Re: Wibble... ...Out of Bags
508 posts • joined 10 Mar 2011
"The examples shown are not at all credible to anyone using their brain"
Have you seen any of the raging and insane comments on social media ? The only flaw in these AI generated comments and diatribes is that they are not riddled with spelling and grammar errors, and have far too few exclamation marks.
"We won't follow your rules. So can we move on and talk about what we can agree on?"
That's the crux of the matter - we wont agree to adhere to the basic tenets of the EU and think we can somehow acquire all the benefits without actually either paying for any of them, or committing to keeping to the conditions that every other country in the EU ( and EEA) have agreed to. SO on one hand you have a group of adults saying that these are the basics of a negotiation, please stop running around with your fingers in your ears going "la la la", and on the other hand we have a bunch of delinquent toddlers demanding everything NOW.
Fisheries? Why is that even vaguely relevant? Les than 0.1% of our GDP, and we sold our fishing quotas to other EU countries years ago. Its been whipped up to some kind of nationally vital edifice by the likes of "give me the money" Farage and his brexit party wannabes, and our spineless government just agree.
"Indian is not a race, it is a country of origin, so it can't be racist."
Without getting into the whole "ooh that's racist" about your comment, saying "x isnt a race so it cant be racist" is the number one go-to excuse for, erm, racists. I'm not saying you are, just suggesting you're careful.
Funnily enough a lot of the thuggish behaviour was done by people pretending to be BLM protestors, like far right groups. Obviously they are fine people according to your president. A man, lets not forget, who mocked a disabled journalist on TV, so clearly he is of the highest moral calibre.
Lynching is not "just hanging" - it's mob violence, usually inflicted on someone from a minority without and actual "crime" other than being not white in the wrong place.
Being socially lambasted is not lynching either. The poor man is being called out for what he is, boo hoo. Unless a mob of people drag hi being a vehicle or string him up he isnt being lynched, sorry if that offends people who complain about language.
"People will always identify with one group more than others so "others" become the "enemy" at some level."
That's true for some people, certainly - I have never understood the utter tribalism of football supporters, or the conviction of people from one county in the north of England that they are better than people from another northern English county.
"Kids in kindergarten will often ostrasize and even attack any child who is markedly different to what they have been exposed to"
Really? I have never, ever come across an example of this behaviour without there being a parent influencing it. Young children are extraordinarily tolerant of others' physical differences, they don't seem to "see" the physical differences without it being pointed out to them by an adult (and I mean real physical differences, not a slightly different hair colour)
"Programmes like Blue Peter, Newsround" So you were a child in the 70s, and still claim to know all the science that was around. OK. What you are ignoring is that the science of global warming was in its infancy then, there were conflicting ideas, theories and concepts. You cite (sort of) various pieces of dodgy methodology (without actually giving citations other than "whoa, you missed that?") while ignoring the tsunami of evidence (other than the "science" funded by oil companies) that the world is indeed warming, glaciers are retreating, ice caps are becoming more fragile and thinner. Weather is becoming more extreme with the added heat in the atmosphere - in N Europe we had temperatures in the high 30s C (and above) where normal summer temps are around 25C, and this looks like a trend rather than a one-off.
You will probably come back with "oh but the Antarctic sea ice is bigger now" - it is in terms of area but it is far thinner. Climate change denial is akin to burying your head in the sand - the "science" disproving it is very much like the science that proved smoking was actually good for you in the 1950s
"Surely if your argument is right you don't need to lie?"
Funny. I get accused of lying when pointing out that your statement has holes you can drive a sizeable truck through. No doubt you will also say "You're lying" when I point out that Johnson did in fact unequivocally say the fictional £350 million would be spent on the NHS.
I have a couple of questions -
First. WTF is "dismal science"?
Secondly, who the hell do you think you are?
"Like most of these quips regarding the leave campaign, the "elites" (like "experts") is based on a misrepresentation of the discussion."
Uh, no. Michael Gove, for example, in an FT article claimed that "people have had enough of experts", then trued to qualify it to the BBC by claiming he meant economists. What people seem to have had enough of is actual thinking rather than relying on headline policies or slogans.
"You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe that its highly likely that the chinese government have "requested" that Hauwei add some extra functionality into their 5G"
As no doubt the US govt did to Cisco.
I remember "discussing" a conspiracy theory about the Malaysian airlines disappearance/crash with a man who was utterly convinced it was done by the Rothschilds to gain the rights to a product, possibly worth a few million dollars. He then went on to explain that the Rothschilds had a secret vault full of gold worth 12 trillion dollars. Questions about A) why, if your net worth was 12 trillion, would you kill a couple of hundred people for a patent that would possibly net you less than a few seconds' interest on your piles of gold, and B) if they had secret vaults, how the conspiracy nuts knew about it, were simply ignored or got shrill and accusatory responses.
