* Posts by Lomax

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Middleweight champ MX Linux 23 delivers knockout punch

Lomax

Re: Obsolete

> My computer doesn’t run an operating system anymore

No. You're actually running (at least) two operating systems: proxmox plus your VM's OS.

Top Linux distros drop fresh beats

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Facepalm

Re: GNOME V 2

I'm going to send a bill for a new keyboard to the Gnome devs after seeing for the first time today the absolute monstrosity of a UI that ships as default with Debian 12 - the shock of which caused me to spray my morning coffee all over the keys. I'm a happy Devuan+XFCE user and was just curious, and now I have PTSD. What. Were. They. Thinking? This is worse than Windows 8/Metro.

Apple redecorates its iPhone prison to appease Europe

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FAIL

Je me souviens...

  • I distinctly remember western lawmakers and financial experts compulsive gamblers promising that if we just opened up to China and allowed them to take over our everything, then China would be magically transformed into a liberal democracy, and we would live happily together in perpetual prosperity.
  • I distinctly remember our captains of industry exploitative bosses hectoring us about the ills of monopolies and angrily demanding that we privatise every aspect of society - assuring us that once unshackled "the market" would guarantee freedom of choice and quality of service.
I'm not saying we were sold a lie, but we were clearly sold a lie.

Shame about those wildfires. We'll just let the fossil fuel giants off the hook, then?

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Headmaster

While I share the sentiment of your post, I'd just like to point out that it was the eminent Swedish chemist (and physicist) Svante Arrhenius who first explored the heat-trapping mechanism of CO2 and showed that our CO2 emissions were sufficient to significantly alter the earth's climate. Arrhenius used the basic principles of physical chemistry to calculate the extent to which increases in atmospheric CO2 could increase Earth's surface temperature through the greenhouse effect. He presented his findings in 1896.

"If the quantity of carbonic acid in the air should sink to one-half its present percentage, the temperature would fall by about 4°; a diminution to one-quarter would reduce the temperature by 8°. On the other hand, any doubling of the percentage of carbon dioxide in the air would raise the temperature of the earth's surface by 4°; and if the carbon dioxide were increased fourfold, the temperature would rise by 8°."

"Although the sea, by absorbing carbonic acid, acts as a regulator of huge capacity, which takes up about five-sixths of the produced carbonic acid, we yet recognize that the slight percentage of carbonic acid in the atmosphere may by the advances of industry be changed to a noticeable degree in the course of a few centuries."

- Svante Arrhenius, Worlds in the Making (1908)

See also: the planet Venus.

Systemd 255 is here with improved UKI support

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Just say no to SystemD

I think the thing that riles me the most about this debacle is that it denies a majority of newcomers to Linux the simplicity and flexibility that impressed me so much when I myself made the switch. Coming from a lifetime of Windows* the underlying design principles of UNIX (and by extension, Linux) made a great impression on me. I know I don't need to repeat them here, but SystemD somehow manages to ignore and/or violate every single one. Binary log files. The endless feature creep. Locked in dependencies. Inscrutability. Unpredictability. Elimination of choice. That's far from all its issues, but we haven't got all day.

I readily agree that most newcomers will happily use whatever they've been given, whether it's from RedHat or Canonical (or one of their many flavours), and under typical use may never need to look under the hood very deeply - but if they do they won't find the same simplicity and flexibilty that so impressed me, just the big convoluted mess of wires that is SystemD. And they will never know that things could have been different. It's hyperbole, I'm sure some would say, but I honestly feel that SystemD has done more to damage Linux than all Redmond's underhand efforts of doing so put together. And short of some major player (RPi Foundation?) realising just how corrosive SystemD is I have little hope that anything will change. Many of us greybeards will continue to choose differently of course, but we won't be around forever. I for one will continue to speak up against SystemD until I draw my last breath - because I find it unacceptable and abhorrent. Brrrr. Thank you.

*) ok, so my first computer was a Sinclair, and then I had an Atari, an Amiga, and a DOS only 286 - and I've also mucked around with 68k Macs - so I do have experience of other systems. But yeah, all serious work I had done before moving to Linux was under Windows; 3, 3.1, 3.11, NT, 95, 98, 2000, XP, 7, 8 - and there they lost me.

