* Posts by eldakka

1764 posts • joined 23 Feb 2011

Hey, Boeing. Don't celebrate your first post-grounding 737 Max test flight too hard. You just lost another big contract

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Still I think it's a function of the banking laws as to whether a 'charge back' or 'reversal' is even possible.

While it can be a function of banking/consumer laws, it is also a feature offered by the credit card companies independant of (as long as it complies with) those various laws. Well before any such consumer/banking laws existed, it was in the terms and conditions of credit card companies to their users and requirements of payment processors/providers of the credit cards to be in compliance with the terms and conditions of the CC companies. It was one of the ways they enticed people to using CCs over things like travellers cheques, bank transfers, direct deposits, etc., it was an aded feature, a safety net the companies themselves offered and was often oncorporated later into individual countries laws. Therefore even if it isn't enshrined in law, it is enshrined contractually between the CC provider (Visa, Mastercard, American Express, etc., and the banks provding the CC under those umbrellas) and the business offering that payment option and the CC holder using that payment option.

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Re: One question

My confidence level on the MAX will improve if the entire Boeing Board, President and VPs, including the upper echelon of the FAA are on a test flight of a MAX flying from the east coast to the west coast and back -- y'know, just to be sure.

That would do nothing for my confidence. Why? Because:

1) the aircraft will be hand picked from the fleet, gone over with a fine-toothed comb by the best Boeing Enginners, Compliance inspectors and pilots;

2) It will be flown by the finest test pilots who have hundreds of hours of experience in flight-testing the MAX. They will be entirely up-to-date with every little niggle of the aircraft. They will have experience with all those niggles, as they would be deliberately activated in the testing regime those pilots undertook.

3) since all the issues with the MAX could ber overcome with experienced pilots having knowledge of the MAX's full flight envelope and undocumented (at the time) flight control systems, points 1 and 2 above would make it a perfectly safe aircraft, even if a pre-software-fix MAX was used.

No, what I would need would be a dozen lat-minute randomly-assigned (so Boeing can't send in their best to evaluate/fix the aircraft or assign preferred pilots before the flight) flights on 3rd-rate airlines with green pilots. Like say in Pakistan where they have just de-registered 150 pilots (about a 1/3rd of all Pakistan-registered commercial pilots) because they had all cheated on pilot tests, they'd gotten others to sit their exams for them or cheated in the exams.

CERN puts two new atom-smashers on its shopping list. One to make Higgs Bosons, then a next-gen model six times more energetic than the LHC

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Considering cosmic ray energies are up to 3x10^20eV, 4 million times greater than the proposed FCC, I can't see how it will be a problem.

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Re: Funding

Note also that that 21b is over something like 20 years, so a little more than 1b/year (extra, on top of their existing yearly budget).

No surprise: Britain ditches central database model for virus contact-tracing apps in favour of Apple-Google API

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Re: This is all complete cack

Hence the only really believable figures are "Excess Deaths".

And even that isn't truely accurate unless society goes on as normal during that period. But with lockdowns, limited gathering sizes, limited travel and so on, the 'accidental' deaths, that is those due to vehicle accidents or industrial accidents or various misadventures (taking selfies on edges of cliffs and walking off the edge) will have all gone down. Therefore just raw excess deaths isn't accurate - but it is still more accurate than official government figures.

Hey is trying a new take on email – but maker complains of 'outrageous' demands after Apple rejects iOS app

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Now where have I seen something like that? I know, a text only e-mail client that allows filtering of incoming mail into various sub-folders that you can define and even allow moving a mail to one of those folders. Strange I have been using that since the mid 1990s. The fact it is text only prevents the 'click on a link' problem and I can see the full url although the spam filter tends to sort them out now after years of learning.
Most email clients allow disabling HTML/inline downloading and forcing it text only or keeping HTML but only displaying embedded elements that are contained in the email itself.

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Re: reply later

Outlook has a "followup" flag you can put on an email, with categories and a duration and reminders and being able to filter on them.

E.g. right-click->followup->today


ESET rushes to defend rival Malwarebytes in legal war sparked by vendor upset at 'unwanted program' labeling

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Only 2016?

competing anti-threat software can itself be a genuine threat if it contains bugs (e.g. Symantec's Norton Antivirus in 2016)

Someone got so fed up with GE fridge DRM – yes, fridge DRM – they made a whole website on how to bypass it

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Re: Next great idea

Well, HP are the only printer vendor I am aware of trying the subscription ink circus.

