Posts by CowHorseFrog 4277 publicly visible posts • joined 27 Feb 2023
eel: It has cost us $200bn or more so far in our proxy war with Russia and propping up the Kiev regime. If
cow: How much will it cost to increase military spending because Russia remains an active hot threat for another 50 years ?
How much did the cold war cost because the west didnt take out Stalin in 45 ?
Peter: The problem with the current war is that remote control aircraft with even a light RPG strapped to the front is capable of killing a MBT if it hits it in various locations.
cow:Problem ?
War isnt about playing by rules that are convenient...
Im simply pointing out the era of tanks has passed, there are new weapons.
The chinese hate the Russians. They really really want their northern lands which they lost in the unequal treaties over a 100 years ago to the RUssian Czar.
One day the chinese will take those lands probably by flooding the land with chinese migrants, because China is just as corrupt but very patient - they know their limits and they also know their corruption makes them a paper tiger.
eel: That's a very big bet you're making with other cities lives. Especially when Russian missiles like RS-24 Yars and Topol have a 10,000km+ range and are solid fuelled.
cow:
The last 5 Satan missiles with their 18000 range have all failed, with the best flight recording under 40km.
If theres one thing recent years have shown is how terrible Russians are for taking care of their military. We have all seen how their carrier required a tug to follow it because it was constantly breaking down. Thats just for starters.
eel: and are solid fuelled.
cow: Solid fuels are very very toxic and corrossive and damaging. I think its fair to say Russians have probably let these same fuelds rot and destroy most of their missile motors. THe last launch at Pletovsk (sp( has shown yet again this very simple fact to be true.
Nukes also require helium 3 which has a half life of 12ish years, and requires constant replacement. Whats the best those magnificent Russians have not done this so basically their nuke warheads are also probably dead.
A lot of care is necessary and required to keep missiles in good health, if theres one thing recent hyears have taught us, Russias are not careful at all, they are just too stupid to be careful.
Today the greatest savior of Putin is America, preventing UKR from using superior western weapons.
We can also see that Putin is buying time and hoping that if Trump wins support will be removed from UKR. Its the only chance he has, and he only has to wait 2 months for the elections and winter to start when the war will hibernate.
I never claimed there are or were wonder weapons, you are the extremist who takes every thing to the extreme. I never mentioned anything remote like the concept of a wonder weapon, i simply stated these superior western weapons would greatly help.
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eel: And yet the 'jokers' are winning. One sad thing is the way this confict is pretty much mirroring another one lead by a bunch of genocidal nationalists, right down to the 'Steiner' moments, pointless offensives in Kursk (again) and praying for miraculous wunderwaffe to save the day. Or just blame the West if or when Ukraine finally recognises the reality on the ground.
cow: Russian hat again ?
James: I don't see how anyone can look at what the USN did in the Pacific and say that the US let everyone else do the fighting.
cow: I originally said the USA is always last. THe USA was a world power before WW2, they had parity with the RN since the 1920s Washington conf.
Im not denying that USA did fight ive simply stated from the beginning a single statement, that the USA joins major fights LATE. 2 years late in ww2.
eel: What 'long range' missiles could we give Ukraine that they could actually use, and we haven't already given them?
cow: The west has developed many weapons and it has also given some of them to UKR. The reason UKR needs the ungiven weapons is the same reason the west developed and built stockpiles of those very weapons.
Options.
There are many other smaller arsenals near the border that could benefit UKR from being destroyed.
It also wouldnt hurt to send a few ATACMS to the KREMLIN in moscow just to show the RUssian people they are not the superior master race they think they are.
eel : And in other news, Russia had a failed launch of its RS-28 Sarmat. Wonder why Russia is testing those now?
cow: So fucking what.
Russia will never try and launch a hot one towards anyone because they know while they could maybe send a few to the west, they will receive 100x more back in return.
Russia also knows their systems are garbage, this is the 5th straight fail for Satan tests.
The worst thing the west can do is allow RUssia to blackmail them with exactly the actions you keep mentioning. Nobody wins if R wants to launch their missiles the will, no action short of a nuke strike from the west will change this. They need to be stopped blackmail never works. Secondly the west knows very well R missiles dont work, just like everything else in their military is a sad joke.
jell:
But the answer remains the same. Ukraine can't join NATO while there's an active territorial dispute, which there has been ever since the coup in 2014
cow:
Exceptions are made all the time, to treaties, if there was a will, NATO could give a deadline and allow Ukraine to join.
jell: But that was also one of the reasons for the coup, ie NATO wants Crimean for its own NATO base, not Russia.
cow: So what if they do ?