New information physics theory is evidence 'we're living in a simulation,' says author

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Holmes

Maybe...

...but where are the wires?

Based on my own experience working as a programmer in various projects, it seems to me that systems do get more disorganised over time, and that they invariably bloat and sprawl and become less predictable. I'm thinking that predictability can be seen as a measure of order, in that the more ordered a system is the more predictable it is. Size seems to be an important factor; bigger projects appear to gain more entropy per unit of time than smaller ones. Some approach black hole levels of chaos attraction, where the only way to avoid having every hour of the day sucked into the crushing hell at its core is the rewrite that the beancounters won't let us have. And so we go back to work, trying to distil some semblance of order from our mess of wires - knowing full well it's a losing battle.

UK air traffic woes caused by 'invalid flight plan data'

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Re: Le Brexit

> the carcass has to be kept on life support. (But that's what the tax payer is for....)

FTFY

Lomax
Holmes

Before the horse, cart

I would put the back-up system in front of the main system instead, and let it process (but not execute) incoming plans - should an incoming plan lead to >X number of alterations to existing plans, or whatever other safety limits you want to set, reject it and alert the wetware. There would be no need for a third back-up system; the "back-forward" system could still serve as a hot spare since it would have to be kept up to date with the state of the main system in order to perform such tests. This architecture would reduce the reliance on error checking the messages themselves (which has a near infinite number of blind spots), by including their effect(s) on the actual system.

Pentagon whistleblower Ellsberg given months to live

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Re: Really? This tired old thing again?

"The charges against Assange should never have been brought in the first place. It is not too late for the US authorities to set things right and drop the charges"

- Agnes Callamard, Amnesty International Secretary General

"Mr. Assange is not a criminal convict and poses no threat to anyone, so his prolonged solitary confinement in a high security prison is neither necessary nor proportionate and clearly lacks any legal basis."

- Nils Melzer, UN Special Rapporteur on torture

"Journalists must not be persecuted or punished for their work anywhere in the world. In the interest of press freedom as well as for humanitarian reasons in view of his poor state of health, Julian Assange must be released without delay."

- Open letter signed by more than 70 members of the German parliament

"Julian Assange has made a significant investigative contribution to the news by revealing classified footage and text of possible US war crimes. In his work with the Internet platform WikiLeaks, Assange has always accepted immense reprisals in favor of reporting. The relentless pursuit of the investigative journalist Assange by the USA with the threat of extradition now poses a threat to free reporting in general."

- Excerpt from the 2022 Günter Wallraff Prize jury motivation

"I just say that enough is enough. There is nothing to be served by his ongoing incarceration. I think that when Australians look at the circumstances, look at the fact that the person who released the information is walking freely now, having served some time in incarceration but is now released for a long period of time, then they'll see that there is a disconnect there."

- Anthony Albanese, Prime Minister of Australia

"In view of both the press freedom implications and the serious concerns over the treatment Julian Assange would be subjected to in the United States, my assessment as Commissioner for Human Rights is that he should not be extradited."

- Dunja Mijatović, Commissioner for Human Rights, Council of Europe

"I observe the closest of similarities to the position I faced, where the exposure of illegality and criminal acts institutionally and by individuals was intended to be crushed by the administration carrying out those illegalities. Assange cannot get a fair trial for what he has done under these charges in the United States."

- Daniel Ellsberg

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Black Helicopters

Very sad to hear about Ellsberg's illness, a true champion of peace and justice.

Speaking of justice, Assange is still in jail - can anyone remind me for what crime?

Oh Snap... Desktop Ubuntu Core to arrive in 2024

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Boffin

Re: This is probably worthy of an article on its own

> Video editing, maybe for a light home user sure, but if it doesn't run Premier or Pro Tools that's the userbase it's going to stay with. Have you tried editing 4K video with 7.1 Dolby Surround on a Linux app?

If Blackmagic's DaVinci Resolve doesn't satisfy your needs, what do you want? It's widely regarded as one of the best NLA/VFX/grading packages in the industry. It p****s all over Premiere while laughing. And while only free in the sense a beer might be, I'll take that any day over Adobe's virtual prison.

I'll also throw Blender in the ring, because it too has little trouble knocking out Adobe's and Apple's contenders when it comes to video editing. And that's free in both senses.

