* Posts by Doctor_Wibble

713 publicly visible posts • joined 23 Jul 2009

Windows 10 Anniversary Update completely borks USB webcams. Yay.

Doctor_Wibble
Devil

Equally conflicted, different reasons... Re: Oh, for the love of...

Having spent many joyous hours playing with webcams on W9x and their marvellous ways of requiring 15 gigs of unsplittable driver-plus-crap-program just so you could have an unscalable 20x30 jumpy postage-stamp of a moving thumbnail (with the rounded-corner window, be still my beating heart, that so makes it worth it) I am happy to see such things condemned to oblivion. I sympathise with affected users but it's only fair that everyone gets to enjoy such indignity reminiscent of ye olden dayes.

If that also indirectly means pain for the manufacturers who thought that it was all a price the plebs would think was worth paying for their unreliable hardware then so much the better. See also venom wrt driver version 2.1.1.1.1b not working with camera version 2.1.1.1.1a because the addition of a small dot on the casing makes it all totally completely incompatible between identical hardware, USB webcam makers the only people worse than printer makers.

I'm not bitter, just small-minded and vindictive. It's my right, I'm allowed.

... and breathe...

Three times as bad as malware: Google shines light on pay-per-install

Doctor_Wibble
Stop

Re: Oh, the irony...

> stuff which I'd certainly not really want into the code of things like Android and Chrome

Prompted by the article and not entirely unrelated to 'unexpected features of surfing', I wondered if Lop.com was still a problem and apparently (15 years later?) it is! Though with default mobile-device browsers it just sends everything you type in the URL bar to the 'preferred search provider' rather than forcibly redirecting you to their home page.

It's all forced upon us, the level of objection is dependent on the manner of the forcing...

BBC detector vans are back to spy on your home Wi-Fi – if you can believe it

Doctor_Wibble
Trollface

Re: How to fek with WiFi scum.

> Turn the inside of your domicile into a Faraday Cage such that none of your inside WiFi signal can be detected beyond the walls.

Great idea but it will all refllect back inwards and cook you from the inside out if you are not careful so the only way to be safe is to get an extra-large industrial microwave oven and live inside that, making sure it's tied in to switch on when your wifi is active so it cancels out the signal.

The best way to do this is have everything activated only when the door is closed from the inside - after getting that sorted you won't have to worry about anyone bothering you.

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Black Helicopters

Re: Eeny, meeny, miny, moe

> Because we're all going to be really helpful and change our SSIDs to show our postal addresses, aren't we?

No need, location features (or others when these are supposedly disabled) on devices ensure they already have this via ad/search/analytics providers, whether by a broadcast SSID or the non-broadcast one you are using at the moment, all easily tied together by frequency of usage of that node, orders, delivery addresses etc and if it's wifi direct from your modem/router box then there's likely to be giveaways there too.

Just because we can't see an immediate direct link does not mean that the all-seeing and more importantly all-remembering bingoogly overlord has not just cross-referenced you with that time when you accidentally clicked 'email image' instead of 'save image as' which triggered a nicely identifying query to at least a couple of places so they can give you a convenient login icon complete with tags.

[ e2a: and the 'feature' noted by nil0 above ]

Milk IN the teapot: Innovation or abomination?

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Mushroom

Abomination! Why is this even a question?

Everything that could have been done wrong was done wrong. If two wrongs don't make a right then why would three or four?

I've only ever seen milk pre-added to tea in a klix machine (instant tea mentioned above) and a clearly labelled industrial Ern* back in the days when there was no such weirdness as black tea. If you wanted a hot drink without milk you had coffee.

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* ref. E.Morecambe passim.

Server vendor has special help desk for lying, incompetent sysadmins

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Thumb Up

Re: Wrong sized hammer

> A light tap on the side of the HD was enough to loosen the bearings and allow the disc to spin up.

I can also recommend a pair of (normal-sized) pliers held by the nose is just the right weight and the handle rubber just enough to enable just the right amount of tap without having to be too fussy about over-enthusiasm and/or frustration. It's also rather more discreet than a hammer when in an environment where non-technical management is more likely to fire a person than order a replacement HD.

In a box somewhere I have one labelled 'clout to start' and another marked 'manual twirl', a fun thing to try in a cramped case with that barely-reaching IDE cable without dislodging anything else or shorting it when dropping the only accessible screw that's required to keep the thing from falling on the fan.