Ink-subscription services are pretty common in the business arena. When you have a couple hundred or more workgroup printers or floor-standing MFDs printing thousands of pages per week each, a subscription service makes sense.

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Re: Entirely legal

Using other than our brand of [whatever] voids this warranty.

Can't speak for the laws where-ever you are, but in Australia this is not the case, at least with respect to statutory warranties, but may apply to manufacturer extended warranties.

If an item isn't repaired correctly, then that can void the warranty with repect to those specific parts of the device affected by that repair. For example, a non-certified filter may void the warranty on the water/ice dispensing system, however it would not, for example, void the warranty on the compressor. And note also, that the onus is on the one providing the warranty to show that a particular non-approved repair is the cause of the malfunction that a warranty repair/return is being sought for.

Alo worth noting, in Australia, the warranty also applies to repairs by the manufacturer done previously under warranty, such that the part repaired has a new warranty equal to the length of the original warranty. E.g., if a compressor has a 3-year warranty and fails during that period and is reapired/replaced by the manufacturer, that repair itself now has a 3-year warranty on it from the date of the repair.

IBM quits facial recognition because Black Lives Matter

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Krishan also called for reform of police – and a database to record police misconduct

Says the vendor of a commercial enterprise-class DBMS.

Developers renew push to get rid of objectionable code terms to make 'the world a tiny bit more welcoming'

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Re: Then, there is Chess...

where half the pieces are mere pawns

Only half? That's a lot better than we have currently where it's more like 90%.

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Re: Master changed, really?

The term "trunk" comes from a tree analogy - you have a central trunk with branches diverging off it. Of course, the analogy breaks down when you try and explain merging branches back into the trunk...

Also breaks down if your archetypical tree used is the aspen (Populus tremuloides). This is a single tree with no central trunk, it has thousands of trunks that can spread over acres, the largest covering 106 acres.

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I suppose black hat and white hat has to go as well.

Dayhacker and nighthacker?

As I understand the origins of using black/white (no references to back this up, just vague memories from school etc.) to mean evil/good originated from night/day. Where only evil things happened at night (well before street lighting whether burning torches/candles/oil/gas/electric, when people huddled around their camp fires at night shrinking from the darkness), that's when the evildoers would do their thing under the cloak of darkness. If you were doing good works, you'd do it during the daylight.

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What colour alert will be used for the spore drive?

Not a colour as such, but:

Bullshit alert.

Barmy ban on businesses, Brits based in Blighty bearing or buying .eu domains is back: Cut-off date is Jan 1, 2021

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Re: I always thought .eu was for European nations, not the European Union.

And I posted on the article because I wanted to find out if .EU means "Europe" or "member of the European Union". It looks like it is supposed to be "Europe" but the European Parliament have decided to claim it for themselves.

The .eu domain was created for the European Union (EURid are the managers), not for the geographical region of Europe.

From timeline information:

The .eu TLD was added to the root zone of the Internet Domain Name System in March 2005. That means that, technically speaking, .eu has been in existence since then.

EURid was founded in April 2003 by the three organisations operating the national registries for Belgium, Italy and Sweden. Later the organisations operating the TLDs for the Czech Republic and for Slovenia also became members. The European Chapter of the Internet Society (ISOC) joined EURid in 2006, followed by the Business Europe organisation in 2007.

Between December 7, 2005 and April 6, 2006, the .eu registry began accepting applications for domain names on a limited basis. Only those individuals and organisations holding some type of legal protection for a name within a Member State of the European Union was eligible to apply for domain names during that time. This period of phased registration is referred to as the Sunrise period.

And the IANA delegation record has a delegation report linked to it, that states in the IANA report:

In August of 1999 the twoletter code “eu” was and is set forth on the ISO 3166-1 list (http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prodsservices/iso3166ma/index.html) maintained by the ISO 3166 Maintenance Agency (ISO 3166/MA) as the approved alpha2 code for the European Union. 

So .eu is and always has been a European Union TLD. (Which is basically what the wikipedia entry states, but to avoid any "Duh, that's from wikipedia, I don't trust wikipedia" I used some of the referenced source material from IANA and EURid)

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Re: I always thought .eu was for European nations, not the European Union.

