Posts by Liam Proven

CentOS is coming to RISC-V soon if you have the kit

Re: Isn't CentOS an ex-OS ?

> I remember it actually started as White label Linux, available from (and funded by) someone who the community turned against because he was on holiday with the family and not reading any email.

Secondly, I don't recall any distro called White Label Linux.

I know of White _Box_ Linux.

https://www.whiteboxlinux.org/index.html

That was described as "Maintained solely by John Morris of Beauregard Parish Public Library, DeRidder, Louisiana."

Is that who you were talking about?

> there's also the recently announced (02/05/26) "availability of Ubuntu on K3/K1 series RISC-V AI" CPU from SpacemiT

Oh, well spotted -- I had missed that.

> the 16-core RVA23-compliant K3 performs about the same as a 4-core Raspberry Pi 5

As good as that? I am slightly surprised. Good for them.

Now, does anyone have price:performance figures? >:-D

> Loongson's RISC-V-inspired 3B6000 (12-cores/24-threads) shows it to be 2.4x the speed of a RPi 5

Yes indeed. On an absolute scale, it's unimpressive. But as a proof of Chinese tech, it's the opposite. "Not great, not terrible" -- good enough to invade Taiwan, get away with it, _and_ cripple the global chip industry into the deal. Bargain!

> the 1W2R design

This one was new to me. I Googled it.

I found this from nearly a year ago:

https://forums.theregister.com/post/reply/5031539

And this from a year before that, from @HuBo:

https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2024/03/20/alibaba_c930_riscv/#c_4833691

Are you the artist formerly known as HuBo?

One write, two reads, is that correct?

> Fedora already supports RISC-V,

Good point.

> this means PurpleHat is exploring the posibility of it being a supported architecture in the future.

I reckon it's closer than that, TBH, but I don't know.

> The next logical step after Fedora was for CentOS Stream to get "RISCy-V" Before RHEL itself does.

Agreed.

> RISC-V Developers may get a DeepComputing RISC-V mainboard that fits in a Framework Laptop frame:

Oh yes indeed -- I covered it in 2024:

https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/18/riscv_framework_main_board/

I tried the resulting laptop. The first phrase that springs to mind, TBH, is "dog slow".

I still use 2010-2011 Thinkpads which _feel_ *dramatically* faster.

> Presumably it means Alma and Rocky will follow

Agreed, yes.

> and I imagine it helps the other Linuxes (Alpine) too in various ways.

Why Alpine? I am genuinely curious.

Re: Isn't CentOS an ex-OS ?

> I thought that it had died after being brought "in house" then killed.

You didn't RTFA either, then.

> Why does an article about CentOS have a Quokka as a piccie? QQ is Ubuntu 25.10

Tell us you didn't read the article without, etc.

Read the article. Then you'll know.

Hint: never ever comment until you RTFA.

'The EU runs on Microsoft' – and Uncle Sam could turn it off, claims MEP

> are entirely separate

They aren't.

Russia is militarily weak AF. It's been unable to beat Ukraine, a poor nation riddled with corruption.

But Russia has known ever since its alleged democratic transition that it's weak and poor. What it has is excellent psyops skills from nearly a century of controlling public though, and it's rolled this out at international scale thanks to social networks.

Brexit: Russian money, Russian disinfo, placing incompetent fools in power and letting the systems self-destruct.

Trump: Russia. Exactly the same.

Alt-right: Russia. Amplify Neo-Nazis, make people think denying global warming or vaccines or whatever is independent thought.

Neo-reactionaries, demonisation and corruption of "woke", new evangelical religion (including extremist christianity and islam)? Russian backed, Russian aided, Russian facilitated.

Foment discontent and discord and you can weaken both individual enemy states and entire alliances of them.

And this goes for international economic alliances as well: for instance driving wedges between Britain and Europe, and Europe and America.

Re: EU politicians finally getting it

> There's only three people need to agree not merely on the desirability to make this happen, but that their organisations will henceforth MAKE IT HAPPEN

No. You missed the smaller point here.

The reality is: this does not need to be some vast union-wide directive.

It can start today at state-level, in smaller states like Sleswig which are not major economic powerhouses, and smaller countries like Denmark which is critically theatened by climate change and knows it.

That is the point of the "don't look at the big scary mountains, look at your own feet" thing.

Don't start with the big international cooperation.

