* Posts by Doug 3

251 publicly visible posts • joined 3 Jul 2009


.NET open source is 'heavily under-funded' says AWS

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Re: Waste of money

yes and it's all about the fools who drank the Microsoft coolaide and instead of using open standards for their applications they continued with Microsofts "new and greatest thing since sliced bread" marketing trick called Microsoft .Net. It was promoted as was Win32 back in the day when Microsoft temporarily licensed Win32 to UNIX software vendors and then pulled the rug out from under them.

Suckers have money too and Amazon wants some from those who realized Microsoft's cloud sucks.

A match made in heaven: systemd comes to Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Re: Better idea.

"Don't get me wrong, I'm a UNIX/Linux guy at heart, but there are good solid reasons for running a Windows server and desktop system"

Job security. Always something to fix with Microsoft. Always.

In Rust We Trust: Microsoft Azure CTO shuns C and C++

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If only there were ways for companies to implement processes and procedures to help protect their software from developer neglect in the design and implementation phases. It must be something nobody has thought of yet or else Microsoft would have been doing this with their OS developers for decades. It has been over 25 years since desktop computers have been connected to the Internet and every new version of Microsoft Windows is pushed as being the most secure OS or at least the most secure version of Windows.

But maybe it's better to just quickly try to hide the fact they have failed at building a development system which puts security as a priority and point to the shiny new thing which will surely save all of us and be the next greatest toaster.

Microsoft is pretty funny since they've become the platform also-ran.

Get over it: Microsoft is a Linux and open source company these days

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They had no choice

They tried to extinguish Linux and spent hundreds of millions of dollars attempting it with marketing ads( Get the Facts ), by funding SCO to threaten anyone who uses Linux, their deal with OpenSuse and Netware along with sweet licensing deals when their threats failed and they used financial incentives to move the targeted company back to Microsoft software. But it didn't work as companies were getting strangled by Microsoft based IT department budgets and they had no money to move forward so their developers were bringing in Linux and developing solutions at a fraction of the cost it would have taken on Microsoft's platform.

They put a version of Linux inside of Windows so they could keep track of who was doing what because they lost all accounting when Linux was on the iron AND when it was running in a VM. Azure was showing them it was the Linux stack which customers were running instead of Windows stacks so again, Microsoft had no choice but to bend. They are bending further by purchasing things like github, pushed out Atom for VC Code etc. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish still exists only they can't Extinguish like they used to so the Extend part is getting massive push because when it's not longer looking like the original open source stack, it's a Microsoft stack they can once again control and direct developers towards running only on Windows Desktop or Server and ties into Microsoft's other software APIs.

So yes, Microsoft is an open source company these days but they have not changed and it is all about Windows, "does anyone remember Windows?" is still ringing in the halls at MS HQ even without Bill Gates to say it.

Gtk 5 might drop X11 support, says GNOME dev

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Re: Gnome devs who drank the Wayland coolaid...

I think this is being brought up so that Linux fits better inside of a Microsoft Windows subsystem for Linux.

Cripple the Linux desktop and then it'll work just as good in Windows as directly on the metal.

Gnome constantly does what makes Linux suck instead of doing what makes Linux great. It's as if it's run by Microsoft fanbois or something.

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who made this comment

It sounds like something an MS-Gnome developer would say. It would be listed under the heading: What things can we do to make user experiences worst?

Jeffrey Snover claims Microsoft demoted him for inventing PowerShell

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How Microsoft operates internally reminds me of how Trump operates. If you are not making Windows look good then you are Fake News( bad for Microsoft and bad for Windows ). No doubt PS acted too much like the *nix commandline even if more in intent than execution. Linux is bad because it is not Windows and anything which validates something other than Windows makes Windows look bad. Trumpanze thinking and this thinking has been instilled in Microsoft management ever since their split from IBM.

GNOME, Mono, Xamarin founder Miguel de Icaza leaves Microsoft

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Re: On that note...

Stephen Elop is at Digital.ai as CEO and on their BoD too.

Eclipse boss claims Visual Studio Code is an open-source poseur – though he would say that, wouldn't he?

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Re: But it is quite good!

