RE: Tukwila blades or Stuperdoom...either way a loser
Oh dear, didn't Ms Kebabfart get the memo about trying to raise the industry's perception of women in computing, not blow it with poor quality FUDfests? XD
"Bottom line: Microsoft is pulling the plug on Itanium....." Real bottom line - hp still makes more out of WIndows on x64 than IBM, and will benefit most as x64 continues to eat into the RISC space. And since Power can't run Windows the sum effect is no benefit whatsoever to IBM, just some frothing and FUD from their trolls.
"....HP is not dominating the highend market. Power 595 outsells superdome I think 3 to 1....." I'm beginning to see that thinking is not your strong point. Both Gartner and IDC disagree with your "thinking", and the average unit shipment values discussed in the thread http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/02/24/gartner_q4_2009_servers/ show that hp is shipping the enterprise high-end boxes, not IBM. That is unless you want to contend that IBM are giving away top-end servers for $60K-odd a pop, which sounds even worse than the old Sun desperation.
"...Not sure why anyone would buy a Stuperdoom...." Well, I'll try and explain in small words so you don't get too confused. In our benchmarks, the Superdomes have been outperforming the pSeries offerings for years. I think you'll find there's quite a few other customers that came to the same conclusion (try here, for example http://h71028.www7.hp.com/integrity/w1/en/high-end/superdome-anniversary-case-studies.html). Please try and tell me in all those Superdome sales there weren't any head-to-heads with pSeries where Power didn't do the job as well as the hp package. If I remember correctly, even AMD chose Superdome over pSeries to run the software for Opteron manufacturing!
"....waiting for the joke which will arrive in August..." Sorry, are we talking about the new top-line Power7 kit now? After all, that won't be available to customers until "August earliest, more likely September", as told to me by our IBM rep. Please feel free to disagree with him, but unless you're in IBM I don't see how you could possibly know more than him.
"....The Tukwila blades will be a clear indicator that HP is divesting in Itanium...." Now that did make me laugh! How can hp taking advantage of its massive lead in the blades market be a bad thing or "divesting"? Everyone knows hp has been leading the blades market for years, even TPM will grudgingly admit it. And I don't see any talk of Power8 blades on the IBM website - has IBM given up on Power blades? They've already cancelled the Cell blades, as reported here on the Reg. Is IBM planning only x64 blades for the next gen BladeCenter? You IBMers really should learn to stay away from the blades topic, it just makes it too easy!
"....Ok HP can group 1, 2 or 4 together ....." Hmmm, so being able to plug modular blades into one larger SMP instance is bad (I'm guessing 'cos IBM can't do it with their blades), but good when IBM do it with their rack servers? Back to troll school for you!
"....but the low performance..." Again, please supply full details of the benchmarking session you have personally run to get any performance comparison (not holding my breath). Oh, was that an admission you haven't even seen the kit, let alone benched it? I suppose the next claim will be that you're a natural blonde, an athletic 5'6'' and with natural 34DDs?
".....and 4core/65nm chips...." How is the chip size a problem if it does the job in real World situations? Can you even spell "feature-sell"? Ask my CEO if he's more worried about our next CRM system performing to requirements, reliably and to a good price, or whether he is concerned that the chips inside are 65nm, 45nm or 25nm? Since I'm also guessing you don't do much of that real business stuff I'm going to say you think he thinks the size of the chips is a really important issue. I'm hoping you're not going to be part of our IBM account team as I'd actually like to get some Power7 kit to play with, not have IBM get laughed out of the building.
"....and lack of sx3000 is a major problem...." What lack of sx3000? You're just making up stuff on the fly now. I can just as validly say that since the new top-end Power7 kit won't be here until August/September that IBM "must have a problem" with the new Power7 chipsets. Well, I would if I was a frothing troll without a clue.
".....Power is taking over the Unix market with HP and Sun being a very distant third place....." Maths is obviously also not one of your hot topics, but a quick check of the Gartner and IDC figures should show even someone as challenged as yourself the truth. Please also try and grasp the concept of what IBM call "leakage" - that's sales that go from being UNIX on EPIC/RISC to being Linux or Windows on x64. The reason this concerns IBM so much is they know the majority of those "leakages" go onto hp ProLiant, which means as the UNIX market shrinks it is hp that benefits most, not IBM.