Either way, I don't have an EU domain so I don't care.

Sure, it may not affect you, but apparently you do care, otherwise why post on this topic?

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if you're in a majority how come you lost a referendum and three elections?

For the referendum (which legally wasn't a refrerendum, as a referendum requires specific acts of parliament to be passsed specifying the legally binding requirements of the outcome of the referendum before it is held, it was legally an opinion poll), I'd put it down to the massive fraud and outright lies conducted by the leave campaign - £350m/week savings - and the apathy of the voting public, especially the younger - who didn't bother to vote because they didn't think leave would ever win, nor did the Prime Minister who started it, they never thought it would win, they thought they were just pandering to a minority who'd lose but have enough votes to ensure election victory.

As to the elections, people generally don't vote for MPs or governments based on a single issue, that is not how the paradigm of the entire system is based on. Candidates have policies on a range of issues, and it's the totality of those policies and issues that are the basis of voting for a candidate. Unfortunately, the leave campaign reverbrated so strongly amongst the ignorant minority that do vote based on single issues, thus betraying the paradigm the entire electoral system is based on, that tipped the balance.

It could be 'five to ten years' before the world finally drags itself away from IPv4

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Nobody wants it because it obsoletes the knowledge of everybody that is currently keeping the internet working and requires expensive training courses,

I disagree with that. For the people who actually run the Internet, it's their profession. They have no problems using/learning IPv6. It would surprise me if IPv6 knowledge wasn't a part of CCNE and other network engineering certifications for at least the last 15-years.

If you eat and breathe this stuff all day every day, as a professional working network engineer would, I doubt it would impose any issues.

The people who have a problem with it are the non-professional-network engineers like me. People who don't do network engineering as a profession. People who 20 years ago may have been network enginners, but these days have moved on to other things so would rather not have to learn IPv6 because it's no longer their profession, it's stuff they used to know that they find useful in their current jobs (dev, sysadmin, applicatoin architect, whatever) for 'big picture' or tracking down immediate application issues. Or people who learned IPv4 at university 30/20/10 years ago, and use it in their hobbies (home nettworks etc.), but don't want to have to learn IPv6 because inertia.

Learning new stuff can be hard if it's not directly part of professional responsibilities (network engineer) or it's outside active interest areas. I know enough IPv4 to get my network set up, how to diagnose issues, how to talk reasonable intelligently at a high level when troubleshooting sysadmin-type issues at work. But I don't 'do' networking in any detail day-to-day, therefore lerning IPv6 is an imposition since it is outside my area of expertise and IPv4 seems to work well enough for my purposes.

So most people who 'dabble' in networking just to get stuff working at home are not overly familiar with networking, they just know how to get their home IPv4 network working, and maybe a few ancillary services (DHCP, DNS). Having to expend the time and effort to learn IPv6 for them (me included) is a hurdle. I think this'll be like that saying about scientific theories, that theories lose favour as the generation that supported them die off and newer gnerations come along with new theories. I think IPv6 will be like that, as the young'uns learn IPv6 from the get-go at university, or the knowledge becomes more 'standard' such that it's where the IT-nerds start from and the oldsters like me whose TCP/IP nerding started with IPv4 before there was an v6, who know IPv4 but find IPv6 hard retire and die out ...

Smart fridges are cool, but after a few short years you could be stuck with a big frosty brick in the kitchen

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Re: Never understood this

It would make more sense in that case to have a standard interface of some sort with the fridge (USB? Serial?) that uses standard APIs for a device connected via the interface (or even just a continous feed of a publically available data format) to collect that data. Then that external device does any reporting necessary. e.g. a $30 Raspberry Pi Zero, which can be replaced separately to the $1k+ fridge.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hydrogen clouds in a far-away star system glowing from a supernova's last gasp

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I do apologise

More than 20 years ago a huge wave of energized interstellar gas was detected passing through the Big Dipper

I had a lot of beans for dinner that night.

Watchdog slams Pentagon for failing – for a third time – to migrate US military to IPv6

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Re: NAT is not a firewall

(basically, block all incoming connections but allow all outgoing).

Glad you aren't doing my firewall, that is incredibly naive for anything except a home/SMB, and even then easy but not ideal.