Start with asking "do we need a regional-govt-scale Win11 rollout, or can we stick with 10 + patches, switch to FOSS productivity apps this year, FOSS servers next year, and a FOSS OS the year after, and then skip the entire upgrade? Before this gen of kit is depreciated?"

Re: Reality bites

> it's increasingly hard to fly under the radar like that

You have seized hold of the wrong end of the stick and are growling and pulling at it.

The EU is made up of governments. Governments own and run their own computers. They choose what they run.

It's not about evading controls. That's an irrelevant minor side-issue.

The point is, you can run in a networked controlled MS-centric environment with mostly or entirely FOSS tools. It works. It may not work _great_ but that does not matter as much as _it works at all_.

That means that if you are willing to accept a few pains and annoyances, you can do this, now, today, with free tools.

And there are two arguments why this is worth it:

1. For a state-sized entity, you can save hundreds of millions of dollars. Not "not spend" but save: as in, keep the money inside your state, rather than send it to a somewhat hostile foreign state.

2. Don't forget, the 100% pure all-MS solution is _already_ riddled with pains and annoyances. It's an over-complicated mess which the company can't even pretend it can fix any more and so instead it's leaning hard into adding more annoyances, such as crappy LLM bots, integrated spyware, etc.

So you can't lose. Yes it will cost billions. But you're spending billions _anyway_.

No it won't work very well. But it doesn't work very well anyway.

Re: Hope Springs Eternal

> But don't forget that MS doesn't have a choice if Trump picks up the phone and instructs Satya to do it.

Don't forget?

That is THE KEY POINT OF THE ARTICLE.

Re: You need to get pout more

> Energy from water ?

Yeah, no.

You've dressed it up in fancy wording but what you said is "why don't we just build perpetual motion machines?!!!?"

Re: Reality bites

> In any case just because something is open source, does not mean it is safe

"Trusting trust."

Better than trusting Bill Gates, TBH.

Re: Reality bites

> the USA military and intelligence 'communities' are deeply embedded in both the UK's and the rest of NATO's military and intelligence gathering organisations.

That's the point of Dirk S's line:

Don't look at the mountains in the distance. Focus on the concrete steps you can take now.

I don't just make this stuff up, you know. I've done it. I have worked in several different "100% Microsoft" companies in the last decade, and used Linux and FOSS to do it.

Either a Linux desktop and remote-desktop clients, or Windows with locally-installed LibreOffice etc.

The loud MS pundits say it can't be done, that the compatibility isn't there, that you can't round-trip.

The loud MS pundits, though, we must remember are the folks that are too technically incompetent to run Linux and too bigoted to run Macs. They're the scum floating at the top of IT. They don't know JACK from Pipewire, and they are wrong.

You can do it. I know because _I have done it._ For years at a time. The companies never even knew. It works fine. Even Thunderbird can now talk direct to Exchange without plugins.

You focus on the achievable stuff.

1. Add new local clients on existing OSes. Help users adapt.

2. Remove expensive proprietary client apps. Put 'em back for the 0.1% who need them and make it clear *all* costs are going on their budget.

3. Now you have more open client apps, add new standards-based server ones. Start turning off the paid ones and consolidating and downscaling.

4. In parallel you can start replacing some client OSes.

You do this aggressively and in 1 PC refresh cycle you've saved 25% or something of the license budget, Finance is on your side and likes you, and you've reduced your exposure to attack as well.

Placate the loud tech-nitwits in suits with shiny Macbooks.

End result: no change in strategy, no big bang, but you cut your outgoing costs, you cut licence fees, you cut malware vulnerability, and you're still in the same networks and partnerships and the others don't even know you shifted.

Don't move mountains. Dig up the paved-over garden and regreen it. Leave the mountains where they are. Worry about the yard.

Re: Hope Springs Eternal

> Microsoft's markets [...] would disappear within a couple of years

"You say that like it's a _bad_ thing."

Look, if we have WW3 -- when we have it? -- then it's over anyway.

That's why they're all in Go For Broke mode anyway. Strip mine the assets, hide 'em, build their bunkers and hide in 'em.

> the origin of the EU was the European Coal and Steel Community

TIL (Today I learned) something new. Thanks.

I reckon Doc Joch had been working on that line for a while. He didn't get a round of applause, but he deserved one. ;-)

Penguin in your pocket: Nexphone dual boots into Linux, Windows 11

> dual-booting windows is news, but let's face it, who wants that, really?