The person who invented that mousetrap game definitely had a hand in some of the more 'innovative' case designs that are out there.

Doctor_Wibble
Devil

Wrong sized hammer

People just think you hit it with a hammer, but there is an art to assessing which hammer to use and exactly how much excessive force to apply. And which sacred chant to speak, how much blood is required etc.

Or you can have a hardware problem that you thought was a software problem because you didn't get a blue screen or a kernel panic and that checksum error when uncompressing the massive file just delivered is only a patch away or you should have used supersuperultrazip instead of ultrasupersuperzip which is just for amateurs. And until it was figured out the poor sod was feeling like the only person on the entire planet who was incapable of unzipping a file. Beer therapy fixed that though.

Here WeGo! Google Maps rival drops Maps branding

Doctor_Wibble
Trollface

Fire everyone!

There is no 'h' in " 'ere we go ".

And if it's only written once then that's twice that it's wrong. In triplicate.

By 2040, computers will need more electricity than the world can generate

Doctor_Wibble
Facepalm

Re: what will all these computers be computing

FFS "bainfart", that's a typo, not a reference to French surrealism, though perhaps oddly it does seem to be a more appropriate term...

Doctor_Wibble
Boffin

Re: what will all these computers be computing

Very likely to be close to the truth, as it's certainly not domestic computing - more efficient machinery means my home power consumption has dropped significantly over the last few years, in spite of having far too much electronic tat switched on.

Obviously 'advertising' includes big search engines, timewasting 'friend' sites, large webmail providers, social media bainfart sharing systems etc...

Presumably the other significant part of the power usage is from the various simulation-related machines, primarily space and weather, i.e. stuff with an actual purpose?

BT customers hit by broadband outage ... again

Doctor_Wibble
Headmaster

Re: "DNS Issues"

The defrag is to mitigate one particular problem, which is to keep the user occupied while we figure out WTF is actually wrong.

It's not always defrag, depending on the user (or official answers card) but there's any number of diversions available that have at least some marginal benefit so if anyone asks we can talk about it being a sensible precautionary thing. And for the most part the relatively few people who do spot it for what it is will generally understand and even appreciate the semi-conspiratorial admission that they are right. Occasionally works as good PR but depends on how well you handle deviations from the official flow chart, if you are unlucky enough to have one.

Teech cos I is lecturin a bit, sorry...

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Black Helicopters

Re: Nothing to do

> ...the recent Government report ...

No, it's because the Snoopers Charter is back in the works and the black boxes are being installed. Every major outage happens around the same time as the charter reappears, and always in a different place because obviously you don't install the things in the same place twice.

Check the records, you'll see I'm right!

Black helicopter as there's no point being AC any more because They know, They always know, as though They were right in here with me in my secret location under the stairs.

Oh no, They are back! How do They keep finding me?!?!?

Correction: There was no hangman's noose, claims Hyperloop countersuit ... it was a cowboy's lasso

Doctor_Wibble
Gimp

Rope on a chair, threat or invitation?

This is one of the reasons not to make cryptic advances to colleagues because an invitation to a bondage session can be misinterpreted as a threat. Then of course you have to choose between the kind of lawsuit featured in the article, or admit that it was actually a case of sexual harassment in the workplace. May or may not be an easy choice, depending on gender and jurisdiction...

Obvious icon choice here.

Brexit has left a regulatory black hole for digital, say MPs

Doctor_Wibble
Devil

Re: Iain Wright MP, chair of the BIS committee, urged the government to set out its plans

> Brexit doesn't mean you *have* to reject everything from Brussels.

*splutter*

I'm going to take a punt that this DEFA* will merely be the first of many sequels so if they are to retain any credibility they need to emulate the games industry, and have this one as DEFA, to be followed by DEFA2017, DEFA2018 etc and this will ensure proper government interference is kept up to date as much as possible.

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* D.E.F.A. - the F stands for 'fckng-up' because there will always be some honourable member along the way who makes sure their sponsor get a special bit sneaked in to one of the more obscure sections, or just somehow accidentally misses out the semi-colon that makes it a requirement for us to file our annual browsing history along with our tax returns.

Gaming apps, mugging and bad case of bruised Pokéballs

Doctor_Wibble
Trollface

Re: Journalism?

