Re: Judybleats
"....feel free to just skip over that sort of moral argument...." So, having lost all the legal arguments, having run out of dubious half-truths, and having had all your "factual" points thoroughly debunked, you retreat to the fact-free "moral" argument, the last stand of the discredited.
"....But basically, if lots of people complain that it is wrong, then , normally, it's wrong...." You mean just because you noisy 0.099% think you're right the rest of us should just go with what you say? Sorry, think again. TBH, get over yourself.
"....Keith Vaz, David Davis, Nick Clegg, Yvette Cooper...." AKA, Keith-Rentaquote-Vaz, David Not-fair-I-want-to-be-the-Tory-leader Davis, Nick No-I-want-to-be-the-Tory-leader-more-than-Davis Clegg, and Yvette We-couldn't-get-hold-of-Vaz Cooper? Wow, with those kinds of shining examples of heroism, you're a sure-fire for success - not. I'm quite comfortable in predicting the next election will be fought over real issues such as the economy, and not bleating points.
"....You appear to have ignored the fact that my argument has consistently been that they should have used appropriate laws, like the OSA, but chose not too because those don't allow for forced questioning....." You are ignoring the fact it matters not one jot. They could have stopped him under a Schedule 7 and - if they found half-a-kilo of coke up his rectum - still charged him with possession of drugs. The police do not have to ignore evidence of a crime that is different from the initial reason for a stop and search, be it an ordinary stop and search on the street or a Schedule 7. And, as already discussed, and completely ignored by you, it could be argued that the secrets would be of use to terrorists, therefore the original Schedule 7 stop was applicable. Keep denying it until you are blue in the face, it was all completely legal and very unlikely to change. Enjoy!
"....Well to some extent - they haven't even been charged with anything (yet), never mind convicted , so on the face of it why would you say they have Matt?...." Greenwald has in his possession secret material covered by the OSA, and whilst you may be so blind as to think he has done nothing wrong, it speaks volumes that Greenwald was too scared to go see Poitras himelf. Obviously he doesn't share your conviction that he wouldn't be arrested.
"....Has the little judge and jury inside of you already decided the sentence?...." It was you that was insisting they had not broken any laws despite it not going to court. I am pointing out that there are numerous articels on the Web from respected news sources (with legal teams, not bleating sheeple bloggers), that have pointed out that the stop was completely legal, and that Miranda was in breach of the OSA if he did have classified documents relating to GCHQ in his possession. Maybe you should try reading more than just IndyMedia?
"....What will you do if they never get charged, or get proven innocent?...." Well, seeing as the police are preparing a case, it looks like charges will be presented at least against Miranda shortly. At that point it will get interesting as Miranda is unlikely to volunteer to leave Brazil and return to the UK to face prosecution, so whilst he may never be convicted he will never be proven innocent, and will always be a fugitive from justice. Should the police find evidence in his data linking Patrois and Greenwald to the stolen docs then it gets real interesting - Greenwald spouting of about GCHQ is one thing, but Greenwald definitively linked to evidence is another matter. Again, Greenwald might not care too much from his Rio hideaway, but Poitras is in Europe and therefore vulnerable to an European arrest warrant. Whilst Merkel may be playing for votes in an election year, I doubt if she'll be willing to deny an extradition to the UK. But I bet you didn't want to consider any of that.
"....What about the spying on the embassies, UN and stuff Matt?...." Shall we wait to see if a case ever gets presented in any court? You know, with actual evidence presented. What was that about making yourself judge and jury? LOL, try again, lambikins.
".....So, unless David has dual nationality or handed over documents in the UK or associated crown territory, section 5 does not apply, he isn't an employee of the Guardian and is only handing documents over to Greenwald or Poitras, so the publication of the documents isn't directly connected to him...." All complete cobblers - he just has top be in possession of the material, full stop. And his couriering them between Poitras and Greenwald is definitely aiding in their illegal publication, so you fail again. The rest of your laughable attempt at rewriting the OSA is simply too stupid for words, but I have submitted it to the Plain English Campaign as an extreme case of complete gobbleydegook masquerading as an argument.
"....you might have a case if they hadn't taken all these documents off of him before letting him go...." That's like saying the police can't possibly re-arrest someone just because they had to release them before all the evidence was tested. Imagine if the police caught a known drug-dealer with a bag of pills, but couldn't get the lab results back on the pills before having to release him. By your argument, should the lab results later come back saying the tablets are Ecstacy the coppers would not be allowed to re-arrest and charge the dealer - what complete and utters bollocks! Please say you work in teh legal profession, for Bindmans maybe, and that you will be representing that other complete tosser Assange soon?
"....you show exactly part of one document...." Documents that prove my points. And you showed none at all. Face it, you lost again, Miranda got the lawyer of his arrangement if not personal choice (he delegated the choice to Greenwald). All your hairsplitting and denial does not change that simple fact, and does not stop me exposing the lie you continue to make when you claim the police did not let him have a lawyer.
"....The fact that one turned up would be hard to ignore once the diplomatic and legal thumbscrews come on...." What complete bollocks! Kendall was taken to Miranda within 40 minutes of having turned up unannounced and without the correct documentation, and "diplomatic and legal thumbscrews" had nothing to do with it. The Brazillians had been told politely and correctly of the legal matter and told to go through diplomatic channels (AKA, "go get stuffed"), and were busy sulking and huffing ineffectually, not even knowing who Kendall was! And Kendall's hilariously lackadaisical progress to Heathrow makes me wonder if Bindmans had employed thumbscrews upong themselves! ROFLMAO!
"....So, in this situation, someone as well connected as he is can't get a lawyer there for 8 out of 9 hours of the questioning, and the maximum is 9 hours, and according to you this is only to be expected on a Sunday, with the Airport being so far away etc...." That is what the facts show, and all you have are wild accusations and no facts to back up your bleatings. Fail! In fact, your whole diatribe and all your posts are simply fail throughout. At least you're consistant.