I suspect quite a few people could find it very useful indeed.

I can imagine uses for it myself. I have tried Arm64 Win11 and while it's still Win11, a bloated mess, it does the job. If you hunt around you can find Arm64 native apps, and even if they are not much faster, they take less CPU power to work because they eliminate emulation. Less electricity doesn't matter so much when docked, but it means the device will also run cooler.

A phone you can dock and which becomes a full PC able to run x86-only apps? I can certainly see uses for that, yes!

> Go and build it into your repo and see what happens.

You can run a largely standard userland on top of the Android kernel, and multiple distros do that, notably the FuriOS I wrote about a couple of years ago...

https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/03/furiphone_flx1/

https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/21/mobian_trixie/

> if the buyer is only interested in one of these alternative OSs.

If so then why not buy a cheaper phone? Why would you buy this one and then remove its unique distinguishing feature?

It's possible it might be removable. Ask them, and let us know.

> Is it downloading the non Android OS's at boot time

I'm sorry but I don't know what that's even meant to mean.

They're both in flash. I doubt you can just remove one, no.

Re: Do the other OSes have cell access?

> Do the other OSes have cell access?

I believe Windows has cellular drivers, so I see no reason why not. Quite a few laptops can take a SIM card.

Down at the software level it's a Hayes modem, then PPP.

Debian won't need it as it's a VM. If the host is online then the VMs are online.

KDE Plasma 6.6 beta ships a login manager that won't log in without systemd

Re: wayland in progress

> XFCE

This works on LabWC and that is how openSUSE 16 ships it on Leap 16.

Keyboard controls for window management do not work, but otherwise, you can hardly tell any difference.

But for now, the most impressive Wayland desktop I've seen is COSMIC, which is very fast and works well. Terrible for keyboard control so far, mind you.

Emmabuntüs DE 6: A newbie-friendly Linux to help those in need

Re: not again.....

> an existing distro like mint

Mint 1st release: 2006

Emmabuntus 1st release: 2010

OK, theoretically viable, yes.

But that's before Unity: back then, Mint was Ubuntu with the optional-extra codecs built in.

As I recall, in the very early days of Ubuntu, it did not include MP3/Flash player/Java/DVD decoding, because in some countries they could not distribute them -- so, Ubuntu was slightly crippled to comply with the law in the USA.

Mint just bundled this stuff; it is Irish/French and in the EU this was legal.

Mint was super niche when Emmabuntus got started.

But it has a different focus to Mint.

Mint tries to look like Windows and be visually tame, toned down from the visual noise of some Linux distros, which aim at kids who wanna be hackers. Mint is businesslike. It is clean, not stripped down but not cluttered with extras and doodads and bells and whistles.

Like Ubuntu, Mint doesn't include many hardware-config tools because it assumes your PC is new enough stuff will just work and won't need much config.

For the first 2 years I used Ubuntu, I dual-booted with SUSE just so I could use SUSE's Sax tool to configure my dual screens on dual Matrox graphics cards -- and then copy my `/etc/X11/xfree86.conf` (or something!) file across to the Ubuntu partition. Ubuntu had no graphics-setup tools if your config didn't Just Work. Mine didn't.

Emmabuntus doesn't try to look like Windows. It is different, faintly superficially Mac-like at present (top panel + dock), and has more docs and more helper apps and accessories than Mint. It has tools for getting you started, getting your hardware working, helping you learn your way around -- aimed at novices who know Windows a little, not aimed at gamers who want the highest FPS like in Garuda.

If anything it's most like Linux Lite.

Re: I know Emmaus

> I punt on Point-Of-Sale

Yeah, that's the 2nd meaning that came to my mind but it doesn't really fit either, IMHO.

I don't really have a 3rd meaning that springs to mind, which is why I asked.

Re: Newbie

> t Uni in (of God) 1994

(?)

"Oh god"?

If so: pah! I went nearly a decade earlier. Linux did not exist yet, nor did BSD on 386. Actually the first 386 chip was released the year I went to uni: even 8086 computers were still too expensive for anyone except rich businesses. I took a 48K ZX Spectrum with me.

Re: Try our newbie-friendly Linux!

> "What was it called again?"

I think the name is probably easy and natural to Francophones.

Moi, je parle la belle langue de Frances, mais malheureusement, depuis plus de quarante ans, je suis encore un debutant. Chaque fois je le parle -- ou je l'escris -- je le massacre, toujour.

