No point in jumping ship
Seem to be qujite a few people (not just in this area) who say they'll just move to other providers/suppliers. Well, here's news for you. They WILL be increasing their prices, because this shitstorm affects EVERYONE.
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Rubbish, as Pi sales figures show. 70% of Pis are sold to industrial or commercial customers, for lots of reasons. High quality HW, actual software support, long production dates, decent pricing. Loads of stuff sold to people to put in their own products, its a very cost effective way of getting processing power and control into a device. Lots of DIN rail mounted machine control/monitoring stuff is implemented using Pi for example (Revolution PI, Berghoff automation, OnLogic and many many more). Come to the Pi stand at Embedded world (Nurnberg, Germany) in March, and take a look, plenty of examples on hand.
Worth noting that Pi are not alone in having to put up prices - all the other SBC people will have to do the same, and given their much lower sales figures, they will struggle more with pricing.
That old and compllety out of date chestnut. The Pi 5 has almost no code running on the VPU at all - almost everything is now on the Arm side and open source, a deliberate effort by RP to get away from closed source code. The only remaining stuff is the bootloader, which gets the RAM up and running and boots the kernel, and some power/temperature management. Also worth noting that Raspberry Pi wrote most of that firmware (on all models), not Broadcom. So its actual Raspberry Pi proprietry, not Broadcom.
Why do people still think this stuff? Its been nearly 14 YEARS since the Pi1 was launched - stuff changes!
1. It's NOT the Pi Foundation. They are completely independant charity who do NOT do the HW/SW that people think of as Pi,. they just do the educational charity stuff. Raspberry Pi Ltd do the HW/SW that people use.
2. PiOS can be installed without any desktop - PiOS Lite. No dependencies on X/Wayland. So plenty of fucks given. The same applies to many other Linux OS that run on the Pi.
3. Putting the circuitry to support 5-28V would make all the boards much bigger and hotter. Not going to happen in the current form factors. Fitting everything on is hard enough as it is.
4. It IS a full-blown Linux system.
So what is actually wrong with this? Pi's are used for practically every compute task out there, AI is just one of them. Raspberry Pi are not "riding the wave" by any stretch of the imagination. One AI product, targeted at video processing (which works pretty well), not LLMs.
Were you savaged by a Pi when young? Because you certainly seem to have a bee in that bonnet.
1. It's not Raspberry Pi foundation, it's Raspberry Pi ltd. Foundation just own a lot of shares, but have nothing to do with product development at all.
2. The closed source firmware blob has got smaller and smaller with each generation of Pi. Nowadays on the Pi 5 it does very little. All the real work is now done in open source drivers.
3. The RP1 chip on the Pi5, which encompasses most of the Piness of the device is entirely designed and developed by Ltd, so they have complete control over it, Broadcom is irrelevant to it.
Wow, so much wrong in this post.
The firmware blob on the Pi5 (and now earlier models as well) does very little. Nowadays, it's really just thermal control and boot, it's there to get the system up and running, and to make sure the SoC doesn't overheat. Most of what used to be in the firmware (you know, 12 years ago) is now all open source Arm side code (3D, codec, cameras, display etc). Pi have put a lot of effort into getting as much out of the firmware and open-sourced as possible.
Because most of what used to be in the firmware is now in the kernel or userspace, that means a lot of it could be upstreamed, and has been. So the vanilla Linux will work. There are a few areas where code has not been upstreamed - anyone who has tried to upstream, knows how much of a PITA it can be - but it is still all open source in the Pi Github repo. Once Linux is booted, Linux is in control of everything except the thermal stuff. This is a good thing and means if Linux (or its own thernal control) crashes, the firmware can still stop the device overheating.
Basically your comment is about 8 years out of date and your comment on Debian, is, well, a bit weird.
1. Raspberry Pi trading diverged from the Foundation 13 years ago and has been run as a profit centre ever since. The IPO made little difference to that.
2. Freeloading? Raspberry Pi contribute a lot back to the Linux kernel, libcamera, MESA etc. If you are going to accuse people of freeloading, at least start with those who do not contribute back. Which is probably every other SBC supplier.
3. You can indeed get cheaper devices. There is a reason they are cheaper. Cheap Chinese chips, no support, crap warranty, no continuation of supply for a start. It's a long list.
Disagree. It clearly worked. It's still a prototype, a few rough edges, but it worked. Starlink launches are going to be the bread and butter for starship. Ignore the moon shots, the real money is Starlink launches - get that working and by default you get a long way to the moon/Mars flights anyway.
"No wonder there were so many bugs in the first place."
For anyone who actually wants to know about the bugs rather than just grandstanding, all the known errata are listed in the datasheet, and this also states which have been fixed and which have been mitigated in the A4 stepping. https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/rp2350/rp2350-datasheet.pdf, appendices C and E. 28 known errata on the A2, 11 full fixes in A3/A4, with a further 6 mitigated, leaving about 11, mostly very obscure but the datasheet has workarounds.
Hands up anyone who knows how modern chip design and testing is done!
Not you elsergiovolador.
You really are showing a lack of knowledge of the domain here. Have you actually read the hacking challenge results and seen what was done to "hack" the original RP2350? It's pretty heavy duty stuff. In the same way that software, despite much testing, still has vulnerabilities, so does hardware. Hackers are clever people, especially the ones who figure out all these glitching attacks. And they also have lots of time to target very specific areas. If companies had as much time to do the same over the whole chip, they would do it, but it would take 20 years to get product out of the door and instead of 90cents, the RP2350 would cost $50. As a company, you simply cannot think of everything, or get it perfectly right all the time, and timescales limit the total testing possible. The RP2350 was designed and tested by very experienced people and went through a year of testing.
I think you mean the right giving the impression they are doing more for the ordinary people. They are not, of course, but people believe them when they say they are.
Also odd that you mention media personalities on the left. The US president is the bigliest of media personalities. Bigger than anything on the left. Although he isn't hugely wealthy (because he's not a good businessman), he making sure he's getting that way.
Interesting take. To play devil advocate, Microsoft/American SW companies in general make a lot of money out of the rest of the world, and generate many of the CVE's. Why should the rest of the world pay to track CVE for America's buggy software? Perhaps the funding should be in relation to the number of CVE based on country of origin? If US has 75% of the CVEs, then they should pay 75% of the cost? Does anyone know the percentage figures for CVE country of origin?
You need to tell the Pi it's being supplied with 5A with the appropriate config.txt entry if your PS can supply 5v5A. If its USB-PD, then check it can supply 5A at 5v, most cannot. 25W from the PoE is absolutely fine, in fact overkill for the 500 unless you have lots of high power USB devices attached.