"....Power7 is the successor for cell...." No, Power is a generic chip that cannot replace the specialised Cell, it is just IBM trying to cut costs as they can't sustain development and production cost of the two lines.
"....and the PS4 is proof of that...." Sony don't have a choice. IBM have dropped them in it, and - like Apple and PowerPC - they're only choice for the next gen PS will be an x64 chip as Power will be far too expensive to compete with other gamestations or gaming PCs. How much money will IBM be losing on each PS4 chip given that they flog the Power CPUs out at many thousands of dollars each? Sorry, I shouldn't really ask you that given your maths issues, it would only give you a headache as you try to reach a conclusion.
"....Intel does not like wasting money...." So who says Itanium is "wasting" Intel's money? Please provide the Intel business report that states that Itanium is losing Intel money. Oh, another surprise, not - you can't. Just more unsubstantiated FUD (I wouldn't accuse a lady of blatent lying). With the MIPS vendors long gone, Sun down on the matt, Fudgeitso on the ropes and IBM spinning like crazy, it looks like Itanium has been a cracking investment for Intel.
"....HP only leades in x86 because of Compaq..." <Yawn> Yes, and hp bought Compaq how many years ago? If hp had done nothing since to grow their x86/64 marketshare then they would have fallen back after all the years, whereas the reality is a constant stream of innovations and developments have not just kept Compaq customers loyal but also meant gains in marketshare at the expense of IBM, Dell, and Fudgeitso. What must really gall IBMers is that even the combined hp and Compaq was still a much smaller company than IBM, but they managed to outperfrom IBM in the market. Maybe that's because, unlike mainframes, x64 is not a monopoly.
".....losing that install base since they have not been able to have an 8 socket system..." Do you do any research before posting your waffle? The gartner report mentioned above says hp again shipped the most server units. And if you had even the slightest inkling about the market then you'd know that the biggest seller is not 8-ways but 2-socket servers (like the hp ProLiant DL380, again the largest selling 2-socket server for Gawd alone knows how many quarters). Your schpiel is all the more amusing given how hard IBM FUDed the 8-socket DL785 G5 servers over the last few years. I'm not surprised you're flipping 180 degrees now you're finally back in the 8-socket x64 market with an Intel-chipped server.
"....p7 is not simplified cores like Niagara..." Power6 saw IBM move ahead away from old-style RISC and out-of-order execution (just like EPIC), because even IBM had to admit RISC has had its day. But power6 had problems and had no headroom for development, after the minor boosts of Power6+. So now IBM have switched back to what is essentially a Power4/5 core with die-shrink and a few extra features. - hardly revolutionary. Scared witless of the growing core count of Nehalem and Magny Cours, IBM have done exactly what Sun did with Niagara - go back to an old core that was easier to manufacture and shrink it so they can get as many cores as possible onto a die. The end result is they get faster clock (by die shrink) and abandon any pretence to real development. The problem for Power is their RISC design has hit the buffers, there is nowhere else to go, and they can only keep doing die-shrinks for so long because they cannot compete with the the economies of scale of the x64 juggernaut.
"....x86 on the low end and Power on the highend with the added killer of Oracle pricing is what killed SPARC...." Power on the high-end? Debateable, especially as hp-ux on Integrity has outsold Power in the high-end for years. But seeing as Oracle's leading partner is hp (more new Oracle installs go on new hp servers than any other vendor) and hp is the leading Wintel/Lintel vendor by a mile, I can actually agree with you in that hp and Intel killed Sun (with a small helping hand from Armonk).
"....Matt....what happened? You were starting to move over to the Power camp...." Just because you confused my willingness to give both platforms a chance in real World tests does not mean I am going to act as an echo chamber for your vacuous FUD. FUD is just a way to turn customer off. And seeing as your FUD is the equivalent of you peeing in your shrinking pool I think I'll stay out here in the open sea, thanks.
/SP&L, though rather sad at the fall in quality of IBM trolls.