Lomax

Re: Just when we thought that Linux gave us the freedom to choose

TBF I think this article is what Steve Davies 3 was referring to:

By order of Canonical: Official Ubuntu flavors must stop including Flatpak by default

Canonical has issued an official edict: the approved Ubuntu remixes must remove Flatpak support as of the next release.

The various Ubuntu flavors are not Canonical products. Only the original Ubuntu, with the GNOME desktop, is the "real thing." Even so, the company does have some control as it's Canonical that officially sanctions and endorses what is an official flavor, and what isn't. And Canonical has spoken: From the next release, no official variant shall support Flatpak any more. Canonical has its own official cross-platform packaging format, Snap, and as from version 23.04, only Snap is to be built in. The Flatpak plugin for the Software store will be removed too.

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If you like Flatpak – and a lot of people do – then you needn't worry. The Flatpak tooling will remain in Ubuntu's repositories, so you will be able to add it back in very easily, as described on Flathub. There are just three steps, and you can even skip one of those if you don't use the graphical software store.

More UK councils caught by Capita's open AWS bucket blunder

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Re: Hmmm

The UK government hands over roughly £1bn a year to Capita. I think you could run a fairly sizeable IT operation on that kind of money. Additionally you could probably recoup some of the cost by licensing your products to others. I know that's not "how capitalism works", but we've tried that and it clearly doesn't work - perhaps time to try something else?

Lomax
Boffin

Re: Hmmm

> They make a saving compared to what they would pay if they did it themselves.

You sound quite sure, and I have to ask: what numbers do you base this on?

Europe's right-to-repair law asks hardware makers for fixes for up to 10 years

Lomax

Re: A good start, but ...

@MacroRodent And I recall when laptops had printed symbols next to the screw holes to show which screws needed to be removed to access which parts.

How the Internet Archive faces potential destruction at the hands of Big Four publishers

Lomax

Re: The IA have themselves to blame

This reminds me of the "streaming revolution" and all the music that's no longer available - unless you can find a second-hand copy on a physical medium.

The Stonehenge of PC design, Xerox Alto, appeared 50 years ago this month

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Go

Re: Proper paper orientation

I agree with Victor Hasselblad: why confuse things by having an orientation at all - just go square and stop worrying about it! Square monitors are in fact readily available, if not cheaply, and are often used in air traffic control rooms. See for example the 1920x1920 Eizo FlexScan EV2730Q. Makes sense if you think about it.

This app could block text-to-image AI models from ripping off artists

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Mushroom

Re: A potential wokable solution?

My suggestion: switch off the Internet. It's not nearly as useful as it was supposed to be, and may in fact be doing more harm than good. Don't agree? Then tell me, really, how has it improved human existence? Other than providing a way to further concentrate wealth and power in ever fewer hands, giving us the ability to troll each other anonymously at scale, and handing undemocratic forces the means of mass surveillance on a level that would shock even Orwell - providing a grossly inflated source of income to self important developer types who spend their days unquestioningly aiding our assimilation by the borg in the process, while robbing anyone with a creative mindset of their means, and turning everyone else into a miserable social media addict. I used to be its biggest proponent; now I can't wait for WWIII to finish it off.

Icon: nuke it from orbit before it's too late.

Lomax

Because "AI" cannot do anything BUT copying. It cannot add anything of its "self" because it has no "self". It cannot "be inspired" because it has no inspiration. It is a dead thing.

Reviving a classic: ThinkPad modder rattles tin to fund new motherboard for 2008's T60 and T61 series of laptops

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Re: T42p

I had the 14" T42p and it's definitely one of the most solidly built of the Thinkpads (the 600 series also springs to mind as particularly "indestructible"). I'd left mine switched on and open on the desk in my office when a torrential downpour caused a leak in the roof right above it - when I got into the office the next day I was met by a faint smell of burnt electronics and found my cherished T42p had been completely filled with rainwater. I removed all batteries, took out the keyboard and DVD drive and left it on the radiator for a few days, but any hope I had was lost when I reinstalled the parts and tried to turn it on; it was of course dead as a dodo. Chucked it in a drawer and tried to forget about it, but found it a month later and was amazed to see it spring to life when I flicked the power switch! I kept using that machine for several years, and even did a hardware mod on it to change the HDD interface from IDE to SATA. It was a lovely machine.