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While in an ideal world, that's what you'd do, the problem with government agencies, especially if they have any security role, is certification. Especially security-related devices (firewalls etc.) could have a very short 'certified devices' list, with certification taking years, and being quite expensive to undergo therefore you only tend to find larger companies on it as a small organisation isn't wlling to stump up the $20k+ it could cost just to get certified, with no guarantee of sales volume.

2 years ago, an organisation starting widely using an internal CA for internal environments (dev, testing etc.). But getting a certificate signed was a very manual process. So someone had a bight idea, why don't they buy a Hardware Security Module (HSM) to store the CA keys and make signing automated. There are decent ones availabe for only around $2k, perfectly suitable for lower value dev/test cert signing.

But then someone pointed out to that any such device had to be purchased from an approved supplier with a certified device. So the catalog was found and perused, and the only single certified HSM on it, certified 2 years prior, that was $40k.

Well, that bright idea faded fast.

And, if it goes to tender, you'll have fun issues (if it's of any significant value) like with the current cloud tender that's been going on for a couple years now with multiple court cases. Or the Boeing v Airbus KC-45 tanker fiasco.

'Beyond stupid': Linus Torvalds trashes 5.8 Linux kernel patch over opt-in Intel CPU bug mitigation

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I'm probably misunderstanding this:

Singh replied: "I am not so sure. A user can host multiple tasks and if one of them was compromised, it would be bad to let it allow the leak to happen. For example if the plugin in a browser could leak a security key of a secure session, that would be bad."

But as a user, I can run a debugger or dtrace or something and read the memory of any process running under my userid.

Therefore, couldn't one process running under my ID, if it was being deliberately malicious, just exec a debugger or dtrace (or include that functionality within its codebase) and hook into and read the memory of any other process I own anyway?

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Re: git broke English

Both "huck" and "chuck" were used in Australia, though I think 'chuck' is more common.

Interestingly, WikiDiff's article on the differences lists a more extensive set of meanings for "chuck" vs "huck", and note that one of the meanings of "huck" is:


(informal) to throw or chuck

Which implies to me that since chuck has many more potential meanings, and that one of the meanings of huck is chuck, that "huck" derived from chuck by just dropping the 'c' to have a word that has a more specific subset of "chuck".

e.g. chuck steak (steak from the shoulder), chuck steak (throw/toss some steak)

Whereas "huck steak" really has only one meaning (I think, IANALinguist), to throw some steak.

Choose your own adventure: HP's new Omen 15 gaming laptop offers choice between AMD and Intel processors

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Well? Dell kit all supports main line Linux.

Mainlining anything without medical supervision is not advised.

Nokia's reboot of the 5310 is a blissfully dumb phone that will lug some mp3s about just fine

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Re: Would this be a good 'phone to have ...

I was going to claim it's a typo, but I suspect it might be a Freudian slip.

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Re: Would this be a good 'phone to have ...

Can't speak for where ever you are, but in Australia all 2G networks have been shit down since 2018 with the spectrum repurposed for the higher G's.

Linus Torvalds drops Intel and adopts 32-core AMD Ryzen Threadripper on personal PC

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Re: AMD Dreams

No. It was already and had been for a long time, possible to do that. Address lines rarely map directly to the the instruction size (they don't for the AMD64 current architecture, either) and physical memory addressing is orthogonal to instruction size. There is no "4G (sic)" limit. It's true that you need more than 32 bits for a memory address higher than 4 GiB but that's actually nothing to do with the processor's instruction size - 32 bit processors were addressing more than that long before people were worrying about it being a problem. PAE was the standard that addressed it, and it dates to 1995 (Pentium Pro), it also was directly extended to form the standard for memory addressing used in the AMD64 architecture.

PAE extended memory addresses to 36bits, which allowed the processor to address up to 64GB of physical memory. However, individual processes were still limited to a virtual address size of 4GB. So with PAE on pre-64-bit processors you could have multiple processes that require 4GB each to run, but none of those indvidual processes could address more the 4GB. Therefore in the OPs example of DB/2, that is directly referring to DB/2 process image sizes larger than 4GB, and java JVMs greater than 4GB, and so on. PAE didn't allow that, and being able to have an 8GB, 16GB or more individual process image is a huge boon for workloads that need large data sets, such as databases or statistical software like 'R'.

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Re: AMD Dreams

But in the end, it failed even on technical grounds - it just didn't perform. It relies heavily on static analysis which is very inflexible.

