"there wasn't much pure hobby programming like that going"
There was on Commodores and Sinclairs (and others) - just there was no easy internet to publish them, and sometimes you had to type code copied form printed lists from magazines....
I used also a Commodore Plus 4 that with all its defects compared to the 64 had a machine language monitor - which I used to learn and the code using 6502 assembly, circa .1984...
The "web era guys" keep on reinventing the wheel - just in more complex ways - a ruby script that invokes a python that calls a shells that run a script that calls an executable that runs a java application that creates a javascript that calls a REST API that calls a ruby script....