have Faces is also a great read - demonstrating his writing at it's best - much better at least than Chronicles of Narnia.

Shareholder flings class action lawsuit at Groupon

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Trollface

There's a pattern developing here...

A company that makes it's money by overselling discount coupons at overstated discounts (forcing small businesses to lose money), is discovered to be overselling stock based on overly optimistic profits (forcing shareholders to lose money)...

Well I didn't see that one coming!

Yahoo! countersued! by! Facebook! in patent! spat!

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Hate the patent system but...

Can't help but smirk at Yahoo! trying to get in on some patent action, grabbing the tail of a sleeping lion and giving it a good yank!

UK net super-snooping clashes with Euro privacy law - expert

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Re: ".. for the protection of health or morals, "

Surely the problem with the word 'moral' is one of sentiment. It stems from the fact that the word 'immoral' is felt to be such a strong label, that people are only left with defining themselves as 'moral'. It's the same with the word 'good'.

How many times have you heard a person say "I'm a good person, but..." then offer an opinion or tell you something you did that you personally would not consider good? As with "I'm not a racist, but...".

I had the pleasure of listening to a colleague explain that he had a girlfriend, but that he wasn't a bad person because he's not going to leave his wife. I consider that immoral, but for him he doesn't because he cannot entertain the thought that he might be an immoral person for cheating on his wife.

I haven't committed adultery or murdered anybody, but I'm not going to stand up and say I'm a good or moral person; I will go as far as correcting people who call me such. As I know myself and I know that I can and do, do bad things sometimes for purely selfish reasons.

What's really required is for people to accept there's such standards and be honest when they don't meet them. Instead of defining ourselves as 'moral' or 'good', let's be truthful and say we don't always make moral or good choices or hold such opinions, in fact we are capable of being very selfish and conceited creatures.

Corny conversations prove plants 'talk'

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Joke

Waiter, waiter...

My salad is clicking!

RIM extends management software to iOS, Android

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Angel

Good Not Good

So they're just going to offer an alternative service to Good then?

Going by the ratings on the Android Market it rapes your phone and the people who are forced to use it resent it. If they can provide a decent alternative then they might stand a chance... but how much of a deadweight will the other parts of the business be?

I think they should have gone the Amazon route, use Android as a base and fork a secure version, as is reportedly already being done.

Teen hacker suspect Ryan Cleary in the clink for bail breach

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@AC 17.18 Re: Human Rights

getting it done without getting off your arse and out of the house

Ever tried doing local banking whilst overseas (as I am much of the time)? What about ordering specific items from abroad, should we just jump on a boat or plane then?

I'm rather surprised you're using the convenience of the internet to comment, instead of physically penning a letter, then getting off your arse to post it to your favourite Newspaper, which you buy and read in print.

Idiot.

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Human Rights

Whilst it's easy to scoff at the 'human right' aspect to the internet... we're fast approaching an era where the internet is essential to 'getting things done'.

If I was on bail as a political prisoner (which I consider Cleary to be the equivalent of), then I'd have to break such bail conditions too as most of my banking is done online (telephone banking is an option but a major pain to go through just to check your balance/move funds) - I'd have no choice unless the courts were providing me food, accommodation and entertainment.

And to what extent does this ban over protocols reach. If he were to watch a Smart TV that was streaming over http - would he be breaching bail? What about if he was to order train tickets from a kiosk that connected to a remote server... uh oh breach! Pick up a house phone connected to Vonage... breach!

And what about access to goods and services that are convenient online - council services, bill payments. What about special discounts and offers for ordering online? If competition law requires condiment vendors to provide 'no purchase necessary' to enter competitions, then where is the law that says someone who can't go online should be given the same opportunities and offers as those who can?

So not a human right, but if this was 1982 as opposed to 2012 I believe internet regulation would have more of a focus on protection, and less on control.

iPad app that lets mute kids speak menaced by patent lawsuit

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Re: @DavCrav

Some people may have this ridiculous notion that GloboMegaCorp shouldn't be the one investing in medical research in the first place. That it should be a government that does this - so that no-one is left without treatment (because certain rare diseases are deemed unprofitable to research a cure)...

Of course this not the American way I describe, it's a dirty communist ideal that must be avoided at all costs... just like those communist police forces and communist fire departments.

That's why I say we should privatise the police and the fire departments and let them compete on the market. Of course fire departments would have to stop spending as much time putting out fires on buildings and homes that aren't worth that much. That way they'd have more time to focus on more profitable firefighting from those that can afford them.

Motorola Mobility in double Euro probe over patent warfare

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Re: BAD news!

First of all, let's just drop the pretense that this is at all about fairness and standardisation no matter who the patent holder is... it's about using regulation as a tool to beat up the competition, nothing more. A bit like Al Capone, the Winter Hill Gang or the Lucchese would use the police and FBI to damage rival gangs.

Now with that out of the way, if Apple and Microsoft succeed here then it will be a Pyrrhic victory indeed... say goodbye to future SEPs and more format-wars and incompatibility.

Essentially Apple and MS are doing what a corp does naturally, lobbying for regulations that favour them, lobby against regulations that harm them. That's why MS can force 5% POS on Android device vendors for their non-FRAND patents, but whine when asked to fork out 2.5% POS on FRAND patents (oh and I think most people would consider some of the patents Apple and MS hold to be 'essential' even though they are not offered on FRAND terms).

So, forgetting the SEP/non-SEP for a moment, essentially MS and apple are saying 2.5% POS charge is not fair, but 5% POS charge is fair (as long as they are the one's collecting)!

With regards to Apple, rectangular shapes? Seem pretty standard design to me, works for TV's digital photo phrames, monitors and all sorts of other VDUs, but suddenly because it's a smart phone the rectangular shape needs to be protected? Or icon layout... FFS! I would say in any modern OS icons are pretty standard and essential.

So the question should be, why aren't Apple and MS forced to offer some of these particular patents they hold as FRAND, since they cover things which are now pretty standard and pretty essential?

Instead, what we have is Corp A and Corp B reserving the right to charge extortionately (cuz, y'know, we're not offering them as FRAND), but wailing about the less than extortionate price offered by Corp C, who long ago offered FRAND patents in order for the technology and market to standardise and thus progress.

If companies with FRAND patents are going to be abused in such a way by those competing in the same market with non-FRAND patents, guess what's going to happen to the next generation of tech?

Less and less will be standardised as companies are going to be hesitant to offer their patents as FRAND, when they know (a) They need to hold onto them as a MAD defense and (b) there's more money to be made from the competition non-FRAND than FRAND.

Adam Sandler's cross-dresser shocker is Razzies stonker

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Worn-out Comedy

Sandler hasn't been funny since Anger Management... and his schtick is getting tired, he basically plays the same guy in all his movies apart from the one's where he's tried to do a serious role (Funny People was semi-watchable, in which he played a comic who was basically an a*hole when not on stage).

The last 'funny' movie I tried to watch was Grown Ups and the title of that movie had to be a homophonal slip due to the amount of predictable and worn-out gags. He needs a change of format - a TV drama or something.

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I say we take off and nuke it from orbit, only way to be sure...

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