> to provoke readers into commenting. It seems to be working.

Oh no it isn't!

It's 2016 and Windows lets crims poison your printer drivers

Doctor_Wibble
Devil

Re: All absolute rubbish!

> Many miss that there are - incredibly - some "simplified" printer drivers,

And I've seen and used them too, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of a good whinge!

On the other hand trying to convince Windows that you just want to print plain words on a plain bit of paper when for some reason printer model x is actually printer model x version b revision 12 which is incompatible with the only driver available, the one for printer model x version b revision 11 - and which doesn't have a 'just print the bastard thing' function anyway - is always a bit of a fun hobby to have. I blame the USB conspiracy because it wouldn't know otherwise.

And I'm also painfully aware of 'you get what you pay for', so I'll be getting a USB-serial adapter (because they vanished that too) so I can plug in my ancient epson-compatible dot matrix printer once I exhume it from the garage and recharge the ribbon with some WD40. Possibly also requiring use of a hammer, a circuit board, some pepper, onions, and a small aubergine.

And then copy it out by hand. If I can find the pencil sharpener.

Doctor_Wibble
Trollface

All absolute rubbish!

This article puts forward the insane idea that there is such a thing as a standalone printer driver that isn't deeply inextricably entwined within a 600-meg super extra features package that monitors everything I've printed and tells me I should be buying ink from my nearest local supplier who is apparently the other side of the fckn Atlantic.

A separate printer driver, what planet are you on?

Webpages, Word files, print servers menacing Windows PCs – yup, it's Patch Tuesday

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Flame

Re: Inquiring mind want to know...

Right, it finally got its act together and told me of important updates, and obviously I only installed the security-related ones because I don't trust the official recommendations any more, e.g.:

> kb3035583 Update installs Get Windows 10 app in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1

This one of course has 'Install this update to resolve issues in Windows' in its description text which even the most charitable person would describe as grossly misleading on the basis that installing a thing to get a whole new OS does not fit within any definition of 'resolve issues' any more than getting a voucher for a new car would be the way to fix the radiator.

Doctor_Wibble
WTF?

Worse, mine said 'no updates available'

Yesterday (or possibly the day before) I saw the (currently normal) '9 optional available' (including the supposedly-dead) and today I open it and it says 'windows is up to date' which is either not possible or something dodgily suspicious has happened.

And I know there's something in the offing because (and I have no idea why) my VNC viewer has serious slowness issues (move a terminal window, even the wire-frame takes an age to draw before I drop the window in its new position) until any urgent windows patches are installed. Or my video driver is broken and I am seeing through an incorrectly-rendered i.e. non-visible massive red-flashing 'Achtung' message that is in front of everything.

See also, "I don't like it, it's too quiet"...

[e2a: or an incorrectly-reported 'timed out when checking']

UK.gov flings £30m at driverless car R'n'D, wants plebs to speek their branes

Doctor_Wibble
Trollface

> or my kids start playing up

Total non-problem if you put electrodes on the seatbelts.

Pokemon Go oh no no no, we're not reading your email, says gamemaker

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Black Helicopters

Re: Children Nowadays Don't Care - Just GIMME! GIMME!

> an R9 credit score.

My assumption is that's bad? Should I be signing up to those 'hourly updates on what my credit score is doing right now and for the rest of my life because I want to be borrowing until my dying day' so-called services that tell me how to game the system of which they are a subsidiary, or better yet pay for the privilege of them telling me how to get them not to give me a crap score?

Not that I think the whole credit rating thing is severely dodgy or anything.

Theresa or Teresa May? Twitter confuses nude model and new PM

Doctor_Wibble
Trollface

Teresa Typo Twitter Titter

Or some such...

4-day Fasthosts outage: Customers' sites go TITSUP

Doctor_Wibble
Facepalm

Of course we have a backup! We were very sensible and kept it separate... on a cloud service...

Australia's ABC suspends presenter over 'Wi-Fi is dangerous' claims

Doctor_Wibble
Terminator

Re: But WiFi is dangerous

> Er No.

Actually yes. You may think that your televisual experience is a result of seeing and hearing the transmitted wisdom but actually the idiot box is a cunningly disguised machine whose sole purpose is to beam inanity directly into your brain USING WIFI and the sooner people wake up to this the better!