Lomax

Re: X330 FTW!

Portability and durability are my most important parameters. And having a "traditional" keyboard with a TrackPoint is non-negotiable. As far as I know the X330 is the most up-to-date machine that ticks all my boxes, there really seems to be no other option. Would love to upgrade the mint condition X61s I have in storage - 4:3 looks frikkin amazing compared to the 16:9 letterboxes we've all become used to viewing the world through.

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X330 FTW!

I have an X230 modded with an X220 keyboard, IPS screen, 2.9GHz i7, 16Gb RAM, 500Gb SSD. I use it all day, every day. Love it! My only concern is that there is no future upgrade option, and that I will have use a laptop made in 2012 for the rest of my life. It seems us computer professionals are no longer a viable market segment for the big manufacturers, so projects like these may be the only way forward.

RIP Bernie Drummond: Celebrated ZX Spectrum artist and programmer on Batman, Head Over Heels, Match Day II

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Angel

Head over Heels (in Love)

So complex, so beautiful - a true masterpiece. Do yourselves a favour and check out Retrospec's excellent, and 100% faithful, full colour reworking of this astonishing example of assembler wizardry and pixel art, still available from archive.org. I think it's Windows, MacOS and BeOS(!) only, though there may be a Linux version floating about elsewhere in the Intertubes... RIP Mr Drummond - thanks to you every time I see a toaster I imagine jumping over it.

Apps made with Google's Flutter may fritter away CPU cycles. Here's what the web giant intends to do about it

Lomax

Re: This is why we can't have nice things

You probably have several things happening, such as waiting for an IP address, searching & mounting drives, intialising hardware, polling for keyboard interrupt - these are not CPU bound tasks.

Lomax
Stop

Re: This is why we can't have nice things

> MSN messenger worked, was fast, consumed n in ~10MB of memory.

So did Pidgin, my favourite messaging app. Sadly I cannot use it anymore; today I exclusively use Matrix / Element for voice/video/chat and am forced to use their shitty Electron "web app", which suffers from all the problems you mention (and more!). It's also a full screen app for some reason, while Pidgin managed to do all the same things (and better!) in a ~300px wide window - using only a tiny fraction of the system resources consumed by Element.

Awkward. At Chrome summit, developer asks: Why should anyone trust Google?

Lomax
Holmes

Re: Trust Google?

> But can anyone really get around having a Google account?

Let me turn that question around: how can anyone really stand using any Google product once they know just how toxic and corrosive their business practices are?

I use the KolabNow groupware, the Qwant search engine and a SailfishOS smartphone. I do watch YouTube, but would stop if it required me to sign into a Google account. If you don't exercise your right to choose you will end up losing it. Be the change you want to see. Support the alternatives.

Reg reader returns Samsung TV after finding giant ads splattered everywhere

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Alert

Re: "you're also paying to be part of Samsung's global TV advertising network"

> Personally, I prefer to use the TV as a dumb display, and hook in various standalone devices for my media consumption. And that's what I'll keep doing.

I'm sure it's only a question of time before they will require an Internet connection to function. Cf. HP printers, Adobe software, etc.

Google's 'Be Evil' business transformation is complete: Time for the end game

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Boffin

UnGoogle yourself

If you've finally reached the conclusion that life without Google might be better, but don't know what to do about the spyware smartphone in your pocket:

Jolla have just released Sailfish OS 4.2, their third release this year.

It's really quite good.

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Go

Re: Because Google is actually useful

I quite like Qwant.

Online harms don’t need dangerous legislation, they need a spot of naval action

Lomax

Re: Alt-history

Really appreciate you all offering your critique of my thought experiment - and I hope it's clear from the title that it really is just that; I do not advocate nor support any legislation which would reduce anonymity online today. That cat is long out of the bag and busy chasing mice touchscreens. I do feel that you are somewhat missing my point though, which is that diverse human society existed long before the Internet, replete with dissent and copyright violation and journalism and freedom of speech and anonymity and hobbyists and successful sexual and minority liberation movements. All of those things existed long before the Internet, and arguably were often of a higher grade than the vapid echo chamber we now find ourselves trapped in. Reading your responses I can't help wondering, how old are you? Do you understand how insignificant the social developments of the last fifty years are compared to those achieved in the fifty years preceding them? In fact in many ways we are regressing. The price we have paid is complete dependence on a technology that now threatens to undermine the very mechanism which makes change possible: democracy.