Re: Newbie

> I'm still not at a point where I feel the need to configure the actual desktop or system

It's a cycle.

On the one hand, not wanting to tamper.

The flipside: learning everything you like to adjust and customise, knowing how to get it exactly right... and then, learning the tools that work the way you like, and what small adjustments make you comfy.

So at one point you install a bunch of stuff and write config files...

And then you break through to the other side, and install the things that work the way you like by people who think like you, and you don't need to do much tweaking any more.

I adopted Mac OS X early, driven partly by disdain for the childish garish Windows XP. I learned how to add a few shortcuts to my desktop and my Dock, and to put the Dock on the left vertically, and how to set up a Mac the way I liked. (Quite unlike the way I did on MacOS 8 and 9 but that was a different OS.)

Then along came Ubuntu Unity, pre-configured with some shortcuts on the desktop and the launcher bar thing vertically on the left, and I felt at home very quickly.

I still use it.

If I am on a distro where I don't have Unity, after days and weeks of experimenting with half a dozen desktops at Red Hat and SUSE, I learned that Xfce is the desktop that does what I like with the least work, and in 45 mins of work I can have Xfce set up just so, with 1 panel as a "deskbar" vertical on the left, a launch menu with search, etc. and it's a comfy environment I can work in happily for years on end.

Every other Windows-like breaks as soon as you step outside the Windows defaults... which for me shows that they do not know the thing they were copying well enough.

But yes, there is an alternate pathway here:

Either learn to be happy with the defaults, or, learn which non-default tools work the way you like and where to get them.

Either way you can get to something you like with little effort or customisation needed.

Re: "most people are so impressed by the variety of free stuff they can have"

> Is this just my bunch of hateful gits, though?

Some people _are_ like that.

IMHO there are 2 factors we don't talk about enough:

1. Piracy and tolerance thereof.

Do they care? Is it OK if it's small scale from a big company, say?

If someone cares about legalities then legit completely free stuff, no strings attached, is great.

If you don't care about nicking a bit of small stuff occasionally from someone who'll never notice... then this reduces the appeal.

2. Knowledge and skills and self-knowledge.

There are a lot of trained monkeys who need the top left button 1 row down and 3 across to be the expected thingie.

If they know and acknowledge that they are, they might be perfectly OK given something else with the same layout.

If they think they know the basics, but really don't, then they will be lost and they will blame the computer -- or the person who recommended the computer.

Re: I know Emmaus

> younger POS people

(?)

I think this abbreviation means something different to you than it does to the rest of us.

China’s Deepin Linux gets a slick desktop - and, yes, built-in AI

Re: Thank you for the review

> how does it compare?

I would not recommend Deepin for Western users, no. It's quite a good desktop and I think Western distro vendors should watch it closely because it does some things right.

As a KDE user wanting to maybe leave openSUSE?

The Mandriva family remains hearty. Try PC Linux OS, Mageia, and OpenMandriva. All are KDE-first.

Check out Kubuntu and Tuxedo OS.

Keep an eye on what the KDE Linux project is doing. That looks very promising tech.

> I don't see the point in advertising a distribution that is bound to be riddled with spyware ;-(

Let me explain.

1. Here is the latest Chinese distro. Here's what you should know (then what's changed, what's stable, etc.)

2. Note that it dodges FOSS politics afflicting Western distros.

3. Note, it is multiplatform and has support for entire CPU families not made or sold in the West.

4. This means China has caught up more than you might realise.

5. This means China can get away with disrupting world CPU/GPU supplies. Indeed it might benefit from it.

6. This means the People's Republic of China can invade and annex the Republic of China, its stated goal since the end of WW2.

7. This means another full invasion by a non-Western superpower of a peaceful Western ally state looks more likely.

8. Also since the primary funding force and military backer of NATO is threatening NATO members and will probably soon withdraw from NATO, that the EU and its allies will soon be facing threads from both Russia _and_ China.

If that does not worry you then you need to be more aware of what is happening in the world around you.

This is not about spyware.

> Who's going to try shoehorning AI into Western Linux?

The obvious candidate.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/14/rocky_alma_and_rhel_10/

Re: Ask SUSE first

> a simple Google search immediately confirms it.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/09/opensuse_ditches_deepin/

Re: China’s Deepin Linux gets a slick desktop - and, yes, built-in AI

> Liam have you looked at UbuntuDDE?

https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/07/ubuntu_dde_2110/

https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/28/ubuntu_dde_2204/

Sadly it hasn't updated in years, I think.