Which is the job of the compiler on IA-64, which is what I meant by:

(among other things, like the concept never working as noone could get a proper optimizing compiler to work well on it)

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Re: AMD Dreams

The big gain in the move to x86_64 was the ability to directly address more than 4G of RAM. At the time ('05?) that was becoming important. IBM had it in POWER and it really made a difference in DB/2.

There was a delay in bringing 64-bit addressing to x86. As you noted POWER had it before x86, as did SPARC (1994), Alpha, and Intel's own IA-64 (Itanium). But that was intentional by Intel.

Back then, as now, Intel loved to segment the market, to be able to push more SKUs with slightly differnet feature sets to better monetize their products (read: screw over the customers by ripping them off). Now there are different editions of essentially the same Intel CPU that have different memory support, not different types of memory, different sizes of memory.

Take for example the current 8280, 8280M and 8280L, which are essentially the same CPU. They are all 28c/56t, 2.7GHz-4.0GHz, 6 channel memory, 205W TDP processors. The only difference is 1TB, 2TB and 4.5TB respectively RAM support, costing approximate list price1 of $10k, $13k and $17k. Purely so Intel can charge a premium for greater RAM capabilities, there is no technical necessity in the different RAM limits or cost to Intel in supporting 1TB vs 4TB2.

In the early 2000's Intel was intentionally segementing the x86 market into low-RAM 32-bit x86, and if you wanted high-RAM 64-bit you'd go IA-64. It took AMD's AMD64 to break that, and Intel adopting AMD64 as x86-64 in its own processors to counter AMD was a major setback for their IA-64 (among other things, like the concept never working as noone could get a proper optimizing compiler to work well on it).


1. no-one ever pays list price. It's the starting point for negotiating on price. Anyone buying one of these processors will pay substantially less, like 20% less. Anyone buying a significant volume, say fitting out a data centre with scores or hundreds, will pay 50% or less in all likliehood. But the ratio difference between the different memory support models remains in effect.

2. As evidenced by AMDs server-processor model where every server CPU can support 4TB of RAM. There is no RAM capacity segmentation.

Software bug in Bombardier airliner made planes turn the wrong way

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No, no, the other left.

I am turning left, but I'm taking the scenic route, turning right through 270degrees.

After 30 years of searching, astroboffins finally detect the universe's 'missing matter' – using fast radio bursts

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Re: average office

I was thinking along the lines of using energy units like with eV (via E=mc2), but it appears there are no RU's (Reg Units) for energy. But I have a vague idea of what could be used for energyu units (see icon).

Surprise! That £339 world's first 'anti-5G' protection device is just a £5 USB drive with a nice sticker on it

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see icon.

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Re: Paris... because...

We need a Goop/Gwyneth icon .

Boeing brings back the 737 Max but also lays off thousands

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Re: It still doesn't look good for air travel

People have short memories,

Ted Danslow (Ernest Borgnine) said it best in Baseketball

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Re: "more than a dozen initiatives focused on enhancing workplace safety and product quality"

My guess would be that Boeing has a bunch of customers with contracts signed many years ago that are obligated to either take the aircraft -- certified or not -- or pay a substantial contract cancellation payment.

Bad guess. They have long-running contracts with customers for airworthy 737 MAX aircraft. If an aircraft is not certified, it is not airworthy, therefore Boeing would be in breach of their supply contract.

There was an article in the Seattle Times (Boeing's "home town" newspaper, therefore they have a local interest in Boeing journalism) about large cancellations of 737 MAXs vs Airbus aircraft (A320's) from the same airline (i.e. airline A had both 737 MAX and A320 orders, and they cancelled or reduced their MAX orders but leaving A320 ones untouched) because it was easier for airlines to get out of their purchase contracts weith Boeing because they could cite Boeing for non-compliance, where they had no such get-out with Airbus-ordered.

Ah, found the article, Boeing takes new blow with Avolon scrapping $3.8 billion 737 MAX order and this is the relevant quote:

“I do expect this to be the start of loads of deferrals and cancellations. I suspect that the Max is easier to cancel, and get back your deposit, as its been grounded for almost 13 months now,” said Nick Cunningham, an analyst at Agency Partners in London.

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for the inevitable bail out they be getting at some stage

They won't be getting a bailout any time soon, as they have had an injection of $25B through private investment and debt raising in April.

