I can guarantee the second sentence
Until a couple years ago I owned a business with a merchant account, and looked into this when it became able to accept NFC transactions. The banks eat Apple's 0.15% fee.
There are different rates for different cards (i.e. Amex transactions cost you more than Visa/MC do, which is why mostly only those places that get a lot of business travel or 1%ers are willing to accept Amex) but there is no difference in merchant fees for using the same card depending on whether Apple Pay was used or not.