Further attempts to spread such misinformation will result in you being sent to the disciplinary re-education centre and I don't mean the one where you get a fur-trimmed PVC outfit...

Theft of twenty-somethings' IDs surges

Doctor_Wibble
Gimp

Re: hmmmm.....

Until recently I had not taken my tablet out for many walks but visiting relatives and having to keep up with particular events meant I had to use e.g. hotel wifi. One of them used what looked like a big-company outsourced wifi which asked me for my personal details to use the wifi, those details being the ID fraud shortlist, i.e. age, hip size, favourite dog biscuit etc.

Obviously I lied but how many people are just handing over all their bank security question details either because they assume it's just their overpriced coffee shop under a different name or because they don't realise the need for caution?

If I was going to spend 200 on a pair of trainers then I would take the £5 hit or buy them from somewhere that wasn't going to charge extra for using a card. If you are there because they are normally 500 per pair then maybe there are one or more other questions you should be asking first.

Forget YouTube – meet ChewTube: Strangers watching millennials eat

Doctor_Wibble
Trollface

Yes.

See title.

Spam King sent down for 30 months

Doctor_Wibble
Unhappy

Re: Where to start...

> I know that my hosting provider has been trying for months to get BT to lift this restriction, but nothing doing from BT.

That's really crap on the part of BT there - of course if your hosting company has been trying to get this done but via email I think can see why there might not be much success there...

Perhaps horribly obvious (or not)- have you tried a direct approach, i.e. a letter from your company to BT (and/or their mail hosts, plus or minus needing a German translator)? People these days can often be surprised into acting when confronted with an actual papery letter which is harder to ignore than an email.

And I keep thinking a deliberate obstruction to legitimate communication is iffy in any case, particularly when it can be demonstrated that continued obstruction is unreasonable?

+/- disclaimer, barrack-room lawyers...

Doctor_Wibble
Boffin

Re: Where to start...

> All that remains are compromised computers that rapidly come and go.

Not as short-term as you might think. There's persistent offenders and ISPs that fail to do anything. Also noting the great firewall of China stops precisely fck-all spam.

>> if you find that it's the NAT router of some large ISP

Again the ISPs failing to do anything because a regular (i.e. non-business line) user sending mail only needs port 25 to the ISP's relay and not outside that network and sending via an external server is already an old 'standard' on port 587 and authenticated (and not the ISPs problem).

And yet the vast majority of what I get (and I include failed attempts that 'spam stats ignore) is from non-business dynamic IPs and a large proportion of that is relay attempts and not actual spam to me, with frequent batches of 'auth login' attempts.

+/- disclaimer, anecdote != data :p

You deleted the customer. What now? Human error - deal with it

Doctor_Wibble
Flame

Re: 'ha ha you are too late' dialogues

> An "Are you sure?" message might save the day.

But not with the genius Windows 7 folder re-selection 'feature' which changes the selected folder to the containing folder without any visual clue and you don't know what's happened until it asks 'are you sure you want to delete desktop.ini' just as it refreshes the explorer window to show there is nothing else there now.

And yes, this is the kind of crap that happens as you are sorting what needs to be backed up (method now changed, too late for vanished data) just like the disk that failed the night before that stack of blank DVDs was due to be delivered. Though that last one in particular is a clear demonstration of the temporal and contextual awareness of devices that exists at the most fundamental level of reality, and even CERN's toasted weasel only barely scratches the surface.

NASA: We'll try again in the morning after friction ruins engorgement

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Angel

Wot no trouser press?

So it got badly creased after being squashed in the suitcase, and they don't have anything to iron it with. Bummer.

Presumably if NASA ask nicely Corby would be happy to deliver but I bet the P&P will sting a bit.

FOURTH bank hit by SWIFT hackers

Doctor_Wibble
Trollface

This is late! Finger-pointing was due last week!

Blaming North Korea is supposed to be done with nice regular clockwork-like regularity. Instead it's been too long since the last one and we are now exposed as being a bunch of total amateurs on the world stage, clearly having no proper schedule for these things.

So why are the Norks nicking foreign money anyway, can't they just print more of their own or did they see the advert for shpock and are now desperate to have a go for themselves in an attempt to remedy their unpublicised shortage of handbags and bicycles?

ISS pump-up space podule refuses to engorge

Doctor_Wibble
Facepalm

For want of a nail...