Regarding PlatformIO, when I first started using it Atom was still the default editor but I was thrown off by all the flags being waved saying that VSCode editor was preferred over Atom. Something smelled fishy about how aggressive the warnings were. Then Microsoft purchases Github.com and quite quickly Atom is pushed off the cliff.

Something just seems odd about how much effort and how much money Microsoft is putting into getting ties to open source developers. And I'm really surprised nobody's yet done a DeepFake of Satya Nadella jumping around on stage yelling Developers, Developers, Developers. Microsoft doesn't have a benevolent card in its deck, so there is a plan we've not seen or exposed yet.

A Snapdragon in a ThinkPad: Lenovo unveils the X13s

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This is clearly a Microsoft funded design so thinking that Qualcomm or Lenovo will do any work on their own(unfunded) to ship a version with Linux( if it is even allowed ) is what's called a pipe dream.

Doug 3

Re: Seduced and abandoned by yet another attempt at a non-x86 Windows?

I couldn't help but think this is all because there are so many with the Apple M1 systems showing great performance and battery life while their Microsoft Windows friends look sadly at their mains connected hotbox running Windows. And there's all the ARM news with systems running Linux doing robotics and thousands of other tasks and their Windows running friends look at their x86 hardware with a heatsink the size of a grapefruit and battery 2x that size. Surely Microsoft has to show something with Windows running on ARM. This laptop is for all those Windows users looking next to them seeing their buddies doing amazing things on ARM hardware without Windows.

It'll probably get a $100 million in marketing dollars or maybe even $200 to show the world Microsoft can do ARM too. And then it will fade and Microsoft execs check off the box for another 5 years.

What do you mean, 'Microsoft doesn't care about Windows on Arm'? Here's a cheap, underpowered test rig

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Re: Forethought?

"M$ and ARM are working on a proprietary ARM chip optimized for Windows."

Is this is why NVidia is trying to purchase ARM. ie maybe to flush it down the toilet for Microsoft and with Microsoft's funding behind it?

HP's solution to running GPU-accelerated Linux apps on high-end Z workstations: Rely on Microsoft's WSL2

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HP is a Microsoft shill, solution is moronic

So put Windows on the machine for the NVidia drivers and then run Linux in a VM to access the GPU?

That is so freak'n moronic I can't believe anyone is buying into this.

Why not put a version of Linux on it with the latest supported NVidia driver supported and then let the user run things like Docker, VMs, etc with GPU passthru.

Oh right, HP is a Microsoft shill. They really should have lead with that instead of putting it all the way at the end of the very long windowed artcle.

Windows Subsystem for Android: What's the point?

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Re: Subsystems for everyone

Wasn't there an IBM and Apple OS which was designed to run OS personalities? If you ran Mac OS native you could run Windows and IBM OS/2 personalities seamlessly. Likewise if running OS/2 as the host the Mac and Windows personalities could be run. I think the actual OS personalities were hidden and what you were supposed to get is seamless windowing of apps.

All on PowerPC hardware at the time. CHRP comes to mind.

But Microsoft is not interested in that. They must have Windows dominating the corporate office and back office even if it requires them to provide ways to run and monitor other virtualized OS's. They will have their marketing department figure some special little thing they'll add to their version of the virtualization and tell them customers this is why they should run MS-Linux or MS-Android, etc on their Windows subsytem for X, Y, Z.

Microsoft: Behold, at some later date, the next generation of Windows

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Re: Where are the walls?

so Microsoft will not add MS-chocolate_bar for WSL and make sure every user of WSL knows it's there and really tasty? Oh and BTW, MS-chocolate_bar for WSL only runs within WSL.

Nah, Microsoft would never do that, they have never done anything like that before. LOL

ignorance is bliss, enjoy it while you can.

Microsoft revokes MVP status of developer who tweeted complaint about request to promote SQL-on-Azure

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Re: Good for him!

They have been doing this for decades. Research on how Microsoft got their MS Office Open Document Format an ISO standard for just one example. Hint: they asked partners to become voting members of ISO around the world, funded them and provided statements they should use in the meetings.

Microsoft is 50% marketing, 20% software development, 30% bullshit.

Dev creeped out after he fired up Ubuntu VM on Azure, was immediately approached by Canonical sales rep

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LOL, naive dev didnt think Microsoft would sell his information

Spinning it like it was Ubuntu's fault but AZURE is Microsofts game and they are the ones who sold off the contact information.