I sometimes think we are approaching a point where the best we can hope for is another Carrington Event.

Lomax
Mushroom

Alt-history

> Likewise the calls to enforce ID for users. This breaks down on every level – infosec, effectiveness and sanity

Well, yes, this is true. But it is only true because of what the Internet has become: a vital extension of our private space. Now I was born the previous century, many years before the intertubes connected us all into this angry ball of hate, and I can't help thinking that things might have been very different if access to them had been predicated on your identity being known from the start. You know, a bit like how your car has to carry license plates. It's a public network after all, much like how the road network is a public network, and a network on which we're belatedly beginning to realise that an individual's ability to do harm to others is just as great. Sure, it would have meant the whole "information wants to be free" cyber-punk movement of the 80s and 90s* wouldn't have happened; no Napster, Piratebay or Oink's Pink Palace, but you know what, life was kind of ok before it. The Internet would still be just as useful, when it comes to reading the news, ordering food, downloading user manuals, looking things up in an encyclopedia or watching films, but mass disinformation campaigns would be impossible a lot harder to conduct - and my mother's cousin might still be alive because she wouldn't have seen an endless stream of posts on facebook about how Bill Gates is trying to kill us all with his evil vaccine. Or at least she might have died while still on friendly terms with the rest of her family.

*) A movement, I might add, I very much considered myself a part of. Still do I guess, but quo vadis?

Twitter's machine learning algorithms amplify tweets from right-wing politicians over those on the left

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Mushroom

Re: Black Box

> In this case, it's relatively benign

Unless of course you consider the collapse of civilisation to be a problem.

Where meetings go to die: Microsoft Teams outage lets customers skip that collaboration call they've been dreading

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Facepalm

Office 365 was also affected

Claims the Indy.

Such a great idea, isn't it, to rent your productivity software from across the Internet. What could possibly go wrong? Fortunately there is an easy fix that will let you continue working on your draft report even when some remote server has fallen over - and it's free as well (in both senses):

sudo apt-get install libreoffice

Edit: Perhaps MS should change the name to Office 364, just to ward off any false marketing lawsuits. Even better: Office 360. As in "you are surrounded by idiots on all sides".

AWS tops up the Bezos rocket fund thanks to more money from Brit tax collection agency

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Facepalm

It's a tough job, but someone's got to do it

"In addition, HMRC has awarded a £2m contract to AWS EMEA Sarl UK's Professional Services wing, again for two years. This involves the provision of consultants that will work on speeding up the adoption of AWS products and services."

So HMRC are paying Amazon to tell them what other Amazon products they should buy.

What could possibly go wrong?

All grown up: Raspberry Pis running Ubuntu added to IoT patching service KernelCare

Lomax

Yeah, and reboots are pretty quick on my Devuan IoT Pis. I always run with automatic security updates, and take into account when designing the system that individual machines will reboot occasionally. Never had a problem. Oh actually, I did have an issue where my OpenVPN connection sometimes wouldn't come back up after a reboot, but I fixed that with a little bashing. I use Mosquitto for messaging, which holds messages until delivered, and Node-Red for flow control, with cold start initialisations. Rebooting is not the drama it used to be.

Wine pops cork on version 6.0 of the Windows compatibility layer for *nix systems

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Angel

Re: Don't forget Crossover Office

> TOOLS and UTILS

What is the difference between a "tool" and a "ulility"?

Explained: The thinking behind the 32GB Windows Format limit on FAT32

Lomax

Re: "the age-old problem of the temporary solution becoming de-facto permanent"

Side note: Until the End of the World, anyone?

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Megaphone

Re: "the age-old problem of the temporary solution becoming de-facto permanent"

> there's a lot of backwards going on right now in computing

I was just thinking about how barely anyone I know uses anything that looks like a computer any more; the programmers have grown up to middle management (and have forgotten all about code), the creatives have become YouTubers (and have forgotten all about creating), and most others work in hospitality (as in AirBnB), sales (as in B&Q), warehousing (as in Amazon) or driving (as in Uber). The black mirror they all carry in their pockets, and which studiously records their every breath, is what they use for anything which would otherwise require a computer. They give me strange looks when I pull out my laptop to check my emails ("why don't you use WhatsApp!?"). Also: none of them chat, email or write any more - the UI is optimised for voice & video and "typing" is reduced to the occasional "LOL" or smiley. Talk about going backwards - the technology which once promised to set us all free instead turned us into mindless serfs. The most brilliant tool ever invented is no longer used to make, only to consume.