It's going to be something hideously trivial like the 5p washer on the connector has perished or cracked in the cold and blocked the airflow. And due to weight limits they didn't pack a spare.

There's surely an engineering law to cover this - along the lines of the one that requires the £250,000 machine to sacrifice itself to save the 15p fuse.

Labour scores review of Snoopers' Charter's bulk powers from UK.gov

Doctor_Wibble
Alien

...because it's all totally completely different

Since the party roles have reversed in the government snooping arena, we now have the poacher turned gamekeeper taking advice from the gamekeeper turned poacher. What could possibly be wrong with that?

But note that they are not overlords because the monitoring probes never approach from above.

LinkedIn mass hack reveals ... yup, you're all still crap at passwords

Doctor_Wibble
Devil

Re: Genuine accounts?

> How many of 117 million accounts are genuine or serious accounts?

I don't think that should be an either-or question, e.g. mine is genuine but I wouldn't call it 'serious' because I barely touch it. On the other hand it's several years overdue for a revenge attack on everyone for all those 'blahblah added yoghurt knitting as a new skill' and 'blahblah moved desks again' updates that it keeps forgetting I repeatedly tried opting out of.

I will pick the least interesting job and add as many excruciatingly irrelevant yet update-worthy details as I can think of.

Got a Fitbit? Thought you were achieving your goals? Better read this

Doctor_Wibble
Trollface

um...

> when you have a firm grip [...] during vigorous movement

You all have filthy minds, you dirty dirty people!

Bangladesh government domain turned into toxic phishing hole

Doctor_Wibble
Paris Hilton

Did someone try calling the hosting company?

Seems a bit obvious but did anyone try contacting the hosting company? Apart from using their online form which amusingly crops the heading graphics to 'con us'? I see the primary contact is an 0871 number which won't work internationally IIRC so may be somewhat non-compliant in any case.

Lots of researchers and 'researchers' writing articles about their findings but all too often they won't do anything about it even if it's just a phone call to ask WTFsup?

Happy to be proven wrong and/or pointed at the followup where they do that though.

p.s. also the question of whether these are vital enough that they can't be temporarily pulled from the DNS or pointed elsewhere.

60 per cent of Androids exposed by new attack on mediaserver

Doctor_Wibble
Headmaster

mediaserver service not generic media server...

Might be an idea to clarify for anyone who's not an Android Anorak that 'mediaserver' here is referring to the 'mediaserver' service in the OS and not an external Media Server or Mediaserver or some other recapitalised variant on the word. Otherwise it just looks like a typo, other products/names are equally guilty of this.

Confessing my own ignorance, I had thought 'mediaserver' was a Windows thing and from the headline made the assumption this was using an android device as the stepping-stone for an attack.

I may still have misunderstood except for the bit where my slab is now even more unsupported than it was the last time.

No dunce's cap icon for me?

Would we want to regenerate brains of patients who are clinically dead?

Doctor_Wibble
Trollface

Re: Could be good...

I'm not sure there's necessarily a physiological requirement to be particularly fussy about what they eat (food is just fuel after all and admittedly the wobbly internal purple bits have lots of flavour in them) though the primary craving for functioning synaptic tissue does make sense if that's what goes off the quickest, hence the widely accepted - if perhaps a little erroneous - view that they are specifically brainivorous rather than just generally humanitarian.

Google kneecaps payday loan ads

Doctor_Wibble
Angel

*groan*

But an upvote for the quality punnage on 'capital' offence.

Or is that actually a synonym or homonym or secretofnym or something?

Unicorn adopts rainbow as logo

Doctor_Wibble
Trollface

Help, I'm confused

How do these apps work with duckfaces, cleavages, or backsides, or is someone going to try doing that stupid 'other things do get posted on instagram' thing again?

You can always rely on the Ancient Ones to cock things up

Doctor_Wibble
Thumb Up

Re: Blood Sacrifice

"Amen!" => Upvote!

Same goes for servers, there have in the past been entire racks which over time became dependent on the presence of my blood - being replenished at regular intervals meant that they even survived for a while after my departure.

Also, don't ever let CSI into a server room or it will be buried in that police tape while they try and count the victims and you will never see it again!

Learn a scripting language and play nicely: How to get a DevOps job

Doctor_Wibble
Stop

Not asking much then?