Blaming Canonical is pathetic.

Barbs exchanged over Linux for M1 Silicon ... lest Apple's lawyers lie in wait

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Re: What am I missing here?

but remember, each iDevice keeps you playing in the iWorld and purchasing more iProducts. So there is a motivation to keep said iDevice hardware running iSoftware.

Microsoft to rethink crash-prone Visual Studio extension model, shift towards cloud

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Re: Extensions are "difficult to write"

Aren't they the professional software development company which invented ActiveX controls?

For a technology company they sure seem to suck at writing software but we already knew that since UNIX and even Linux were stable OS's back in the 1990s while Microsoft was still rewriting how the Ctl-Alt-Del buttons were used and picking the color of the crash screen. Now, we see them leveraging open source software to replace their failed attempts( Internet Explorer -> MS Edge built off of WebKit ).

Relying on this company and their treadmill is one way to keep paying the bills if you are a software developer and like things breaking all the time. Or you work in IT support. Once I'd switched customers over to Linux I was feeling like the "Maytag Repairman".

Xen Project officially ports its hypervisor to Raspberry Pi 4

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Can you imagine a Beowulf Cluster of one of these!

Chrome suddenly using Bing after installing Office 365 Pro Plus... Yeah, that might have been us, mumbles Microsoft

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Re: Antitrust

Yes, it was so hard to see that check box to install Chrome right there on the dialog box above all other dialog boxes. Nothing like how easy it is to find the check box buried in the Microsoft Windows Registry or in the admin tools folder with thousands of other options.

How dare Google have that option put right there in the installation process instead of buried in some other software settings page of another tool. Soooo evil!

Good news – America's nuke arsenal to swap eight-inch floppy disks for solid-state drives

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Re: Is it really obsolete ...

New requirements are that it must have virus protection and recent contracts state that can only be supplied by Microsoft. Therefore, they have to get a Microsoft Windows box and because of that it also needs to be on the Internet for updates for both the OS and the virus protection. What could possibly go wrong?

Microsoft's only gone and published the exFAT spec, now supports popping it in the Linux kernel

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tracking every one

Microsoft is famous for tracking what their competition is doing. This sounds like yet another way for them to try and track what Linux distributions are doing.

Still waiting for them to apologize to Barnes & Noble and the many others they threatened because of fake patent claims.

Microsoft Surface users baffled after investing in kit that throttles itself to the point of passing out

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User: My Windows computer is running slow.

Tech Support: Have you rebooted the computer recently?

User: it's a Microsoft Slate

Tech Support: Have you forced a shutdown and restart recently?

User: yes, I've shutting down both applications and I have shut down and restart Windows and it slows down again after a few hours.

Tech Support: You should reboot while holding down the ESC and F1 keys and when the menu pops up chose option 2, Restore Operating System

User: but won't that replace everything on my computer.

Tech Support: Yes, that's why it is there.

Tech Support: Is there anything else I can help you with?

User: Will this thing run Linux?

The Year Of Linux On The Desktop – at last! Windows Subsystem for Linux 2 brings the Linux kernel into Windows

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Just use VmWare and get the real thing

Instead of screwing around with Microsoft compatibility and kernel tweeks just use the real thing via VmWare Workstation and be done with it.

Who doing Linux web or other development would keep getting jerked around with partial implementations and who knows what kinds of under the hood hooks they are adding? Virtual machines have been around for a long long time and they work so if you have to run a host on MS Windows, use a vm to run Linux and get back to work.

Is this cuttlefish really all that cosmic? Ubuntu 18.10 arrives with extra spit, polish, 4.18 kernel

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Re: "the system has a more modern and 'flatter' look"

Yup, Microsoft has had to go flat to lower CPU and GPU loads to help with battery life. If you don't recall, Microsoft Windows on portables has always been a big battery hog compared to all other OS's. So with Microsoft going "flat" that seems to be what some people think is "modern".

Linux distros should always stand up and stand out for what's better. Following Microsoft is never a good thing.

Microsoft to make Ubuntu a first-class guest under Hyper-V

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let me guess, trying to split away some of the power Redhat has by promoting Ubuntu.