There is no intelligence there, simply the desire to be part of something bigger than yourself, to have some hidden knowledge that "normal" people don't have.
"people just make up answers"
A friend of ours was doing psychology as part of her degree. Foolishly, she asked her rather reprobate friends to fill in her questionnaire for her module. The answers were so off-kilter she gave up and created some rather more mundane fake ones.
"You probably think people with that "look" are criminals because that's the way they are portrayed in movies."
A friend of mine is an actor, he gets to play a lot of roles as a "villain", usually on TV, occasionally in films. He looks like a complete thug onscreen, but that seems to be a "look" he can create.
"apparently skin colour is important to you."
And there you go, deliberately trying to insult me for pointing out what "white privilege" means. Are you that insecure? Yes there are many doctors of Asian backgrounds, and you know perfectly well why, but you choose to highlight that as if its some evidence of racism.
Sorry, but if you can't debate without resorting to cheap insults then you can fuck off, ok?
I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with Bombastic Bob - the attempts to mollify and assuage some people's guilt by changing things that have essentially nothing to do with our history of slavery actually cheapens the point of the whole BLM movement. "Master" has many semantic connotations, and by focusing on pointless term changing while ignoring the fundamental issues is pointless.
"anti white racism" - chucking a statue of a slave trader in the briny. Oh dear, oh dear. I suppose you empathise or support those morons doing Nazi salutes at the cenotaph as well? After all they claimed they were "protecting their heritage". Just when you cant imagine things cant sink any lower you come along and prove me wrong.
"in the working class North East there was no privilege to be found "
You're missing the point. "Privilege" does not refer to your personal wealth or circumstances, it means that given the same situation, say applying for a job, you are far more likely to get the job if you happened to be white. You are far more likely to be stopped by the police of you happen to be black. It's not relevant to say "I grew up poor" - many of us did too, but you and I both missed out on the added disadvantage of being black.
On your "everyone is racist" comment, I would agree, in general terms (I'm not applying this to individuals, just as a broad white/black/ whatever brush) - the most blatantly racist people I ever had the misfortune to work with were Indian, they hated everyone, "pakis" particularly, but this was in a company where 99% of the staff were Indian and probably felt they could say that kind of thing without fear or consequence. It is interesting to see how people behave if they don't feel there is any reason for them not to say things that normally we would find abhorrent.
The "training" courses are limited to those that marginally break the speed limit. The high speed lunatics are fined etc in the usual way. I was sent on one for being 3 mph over the speed limit as I accelerated out of a village, and found the course very enlightening, although not in the way the course provider expected perhaps - it covered very basic road awareness, signage, speed limits where there are no visible signs, etc. What I found amazing was the number of people on the course (mostly those who had not long passed their tests) who had no clue about 90% of the material covered.
( I refuse to link the Mail or Sun reports out of principle : ) )
Although further reading suggests she "withdrew" from speaking, the issue remains, why on earth would you invite someone who A) defaces a war grave and site of mass murder and B) calls for murdering Israeli politicians to speak at your conference, and only at the last minute decide not to go ahead?
Corbyn was under attack, yes, but that comes with the territory, sorry. Diane Abbott was treated disgracefully, I agree, but there were several jewish members who reported anti-Semitic slurs. And then there are people like Paul Connelly, a labour candidate for Kirklees, who sent out anti semitic tweets for more than 2 years but was only suspended at the last minute.
"Ian Murray, one of the candidates for the position of deputy leader, sent out a campaign email to all Labour members in which he noted his endorsement from the Party’s Jewish affiliate and stated his intention to “tackle the stain of antisemitism in our Party.”
In reply he received numerous abusive messages, including claims that “the Jews thought they owned the Labour Party”; that Mr Murray is a “Mossad agent”; that he is associating himself with “a bunch of war criminals and latter-day Nazis who are committing genocide”; that Labour’s Jewish affiliate is “a political racist movement” which “prioritise[s] their race or religion ahead the Labour Party”; that Mr Murray’s “true loyalties lie…firmly in the CIA-Mossad HQ in Tel Aviv”; that antisemitism was being weaponised; that Mr Murray was being “manipulated by a biased media, in the control of an elitist group whose vested interest is to maintain the status quo and their financial interests and neuter Labour opposition”; that “the antisemitism charge [against Labour] is a smokescreen to validate the Israeli Government’s [policies]”; and that Mr Murray “should be protecting the majority of our millions of citizens not just a few thousand of a small minority.” "
There are numerous facebook and twitter posts which routinely put out anti-Semitic material from labour supporters,
Chris Williamson, who claimed labour was too apologetic about antisemitism was suspended, then readmitted a few months later.
There were questions over the group set up to streamline and speed up investigating complaints with suggestions had actually interfered in the process, labours refusal to adopt the IRHA definitions of antisemitism (until forced to by an outcry), etc etc.