So the requirements are to be super lovely people with a super broad range of skills and super flexibility to learn even more skills without needing to take a break? I think I met one of those once, about 20 years ago. And of course we are all large corporates because anyone smaller doesn't have the luxury of being able to randomly swap around the Dev and Ops staff just for the 'broadening of experience'. Normally you get given a pile of books ans told "well volunteered, you get to be the standby, learn this in your own time".

Oh, and "hampering after"? Really? Are you sending out a large basket to capture people and wrap them in a gingham picnic blanket or did you mean "hankering"?

p.s. as remarked above 'DevOps' does have similarities to an IT GP (good name!) though the IT-GP would tend to be the solo small company tech person rather than this new desire for a team of randomly interchangeable bricks in the wall, sorry I mean valuable tech personnel...

Brits who live in 'smart cities' don't really know or care

Doctor_Wibble
Trollface

Re: Too many marketroids

> anything from new paint to Orwellian surveillance

It's both - hats are banned and the top of your head has to have a number painted on it to make sure the surveillance works properly.

Review legacy code: Waking dragons is risk worth taking, says Trainline ops head

Doctor_Wibble
Facepalm

Feature triggers uninstall

This is some serious feature! So depending on OS it either included a cunningly disguised 'rm -rf' somewhere or someone ticked the wrong box in one of those setup wizard things, selecting 'forcibly remove' instead of 'do not touch this you bstrd I am not making any changes to this bit why are you even running and why is there no Cancel'.

So is the Dev that is now in Ops placed there as a guide or as a hostage?

Barclays.net Bank Holiday outage leaves firms unable to process payments

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Black Helicopters

Shtum or Schtum, not stumm...

Properly educated readers will recognise stumm gas from 2000AD.

That said, I may be wrong - if Barclays are expecting trouble and are indeed keeping stumm just in case anything kicks off.

Just pretend it's an H-wagon icon.

Are state-sponsored attackers poisoning the statistical well?

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Black Helicopters

Anomalous point ignored or averaged out

The problems come when visualising with coarse-grained data and calculating with fine-graned data - it might *look* just fine...

Just like a well only appears on a map when someone marks it, it does not appear when you render the terrain (with coarser-grained data) but if you have something relying on the fine-grained data for guidance then its altitude monitor it going to hit a panic when it realises it's suddenly flying 50 feet too high and drops to compensate, trashing the barn in a cloud of chicken feathers and a burning tyre whizzing past the camera.

Cunningly placed anomalous points can make the software think there's a problem and make it avoid it and either land a bit early or get spotted by radar (etc).

Helicopter, because 'unexpected item in flying area'. And secret bases hidden between the even-numbered coordinates.

Rampant robot tries to rip my clothes off

Doctor_Wibble
Terminator

Re: re. "Rampant Robot"

And the assumption of one or more battery-operated parts is why we get that stat of a quarter of people wanting to date a robot. How many bothered asking if the robot could speak?

And the "real hair" remark, that surely is a reference to The Deluxe, as pointed out by m'Lud in a Not The Nine O'Clock News sketch a rather scary 30-odd years ago...

Blighty's SMB tech ranks bitterly divided on Brexit

Doctor_Wibble
Boffin

Another difficult decision!

On the one hand I want to give an upvote for the balanced post, but on the other, that post thoroughly deserves a downvote for the spelling.

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Edit: So an upvote because we have a choice on what we do or do not forgive, and there weren't any errant apostrophes. This time.

Pair publishes python framework for rapid router wrecking

Doctor_Wibble
Devil

Re: In the words of Danny Dyer

> Pwoppa fackin nawty.

He was of course attempting to repeat those splendid well-known words of what A Great Philosopher Once Wrote, but being Danny was unable to help himself - unlike the characters he plays who always seem to be in the business of helping themselves...

Remain in the EU and help me snoop on the world, says Theresa May

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Alert

> Furthermore who has actually asked that we get out the ECHR?

Probably no-one. I'm guessing it's an attempt to appeal to anyone in the exit crowd who has borders and/or deportation on their list and is 'meh' on other stuff without necessarily realising the other complications of the ECHR (and how many people do?).

From what's been said by both sides so far I think the only sensible thing to do is flip a coin. Which means we have regressed as a democracy, back to the days where you can't vote if you don't have any money!