Not a surprise but generally Microsoft just wants to be able to keep track of what their customers are doing. If some are migrating machines to Linux then they would rather they migrated in a way which allows them to track what is going on. A full on removal of Windows is what they have been willing to do illegal things to prevent. Probably some of the same going on here.

Stephen Elop and the fall of Nokia revisited

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Re: "Elop's time at Nokia cost him his marriage, don't forget."

No, the collapse of Nokia happened too slowly since Elop had to have the plan to deliver Nokia to Microsoft.. It just took longer than they planned and so the result was less time at home, etc, etc.

If there was any other motivation for Elop than there was a complete and utter failure in the Nokia board to understand who they were hiring to run the company. I mean you don't publicly announce your OS being shipped on millions of phones each day is being replaced with incompatible software and OS. A department store manager knows that sales will plummet immediately. You don't pick that new OS to be one with single digit market share even after the company making the OS has spent billions marketing it. And you don't say that using the most dominant OS, which is open source and free, is no choice because nobody can make money competing when there were dozens of companies making profits doing just that.

You don't do those things. That is unless you want to harm the company enough to make it a tasty choice for Microsoft to purchase. And BTW, people were saying this since day one of his hiring at Nokia.

I see you're writing a résumé?!.. LinkedIn parked in MS Word

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they suck in your email address from those you have contacted before, or shared your email address with. Those people allowed LinkedIn to suck up their addressbook and now have your email address.

Doug 3

let Clippy write your résumé for you

They know what you've been doing and when so just sit back and enjoy their taking you for a ride.

Munich council finds €49.3m for Windows 10 embrace

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crystal ball showing what Windows 13 will be like?

No user training costs? No doubt that's just one of the smoke/mirror tricks used to help get this passed.

Why could they not spend the ~50 million and negotiations with software vendors to port their software to a cloud instead of paying them standard pricing for more client based apps?

This reeks of another Microsoft hard sell negotiation to eliminate a thorn in their eye which is another functioning large scale Linux implementation.

Another waste of taxpayer money and money in Microsoft's pocket for many years to come.

Microsoft's foray into phones was a bumbling, half-hearted fiasco, and Nadella always knew it

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The Road Behind

That should be the title of his book since all he keep talking about is how he knew X was doomed or some other thing about the past which Microsoft missed or failed at. Trying to look good by using hindsight makes a CEO look flawed.

Microsoft Master File Table bug exploited to BSOD Windows 7, 8.1

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Re: Applications are vulnerable?

As I recall, Microsoft lost that court battle and was to be split into 3 businesses. Microsoft appealed and then G.W. Bush took over as President of the United States, installed new people in the DOJ, he instructed them to stop the current appeal and settle with Microsoft. Microsoft got away with a slap on the wrist again.

It was a bad time for the tech industry as things like CORBA, JavaScript, Java and other technologies were gaining with traction from Netscape as the browser company and web server business. The industry was stalled for almost 10 years as Microsoft continued their practices of stomping on any new technlogy which didn't solely support Microsoft Windows.

What is dead may never die: a new version of OS/2 just arrived

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Re: Some clarifications

I for one am looking forward to seeing the OS/2 desktop again. Was just a pleasure to have such consistency between folders, the customizations and the workspace feature where complete folder trees and applications would be started on one opening of a folder. Genious.

Thank you Lewis.

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Re: It was the third version to be called "Warp"

Don't forget, OS/2 version 2.1 aka OS/2 for Window and code name Ferengi.

It was the version without the Microsoft Windows 3.1 subsystem and used your own version of Windows.

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Re: Obscurity

There was EMX, gcc, gdb and XFree86 all on OS/2 providing source level compatibility with *nix apps.

I ran a number of X apps on OS/2 and even used it to write *nix/X apps before moving the source across the network to HPUX and building and testing on that target platform.

OS/2 was a great platform running multiple OS's from DOS, Windows, *nix, Java besides OS/2 apps.

IBM screwed up when they got OS/2 running full Win32 apps before Microsoft shipped Windows 95. Once Microsoft found out, they changed the SDK resource compiler such that it put a tiny amount of resources at the top end of their virtual address space. That was up at 4GB and OS/2 could only access 2GB of virtual address space so there was no way for OS/2 to run these Win32 apps any more. OS/2 stuck running just Win16 and Win32C apps. And with no compatibility there wasn't a migration path.