THe entire world would rather UKR had Crimea for any purpose rather than R. Nobody likes R, everybody in Central/Eastern EU hates the Russians.
jel: If so, and Russia can prove it, then Russia can strike back without triggering NATO's Article 5 because that state may have been the aggressor..
cow: Theres nothing stopping America from changing the rules, and everyone else in NATO will follow. We saw it in IQ and AF, America "wrote" their own rules and "encouraged" enough UN countries to "FOLLOW" them.
Jellie: Yours is an absurd response. I've asked this question a few times. What 'long range' missiles are we expected to give to Ukraine, and what exactly do they intend to do with them?
cow: Ukraine would take out all the other arsenals , bridges, refineries and more within range of UKR just like they are trying their best to do so now.
EDS: Acting in one own's country's (perceived) self interest is not implicitly 'yellow'.
cow: Bullshit.
Nobody including the USA could have benefitted from a madman like Hitler who unfortunately was also scientifically advanced with many advanced weapons.
It was only a q of time before Hiter would have threatened USA, which he eventually did anyway.
The real answer is America was yellow and hoped others would fight and drain Germany.
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EDS: It should perhaps also be noted that the US didn't actually declare war on Germany; rather, Germany declared war on the US. However, this occurred after the US had, in taking actions supportive of the UK/Allies, stretched the definition of neutrality to beyond what it could reasonably be.
cow: The word yellow perfectly summarises this.
Even When Germany was occupied in a massive war with UK and USSR, America took a long time before it had the balls to actually make a formal declaration.
EDS:
Australia, Canada, New Zealand and South Africa were all Dominions, so linked closely to the UK ('the mother country'), there was no such constitutional link between the US and the UK.
COW:
The UK didnt have a constitution back then and doesnt have one now...so your claim is completely bogus.
https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/constitution/
> A constitution is the set of principles and rules by which a country is organised and it is usually contained in one document. In the UK a constitution has never been codified in this way; instead, the various statutes, conventions, judicial decisions and treaties which, taken together, govern how the UK is run are referred to collectively as the British Constitution.
Society doesnt need an endless supply of money.
You dont appreciate that the quest for money does not produce happiness. Look at america, supposedly the greatest gdp, and yet they cant afford to give any benefits to citizens.
WHere is the free healthcare, or increased paid holiday rights, or parental leave ?
The economy observations are all bullshit numbers on paper, they are not about people, and we are all people.
Look at recent economies, housing is a failure and always increasing at rates far greater than increases in salaries. The economy is not serving the people. its enslaving them.
The more people in big cities and "economies" chase their careers the more of their life they are lose, time is taken from them... How many Americans cant afford housing or food and yet the economy is supposedly getting better and better if you believe all the graphs and powerpoints. Its a dumb race, idiots participate in it beliving that they are winning.
Every day America is sounding more and more like Authoritarian dictatorships.
Today the article only mentions the CEO by name and treats the workers like cattle, which is precisely how Putin is glorified in Russia. Another similarity is how the media almost never blames or questions the leadership, they are both trying to hammer into the people to accept their fate. Both countries are always super patriotic ,flags everywhere, they always talk about loving their country...
Just like a dictatorship its always what the leadership wants and never what is good for the people, no the leadership is always right if you listen to the media, even when they are wrong they are always right.
You fail to look at the big picture.
Companies like AMZN are destroying many million sof Americans because of their poor wages and conditions. THere are real consequences when so many people are treated like this. This is why America has a crime problem, because of the lower classes being treated soo poorly for so long, they become the criminals of tomorrow. Hardly a shock America has all those gangs, given what happened in the past.
Other western countries do have the same level of extremist poor treatment and they are far more peaceful.
Nothing is free, what goes round comes round.
Chris: b.1) Just limiting ourselves to present-day capabilities and bases, Taiwan to the adjacent coastal region of China is roughly 250km and South Korea to the adjacent coastal region is around 415km.
cow: F22 only has a range of 1000kms. So a roundtrip from SK to China is 830km that barely leaves 5 mins of loiter time. If the F22 did try and have a dog fight it would nt have enough fuel to get home.