Don't get me wrong, I still don't believe for a moment the party is anti semitic, but they were less than enthusiastic about dealing with issues, whether at low level or not. (Nor am I justifying the racism in other mainstream parties)
"disgusts me what this cuntry has become :-("
Please explain your comment? What "disgusts" you specifically? The freedom of fascist wannabes to march up and down shouting abuse at people of different religions or skin colour being curtailed? The freedom to accuse people of being criminals because they are foreign not being allowed? The leader of a well-known right wing party (that has never won an election anywhere) being stopped and searched the sae as every other citizen can be, refusing to hand over information - knowing that's an offence - and (horror) not being imprisoned for it? How terrible.
What is disgusting is that people seem to think that they can act like little tin demagogues and be simply allowed to get away with whipping up people who cant spell "country".
Sorry, your wall of text has so much rubbish in it I can't be arsed to copy/paste it here. Surveillance ? Yes its endemic here, but only because we have allowed a paranoia to infest our society, driven by populist leaders and media, that we are "under attack". Have a look at other European countries, the levels of surveillance there are far lower than the UK.
You seem to believe the secret police (that we don't have) and fascist politicians (that we don't quite have - although Mr Golding would certainly qualify if he ever got elected) are forcing NAZI-like (oh those block capitals again!) laws on us. My answer to that is to look up the Nuremberg laws of Germany in the 1930s, then come back here and show me the similarities. Any single one would do.
Here's a link for you in case you are too oppressed by fascists to look it up for yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws
"Golding has got a chip on his shoulder for the same reason 99% of black guys have a chip on their shoulder"
Really? A man who was forbidden to go to any mosque in the UK, specifically banned from going near one in Luton, a man with well known outspoken views on people of a different skin colour or religion, a man who advocates a right wing militaristic society (including the lovely idea "Introduce a 'Democracy & Freedom Bill' that makes it a criminal offence (that carries a prison sentence) to refuse services to constituted political parties and their office holders." ), this man is somehow living through what your "99% of black guys" live through? Here's a link to their party policies. I can see why you think he is oppressed because of his skin colour.....
"propaganda myth that they could see everything that people did."
They relied heavily on informants to get their "man" - once they had their claws in someone they usually confessed pretty fast. The Germans of course also relied heavily on informants when rounding up jews and other undesirables in the occupied countries, something people seem to gloss over.
" I contend the entire thing is but a bunch of matzo balls"
Broadly yes, you are right, of course. What sticks in the throat is the bland assurances by labour that antisemitism was dealt with robustly, while we saw party members who had been removed from their positions quietly allowed back in a few weeks later, we saw someone who had narrowly escaped prison for defacing the Warsaw ghetto monument being warmly invited and applauded by a momentum conference. Jewish MPs reported feeling under daily attack - are you suggesting they were all lying? I had a long series of conversations with labour members who actually suggested the whole thing was a smear by Mossad because they were threatened by Corbyn, when I pointed out that they were saying that the antisemitism row was in their view because of some lying jews, therefore, they fell silent (after some choice language).
My contention is this - labour were not and could never be an anti-semitic party - as you have pointed out very clearly. What they allowed however was a festering sore of racists within the party structure to exist and refused to deal with it robustly enough. As I asked a friend, a labour candidate in the last election, if this had been any other kind of racism, would labour have been quite so relaxed about it?
"to stop claiming that there dozens of races when there are only THREE (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid)"
Have a look at a skeleton of a "negroid" or "mongloid" and compare it to that of a "caucasoid" (wtf?) - go ahead and show me the differences. I'll wait. Or the blood if you like.
You're one of those people who like to think (and I use the term loosely) that writing things in CAPITALS makes it actually true, and that somehow calling a neo-nazi piece of walking turd a racist makes me a racist. But hey, lets make it legal to say what you like about anyone you don understand or want to understand, lets claim all child abuse is done by Pakistanis, while we're at it lets claim the jews are behind it all - after all they aren't a different race so its fine, right? And if it legal to say these things it wont encourage the kind of behaviour we see every day in the USA, and more and more in the UK where people are vicitimised because of their skin colour, will it? No, by making it ILLEGAL (see what I did there?) it will drive it UNDERGROUND (and again). How terrible, people might just accept other people as...well, people.
Bear in mind that this piece of garbage is a known extremist, racist and criminal. Formerly a member of the National Front, and BNP. Numerous charges and convictions for assault, harassment, stirring up religious hatred and accused of abuse of an underage girl (who was told to keep quiet about it).
I don't think you can separate his "political character" from his crimes. The man is a walking piece of excrement, and while I don't like the encroaching surveillance state or police powers much, I cant actually do more than laugh at what happened to him.
"You can only use it when you are working for us and we will cut your PRS access if you do anything we don't approve"
Yes, because WE (that's us, the "united" kingdom) insisted it shouldn't be available for non EU states to use. Now we have left apparently people are confused by what "non EU" means.
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