Re: China’s Deepin Linux gets a slick desktop - and, yes, built-in AI

> I think that desktop environment looks more like Linux's unix-like cousin macOS rather than the 'can't switch off' clusterfuck that is currently Windows 11.

Only inasmuch as Windows is getting a bit more Mac-like with a centred taskbar and so on...

No, it's very definitely Windowsy -- but with hamburger menus. :-(

Re: xkcd

2 are slightly out, apparently:

https://explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1179:_ISO_8601

Debian's FreedomBox Blend promises an easier home cloud

Re: Exactly the right time to get a Linux server

> I have the Microserver that Liam links to in the article. I've used it for a number of years as it was being thrown out.

I've got 2 and I paid for them!

I didn't know about the 2TB limit. I have a Gen8 as well and it has 3TB disks.

But 1 of mine has 4 x 2TB in ZRAID1, which is ZFS's version of RAID-5, so I have ~6TB usable storage.

I did fill that up which involved a very unpleasant dedupe session but I fixed it with a boot disk, which is the sort of thing you can't do with a QNAP.

Re: top of the tree

> you expect a one click install with everything done.

I am a bit torn. I agree and I disagree.

I mean, yes, you can do it. I did not see a burning need myself but then again I do not encrypt my machines or my email or anything. I have no big secrets and nothing much worth stealing. I own no shares in anything, for example.

I'd be more inclined to use DynDNS or something. If you are into static IPs, domain names, MX records, all that nastiness, then this is not the product for you. That is pro level stuff and FreedomBox is meant to be small scale, single machine, single disk, no fancy storage, no fancy anything.

It's trying to find ways to use enterprise-level tools, like auto deployment of leading FOSS groupware and other tools, in automatically-updated containers to build a home server, without ever needing to know what a container is.

That's laudable. That sort of thinking is why we have OSes like Ubuntu and Mint and Zorin OS, easy enough for non-techie end-users to run their home computers on FOSS and do whatever they want to do.

The disagreement part...

Well, yes, I *do* want to see one-click distros.

I want to see some people putting the same sort of effort into dead-easy home or very-small-business servers that they do into a thousand desktop distros, some with changes no more substantial than themes and desktop layout.

I want to see one-click immutable server OSes that run standards-based FOSS tools to make it stupidly easy to host your own homepage and blog and publish it via RSS and ActivityPub. I want peer-to-peer chat that just works and you don't need any kind of cloud account. Voice and video calls over it would be good too. I want to see the dead basic pre-social-networks level of being present on the web and findable, and I want to see it free and bulletproof.

I don't think that's silly. I think that _should_ be easy because technologically it _is_ easy: the bits are there.

Re: Koozali SMEServer

> SMEServer (under the Koozali Foundation) is in beta with a version based on Rocky 8.

Very glad to hear it -- even if that is pretty old too.

RHEL 8.10 went EOL in May 2024 so although it's a stable target, and it's still getting crucial security fixes for another 3Y, it's a big ask to expect people to deploy or migrate to a new Rocky 8-based distro in 2026!

Rocky 9 still has a year of updates ahead, I think. Why not skip a generation? I guess it was too hard, which implies hard questions about tooling and processes and things like that...

> a simple QNAP replacement is in the post.

:-(

That's a rotten shame. Sorry to hear that.

This stuff is pretty easy to do, but it is a damning indictment of the industry that it's not easier still.

> though I wonder if it does _too_ much for my straight-forward use case

I think it'd be overkill as a simple NAS.

I rolled my own in lockdown: Raspberry Pi 4 in a passive-heatsink case, 4 x 2TB SATA drives in USB3 enclosures, Ubuntu Server for OpenZFS, and Webmin to manage the shares. A powered USB-3 hub also powered the Pi: one fewer mains sockets.

Worked pretty well, but ZFS doesn't like USB drives.

I moved it into a Microserver and installed TrueNAS Core. It picked up the same ZFS array, and I was in business. *Much* easier.

Re: top of the tree

> but the article is mum about it

https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Manual/LetsEncrypt

Re: A nice bundle

> you can get a decently old office desktop cheap

Oh yes indeed. I especially recommend...

Parkytowers: Thin Clients

https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/

«

What's this site about?