Chris: Even if air-air refuelling wasn't an option, then both of those distances are within the publically stated combar radii of several land-based fighters such as the F-22
Cow: Thats right they only have enough fuel to fly there and back, theres no time for anything else.
Chris: Even if air-air refuelling wasn't an option, then both of those distances are within the publically stated combar radii of several land-based fighters such as the F-22.
cow: Refueling ?
A F22 and an airtanker is close several hundred million.
THen theres the problem of mating both planes and flying significantly slower during the refuel, posing a significant easier/larger target.
Why would you risk all that money and people when you fire dozens more missiles .
chris: b.3) Still hypothesising, who's to say we're even talking about flight distances to the *present day* borders of Chinese airspace?
cow: The western world only has two enemies that really count, Russia and China.
Who else is there ?
Both are large countries, technical superiority and stealth dont help, because of range problem.
There is no-one else to dog-fight, thats a fact.
Feel free too share with me who exactly is the F35 going to dog fight today or tomorrow ?
iaint: This argument is silly.
cow: Because you are an authority and your opinion is fact ?
How about you give actual reasons instead of demanding your opinion is right because.
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spartacus: Had Putin believed that Russian weapons were rubbish
cow: The answer to WHY Putin believed he would be successful is also answered my observation that its all about perceptions and beliefs and not based on facts.
I have answered this in another post a week or so back, Putin believed UKR would not fight and simply surrender, just like they did nothing when Russia took Crimea.
His arrogance was that he never guessed UKR would fight and he never thought there was a chance that his Russian military would be tested.
Again its all about perceptions not actually measuring or testing the reality of his true strengths or weaknesses. Its all mind games.
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spartacus: Storm Shadow / SCALP are 20 years old (though they've had updates), and are being replaced with a new system in the next couple of years. That's the latest cruise missile we've given. There are plenty of more modern ones, but again more expensive, more tech to give away fewer spare, and low production rates.
cow: So what if they are ? F22 are also 20+ years old. These things take time. Nobody is going to deploy a brand new untested major weapon just to be shamed. Even Putin knows this just look at the T14 tank - new and no show, because it would be even more shameful to see it fail.
chris: You're ignoring the equally forseeable situations where the US (and BTW, unless we've time-jumped back to the 1940's then the F-22 would be wearing USAF, not USAAF, markings...) is attempting to penetrate Chinese airspace after China has set up something for which IT controls the off switch.
cow: Removing markings from a plane doesnt change the basic fact that fighters do not have the range required to fly from JP or TW to china, destroy some targets and fly.
Stop talking shit, the problem with fighters is not stealth its range.
chris: To take your Hollywood comment - whilst most people might just think of Top Gun as being a work of film-making fiction, being aware that the US actually DOES have a real Top Gun training programme, and understanding what led them to set it up, might in turn help in understanding why it's so dangerous to dismiss things as being of no value in future wars.
cow: yes i know that, that doesnt change the fact that its all a big show for nothing.
ChrisC: No, the reason for the lack of dogfights over Ukraine is more due to the nature of that particular war,
cow: Nature ?
Basically NO dogfights over Iraq 1 or 2, None over Afghanistan, None in Ukraine and barely a few in the Falklands.
There will never be a dogfight between Russia and NATO or USA and China, because they will be firing missiles.
So who exactly is going to do dogfights ?
If you are big enough to have a reasonable Air forec you probbably have missiles which would do a better job. Thats the reality.
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Chris:
in particular the limited capability Ukraine has for suppressing Russian surface to air threats, combined with the number/capability of those surface to air systems that Russia is able to field.
cow: Exact;y so why would there ever be dogfights ?
Unfortunately you have over simplfied how software works.
Most software doesnt become popular because its best in class, eg Facebook is not the best social media platform from a technical perspective.
Redis as you infer simply wants all the money for their code. The value in the project is not the code its the mindshare and public visibility that is now has. There are probably better redis equivalents out there, that we simply dont know and yet by luck Redis became popular and they are unknown.
Even if AMZN did contribute a lot of code, that doesnt matter because it was never about how much or little anyone contributed, its about the money for their mindshare nothing more and nothing less.
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