Re: UKIPpers take note
It worries me that we need protecting from our own governments ...
98 posts • joined 19 Mar 2010
"The Care.data scheme must not be allowed to proceed until patients have received individual unbiased notification and given their full and explicit consent"
Gerry could I add
And until a full explanation of what is happening to the data and any money made by selling it is given, and is easily available.
The ICO will take no action if you are an individual recording members of the public fr 'personal use', I have checked this with the ICO after someone recorded patients in a hospital. As far as the ICO was concerned the person concerned was not recording on behalf of an organisation so it wasn't of interest to them.
Not all Eurpoean judgements on Data Protection affect the UK, our Data Protection regulations are not quite the same as the res of Europe, and, the Information Commissioner allows a lot of leeway for journalistic purposes etc.
'Not, you'll note, "she was convicted in New York State of drug charges". Innocent until... Not to mention that no detail is given about these charges. It could have been a quarter of weed. It could have been some under the counter meds.'
Not to disagree with you, but even if she had been guilty of illegal possesion of drugs, presumably for personal use looking at the charge sheet, they had no right to do what they did. The DEA were, as others have pointed out risking her life by using her details this way.
I only hope the weasel who set her up faces criminal charges.
"I vaguely recall we came close to doing this in the UK a few years ago. To stop the kiddie porn traders, of course"
I am sure our political masters qill learn from the Russians and bring in simnilar legislation to this country. After all our great leader seems to spend a lot of time thinking of the children.
.. to be careful what you put on Facebook.
I presume there's a way to protect images you upload? Perhaps people putting pics of themselves on public websites should think about what precautions to take. After all when the police come knocking on your door they're not likely to listen to you protestations of innocence, until your name's been dragged through the mud and you've been down to the station for 'a little chat to clear things up ...'
One of the commentards suggested the Head sue for defamation. In a way I think that should have been his approach. I am sure any decent solicitor would have explained to him why that was a bad idea, and might have stopped him making a fool of himself.
Or maybe he wouldn't have listened ...
From the ICO website:
“Ms ***** escaped with only a relatively minor penalty and no criminal record. The government must act now to introduce tougher penalties for individuals who illegally access and disclose personal information.
“This is not just a criminal breach of the Data Protection Act, but it also led to a police investigation of alleged domestic abuse being dropped.”
So was she charged with a criminal offence of not? The ICO brought the prosecution, at the least they should have done a better job of presenting the case.
I dunno if this case strengthens the argument in the States for gun ownership or not.
Can't help but think though that in the UK the phone call would have gone:
"Police there's a drug crazed burglar in my house I'm terrified he might hurt someone."
"All right sir, calm down, we'll have someone round in half an hour or so to give you a crime number so you can claim on the insurance."
"I'm pointing a gun at him, if he attacks me I'll shoot."
"Our armed response team is on its way now."
Sound of sirens helicopter overhead much confusion the arrest of the homeowner and counselling offered to the poor victim of the terrible crime - namely the burglar.
If I sound bitter, sorry but my wife was attacked in a supermarket by a violent shoplifter who was stopped by a member of the public. the police spent more time trying to find the 'have a go hero' so they could charge him with assault than putting together a proper case against the actual offender.
As for the shoplifter he was given counselling, social services supported him, free legal of course, aid and help and eventually a sentence of three months probation. (He already had the proverbial record as long as your arm.)
It seems that the govenment nneds to ahve the courage of its convictions.
Build more and more and more prisons.
Round up all the adult males in the country, not employed as cops of course. (They need to enforce injustice.)
Incarcerate the said males and release them only when they can prove thay are NOT perv, pedos etc.
Maybe that will be the next step.
"No, it isn't. What does the data protection office have to say about all this? Should you not have gone to them for a quote? I bet they would be interested in this sort of thing."
You're kidding right?
The ICO couldn't give a ***** It's not apublic body, so in the view of the Idiot Control Office - no harm done, end of.
Couldn't agree more with parts of your post.
At the last public body I was at they appointed a new head of the Help Desk (quite a senior post). His experience with Windows? He had been selling them the double glazing kind.
He needed help even getting on to the network but he knew the right people so his position was safe.
Three times I have complained ot the ICO about people's bank account details being passed to me (I have no need to se them) by insurance comapnies.
Emailed about a BLOG which identified patients.
Response: a BLOG is for journalistic purposes so is exempt fromt eh Data Protection Act.
...who thinks that if you pass an act supporting open government, and openness in government, it's not a good idea to go to war on a dodgy premise?
(Or should that be wars on dodgy premises?)
And how can the police ask for a tenner for an FOI request? It's supposed to be free!
I have to agree.
I've been involved in something similar, explained tot he employee what she was doing wrong and how to make sure she got the right address.
i) it wasn't her (showed her the email trail so show it was)
ii) I wasn't important enough to tell her how to do her job.
She carried on sending info to the wrong person. She has left us now (probably promoted).
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