And now for something completely different: A lightweight, fast browser that won't slurp your data

Lomax
Devil

Indefensible

I see several people in this thread contorting themselves to defend excessive use of JavaScript - they are either lazy, ignorant or both. Please read and digest the relevant standards and you'll see that much of what you think can only be done with JS has already been addressed in HTML, CSS and HTTP. Not only that - there is elegance, pragmatism and restraint. If you think JavaScript is the answer you've likely misunderstood the question. Certainly leaving the user with a blank page because he doesn't want to run your scripts is just plain rude. The web is not only for man, but also for machine - and for man not only for the sighted and able bodied. Bet you've never even heard of tabindex.

Makes me glad to be out of the web development game; we would hate each other if we had to work together.

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Alert

"Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer network"

Is that because i'm not using your browser spyware?

US nuke agency hacked by suspected Russian SolarWinds spies, Microsoft also installed backdoor

Lomax

Re: Too big to fail

Open source has never looked this good.

Lomax

Re: Too big to fail ..... one of the greatest of myths

If you wish to cover all the lands with your plague, without interruption or intrusion from the other planets or worlds, then go into the basement or the shed, and presently perform the sacred ritual; dance for the system that never sees daylight (or another system), so that the purity of the strain may be preserved. Only this holy vial can contain your dreams of domination, only this vial has the power to let the powerful continue to rule in their sunken vessel. When the light turns green, the truth is reborn, and the eating and the eaten emerge to feast.

Lomax

Re: Too big to fail

Pretty sure they will be looking very carefully right now. Not that that means they'll find anything - and not that that means it isn't there. Last time I checked a minimal Windows OS install was in the 40GB region, and we're talking compiled code of course. How many lines of C#, C++, VB, Assembler, what have you, only god Bill knows. Trillions?

Lomax

Re: i used to enjoy solarwinds Orion when it was a single app ona single server

PRTG +1

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Black Helicopters

Too big to fail

If Microsoft's production systems had been compromised, and malicious code had been pushed out via Windows Update, do you think they would admit it, or try to cover it up? If I was directing the activities of the group responsible for this hack, I would consider the Windows/Office codebase to be the ultimate target - get in there and you pwn the world. Damn near 100% of corporate and governmental desktops and laptops run Windows, and Office, and most of them are inside some part of their VPNs - many no doubt in the innermost layer. Servers are watched 24/7 by admins and security personnel, because a failure here is considered costly and dangerous. Individual desktops and laptops are less of a concern; they are routinely re-imaged and should not store any really sensitive data - insert a well crafted trojan here and you may evade detection far longer than on any high-value system. Keep an eye on any recent/upcoming Windows Updates for clues...

Ad blocking made Google throw its toys out of the pram – and now even more control is being taken from us

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Re: Keep on AdBlocking

I'm running 78.4.0esr and recently closed the 1583 tabs I had accumulated - not to free up memory, but to free myself from them! I have no performance issues whatsoever with Firefox on my i7 8gb machine, but maybe that's because I have NoScript installed. I do have a lot of issues with Google though, and simply cannot use any of their products. I would rather crawl over broken glass switch to any other browser than switch to Chrome.

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Alert

Re: Keep on AdBlocking

Would you buy Firefox if it was a paid for product? I would. In a heartbeat. ~€50 seems reasonable. I've already donated to the Mozilla Foundation - twice in fact, but I would have no hesitation to buy a license if they switched to that model. It's by far the most heavily used software on my computers, and I've paid hundreds of Euros for some of the other software I use.

World+dog share in collective panic attack as Google slides off the face of the internet

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Re: “So there was no need to resort to something like Bing”

> a good alternative to Google search

Did you try Qwant?

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Re: “So there was no need to resort to something like Bing”

I've been using Qwant as my default search engine for months now, and have found it to be really quite good. Previously tried to use DuckDuckGo as the default but found myself constantly repeating the search in Google - not so with Qwant!

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