Boeing rules out federal aid after raising $25 billion of bonds

Boeing’s company debt now larger than New Zealand’s after huge bond sale

Boeing’s ‘monster’ debt offering is a double-edged sword

If that money runs out within 24 months they will be so debt-laden I doubt they would be recoverable as a going concern at all unless the government nationalises them. They would probably go into bankruptcy and be split up and sold off as multiple independent business units, say military aircraft to LM or another large - solvent - defense contractor.

IBM's sacking spree reaches Australia – and as staff wait to exit, they're offered AU$4k to find new workers

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And to make matters worse, those emails are still landing in Lotus/IBM/HCL Notes inboxes!

Some cc:Mail inboxes too I imagine!

You E-diot! Formula E driver booted off Audi team after getting video game ace to take his place in online race

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Re: Integrity?

"Integrity, transparency and consistent compliance with applicable rules are top priorities for Audi...

...except when it comes to diesel emissions testing, obviously."


Or :

"Integrity, transparency and consistent compliance with applicable rules have now become top priorities for Audi since we realise there may be consequences for it being otherwise"

eBay users spot the online auction house port-scanning their PCs. Um... is that OK?

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It'll likely be used, along with other information, to assign a probability of fraud to the actions you're talking.

That is how threatmetrix works, yes. They calculate probabilities, and pass that on to their client (ebay in this case) as a threat rating, and it is up to the client to decide what to do with the threat rating. So, for example (random non-specific), usually you don't get prompted for 2-factor authentication when making a purchase on checkout. But for this transaction, for some reason they require 2-factor. It's likely something like threatmetrix (or similar service) has told ebay that this transaction has a higher threat rating than usual, but not so high as to just block it entirely.

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Re: Isn't this the same company that has users download DLL-files?

Any file extension in a URL is not necessarily tied to any particular file type, server-side.

Any file extension anywhere is not necessarily tied to a particular file type. A file extension is nothing more than a part of the name of a file, and some systems (looking at you Windows) make assumptions about a file based on a file extension.

Record-breaking Aussie boffins send 44.2 terabits a second screaming down 75km of fiber from single chip

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Re: Only part of the problem

75Km is not very far.

Hate to break it to you, but undersea cables currently have repeaters/amplifiers every 70-150km on them already. It's not a single unrepeatered/unamplified run of 5000km (or whatever the actual distance is, I don't have a ruler that long) across the Atlantic.

75km puts it within the range of current, unamplified distances (at the lower end sure, but still within the range).

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Re: Cool.

... Salt-water crocs, stingers, irukandji, funelweb, taipan, death adder, dog-drowning kangaroos, peacock spiders ...

Dude, where's my laser?

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Re: "Of course, in the '70s, active correction of the beam was not an option."

Would that be the Mark 85 laser?

Capture the horrors of war in razor-sharp quality with this ruggedised Samsung phone – or just lob it at enemy forces

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Re: Vocab

The wikipeidia article is weird, I think it's broken.

In the 'introduction' of the article, it says 1972 is the first recorded usage of chaebol, but in the actual 'Entymology' section it says the 1980's.

The 1972 date is referenced from merriam-webster dictionary reference [2]), whereas the entymology is from the Oxford dictionary (reference [1]) that doesn't include the date in its reference. So not sure where the author of the wikipedia article got 1980's from, as that date is in neither of the supplied dictionary references. but the 1972 one it.

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Re: Vocab

Not to mention that the word has been around for 40 years, as per wikipedia's article on the word:

The word chaebol derived from the McCune–Reischauer romanization, chaebŏl, of the Korean word jaebeol (재벌, from jae "wealth or property" + beol "faction or clan" – also written with the same Chinese characters 財閥 as Zaibatsu in Japan).[2] The word entered English use in the 1980s.[1]

UK's Ministry of Defence: We'll harvest and anonymise private COVID-19 apps' tracing data by handing it to 'behavioural science' arm

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Re: Quelle Surprise!

Or maybe they should train their staff in how to use email?

Facebook to surround all of Africa in optical fibre and tinfoil

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'iOS security is f**ked' says exploit broker Zerodium: Prices crash for taking a bite out of Apple's core tech

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Re-open the schools!

"There are likely a lot of hackers stuck at home with extra time on their hands, ..."

We need to get all those hackers kids back into school so they don't have the time to do all this hacking.


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