It's about repurposing Thin Client hardware.

What do they get used for?

A quick get-out is "Only limited by your imagination"…

»

And where to find them...

https://www.lowcostminipcs.com/uk/

Re: Desktops?

> it's easier than install from sources:

No. For clarity, DO *NOT* DO THIS.

Do NOT put desktops on servers, **ESPECIALLY** servers that might potentially be exposed to the public internet.

The more code there is, the more holes there are. Even if it's not running, it's there to be exploited. It's using disk even if it's not using RAM. Don't.

Learn the admin tools. Or put your own on and run it over Ansible or something. But don't put a GUI on it.

Which GUI doesn't matter. _Any_ GUI. It does not need it.

If you need to use the console, put Tmux and GPM and Tilde and MC on it.

Re: "if it's got the word 'blockchain' in it, it's bollocks."

> whether it's a passing remark. Liam?

Ah right. I see. My bad.

ZeroNet and Logos are included as examples of what _not_ to do: pointlessly overengineered and overcomplicated solutions from people more interested in selling a particular tech than actually understanding the underlying problem and addressing that.

So, absolutely typical for the 21st century computer industry.

No they are not included. I hope they never will be.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

The internet already _is_ decentralised. We just need ownership and what we could dub "self-serving" ;-) to be much much more widespread.

Re: Desktops?

> That seems a very opinionated choice of desktop to offer!

*Wry laugh*

Probably some GNOME employee wanted to "improve the experience." Because everything is better with GNOME.

There's a chap on Reddit at the moment whose Ubuntu box keeps dying. Out of RAM. Swap (16GB) full.

It's the GNOME Javascript interpreter...

MX Linux 25.1 brings back switchable init systems

Re: Why?

> Can someone give an example of a use case for rebooting to use systemd occasionally, and sysv usually?

Sure. NVIDIA drivers.

At least some of them won't install if they can't find systemd, but once they are installed they work perfectly fine without it.

My elderly Thinkpads' GPUs aren't supported any more, but what I did several times a few versions ago was:

1. Get new nVidia driver.

2. Try to install it: won't, because no systemd.

3. Reboot, pick Advanced Options, pick systemd option

4. Install nVidia driver.

5. Reboot with systemd, check it is working.

6. All good? Reboot as normal with trad init. Driver continues to work quite happily.

I have seen this behaviour in other apps too, things that are not packaged for the distro. (This does not apply to Snaps because snapd requires systemd.) Systemd is just a given now, and the install routine checks for it and bails out if it can't find it.

This is I think why MS hired Lennart "Agent P" Poettering: to integrate systemd into WSL2 --

https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/24/systemd_windows_linux_microsoft/

Result: it works _exactly the same._ But...

There are many clueless newbs who are building stacks on Docker and whatnot, and have zero clue what to do when the "systemctl start foo" command they copied-and-pasted off Stack Overflow doesn't work. They have no more clue what "systemctl" means or does than a chimpanzee knows what the quadratic formula is, but they are deploying stores on the live web these days.

Now WSL2 has systemd and it works.

MX booted in systemd mode ticks the boxes and things install. Then you can just reboot and ignore it.

Mozilla starts offering RPMs of Firefox Nightly

> Well, until they brought out the hammer and their dick.

Well, yes, and I know the post you allude to.

https://mastodon.social/@TheZeldaZone/114082180124431864

But JustTheBrowser shows a simple automatic way to turn the junk off, and it would not be that hard for distro-mongers to integrate JtB and deliver a de-crappified Firefox...

Re: Not for Red Hat's benefit

> Not for Red Hat's benefit

I am not suggesting that any distro is going to adopt Nightly directly.

What I am in fact saying is that for the Debian packages, it went:

1. the Nightly build

2. an APT repo

3. Stable versions, as native packages, direct from the repo

For RPM versions, 1 and 2 were done at once. This suggests to me that #3 will follow sooner than it did for Debian packages. _That_ is the thing that would help downstream distros. _Not_ Nightly.

> Firefox has one function these days: to download LibreWolf.

https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/19/just_the_browser/

Just the Browser claims to tame the bloat without forking

Re: Wow

> overwrites Firefox's unwanted-by-me function code with zero

Trouble is -- that's _extremely_ malware-like behaviour. That'd trigger all sorts of protection systems.

Which leads us back to code forks and alternate browsers... And what this is trying to avoid.