Microsoft taking CodePlex behind the shed and shooting it by Christmas

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only one comment after being posted for hours

Microsoft and open source mix together like oil and water. They bash open source at every chance and they try to show they are open source friendly. So their users and developers either hate and despise open source or they under stand what open source really is and use what the rest of the world does.

I guess leaving the CodePlex wasteland showing for all the world to see was finally decided to be not a good idea. Echo!

Spotted: Bizarre SpaceX rocket-snatching machine that looks like it belongs on Robot Wars

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buckled legs during transport worst

More likely is this will support the rocket in the even one or more of the landing struts has become damaged on landing. Currently they lock down the landing struts to hold the rocket in place for the transport back to the dock. A serious failure of a landing strut results in a failed landing but some have landed with damaged struts so this would provide a safer trip back to the dock.

It might even work as an unloading mechanism too.

Twas the week before Xmas ... not a creature was stirring – except Microsoft admitting its Windows 10 upgrade pop-up went 'too far'

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Your devs were told to specially code that window control to fool your users

And you dance around the idea today that it might not have been the best choice?

You people at Microsoft are STILL piece of work. I REALLY hope you have a happy new year. And like you all at Microsoft Marketing, this interpretation of "happy" looks like lingchi.

This is the same old Microsoft and using the same dirty tricks we've known for 30+ years. And to do it to your customers shows another level of anxiety towards your market position.

Microsoft lures top Linux exec from Oracle to Redmond

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Re: @ Doug 3 They have hired top Linux people before

Windows as a platform is their cash cow. They rake in a lot for MS Office yet they don't put MS Office on any other platform. I guess they have it on the cloud now and I'm sure it was no big deal when it was used on Android phones and tablets. But now that Google has Android apps on Chromebooks they have to be fuming it's enabling a competing platform to Windows.

We see and hear so much about Linux on the cloud but yet where is Microsoft software there? They are not enabling Linux with their server/services software. Do they put Bash on Windows? No, they move PowerShell to Ubuntu so that Windows admins stay with Microsoft tech.

So I still see Microsoft using Windows as it's cash cow and it's still their method of control. Remember BeOS was shut down because even after a couple of antitrust cases, Microsoft was still blocking vendors from installing other OS's at the OEM level. Remember Netbooks? Started as useful little and cheap Linux laptops but Microsoft had to shut that down by locking the vendors into bloating the hardware and preventing the low priced Linux devices from being sold.

If there is something new going on in Redmond, it's so minute it's like seeing an oil super tanker react to a course change.

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"People will always go with what is familiar and comfortable for them,...."

The strange thing about this is that it is what was said about every OS which tried to get into the market Microsoft was dominating. OS/2, BeOS, PalmOS, UNIX, Linux, etc. 'too difficult to learn something different', 'Windows is familiar and training costs will be expensive', blah blah blah. Then along comes the iPhone and guess what, it's not Windows and people have no problem learning and using it. Android, the same thing. Microsoft tried a handheld OS and phone OS which looked and acted like Windows but it was painful to use on small screens with limited hardware. So what did Microsoft do? They changed the UI.

So much for familiar and comfortable being a good excuse to stick with a painful system. Misery loves company might work though.

Doug 3

Re: They have hired top Linux people before

I keep hearing Windows 10 is free so they are not making money on the Windows OS. So Windows 10 is free for a computer without an OS? No, it's a free upgrade after you've already paid them for a desktop Windows OS license. So not free and they still make lots of money, billions of dollars per quarter from Windows OS licenses.

yes they make billions from Microsoft Office for Windows, yes they make billions from Windows Server but those are all tied to and with the Windows OS so their business income, revenue and profits rely heavily on the Windows OS.

They will not be promoting another OS which threatens that income. All this Linux stuff they are doing is just to keep their customers from going to another vendor for this cloud stuff. The same cloud stuff which was created because of the virtual machine business became a way to save businesses from Windows server hell. The Windows server hell is because of the unreliability of the Windows OS which forced companies to have one service per PC and then a backup PC for redundancy. Dozens of server PC's and each one was under utilized because they needed to keep only one service per PC.

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Re: @ Doug 3 They have hired top Linux people before

I should have stated "Windows and Windows based products". I'm aware that they still have 9x% of the desktop market so they don't support any other client but the Windows OS clients. Then there is iOS and Android and they are taking baby steps in that direction. Some would call it half-arsed efforts.

As for their support of Linux on Azure, it's a requirement their customers have and if they didn't support it their customers were be forced to go somewhere else. And they know, if forced to go away from Microsoft for just a little bit, light bulbs go on and soon those customers are going outside of Windows and Microsoft for lots more. I wouldn't doubt they'll be doing everything they can to track, monitor and instruct customers how how they use Linux on Azure.

Funny though, how the Windows OS failure to be reliable forced companies to have so many hardware boxes that virtualization was a savior and then the cloud spun from that.

Doug 3

They have hired top Linux people before

Microsoft has hired top Linux people before and they have always ended up with jobs tuning marketing and/or in customers faces pushing them away from Linux and toward Windows.

Since Windows is their cash cow and without it they vaporize, does anyone really think they are moving away from Windows because they hired Oracle's top Linux guy?

SCO didn't work, calling it a cancer didn't work, Get the Facts didn't work either so maybe, just maybe they want new blood to try and come up with another way to stop the flow of customers to Linux and away from Windows. Just like they've done a number of times before.

Windows 10 with Ubuntu now in public preview

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First there was Wine, now there is Line

Line (originally an acronym for "Line Is Not an Emulator"). But a huge difference between the two is Microsoft doesn't want it to run as good as it can, and surely not better than Windows. Crippled in strategic ways is what you'll probably get so why bother.

I can imagine they are doing this to try to get a count of who is using Linux on Windows and what they are doing. Remember, in a virtual machine, no one can hear your scream. ie the host OS doesn't know what you are doing in the virtual machine. Can you imagine what the push back would be like if Microsoft throttled virtual machines which ran Linux? They'd never throw a bunch of NOP's in there just for Linux, never.

I still remember how Microsoft insisted they get $1 for each copy of SCO Linux for some Xenix code which wasn't even included any more. When the lawyers were starting to form groups Microsoft finally gave up that fight. It wasn't about the money, it was about knowing how many copies of the software was selling. Something to think about.

Microsoft to make Xamarin tools and code free and open source

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MS hopes to get Windows apps by getting Windows devs to do iOS/Android apps

This is one way to get some apps for Windows devices. Nobody is doing it but if they can get their own Windows developers writing apps for iOS and Android then they'll also be providing apps for Windows too.

Let's see how they get their Windows developers to write iOS and Android apps.

Microsoft scraps Android Windows 10 bridge, but says yes to Objective-C compiler

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This is what you do when you can't get developers to target your platform. We've seen it before and it generally doesn't work no matter how good the migration, or porting, mechanisms are.

Do you think the iOS developers really want the head aches and support issues they are going to get stung by if they take the chance and try to run on Windows? Not worth the hassle no doubt but you can be sure that Microsoft will pay as many developers as it can find to port to Windows. Unfortunately, it'll probably harm those developers and their apps more than help Microsoft. Then again, fewer iOS app developers is probably one of their targets also.

Why Microsoft's .NET Core is the future of its development platform

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Re: .NET .. the lame clone of Java

right but wasn't it designed to be incompatible with anything other than Windows? I mean they didn't like Java because it ran on everything, they tried to make an incompatible Java which only ran on Windows, "Does anyone remember Windows?" was a famous quote of Bill Gates when MS developers were planning Java applications. At that meeting Microsoft become incompatible with Java on other platforms.

So, why in the world would anyone who is not happy being tied to Microsoft Windows care or want to touch the MS .Net stuff? Their horse is still tied to Windows so no stripes changed there.

Microsoft gobbles Chipzilla's Havok 3D physics unit in cloud gaming play

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sure, we'll continue licensing...but

but because of added expenses and loss of revenue from Windows, your new licensing fees will have a few more zero's on the end. Have a nice day.

Ballmer's billion-dollar blunders: When he gambled Microsoft's money and lost

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Re: Sigh

You must be confusing the destruction of other companies because they created better products with Microsoft creating the products for its customers.

Are there any products Microsoft created out of thin air(ie before anyone else in the industry) and was successful? Everything I can think of was either purchased companies or products or copies of products others created and became popular.