Reply to post: Re: Thanks to the Vaxxed

Re: Thanks to the Vaxxed

Any argument you might make around vaccine safety versus going unvaccinated is null and void, because the risk is overwhelmingly worse for being unvaccinated - for either your selfish self, or for anyone you ever come into contact with.

I.. see. So basically get vaccinated, or else. Would that be herd mentality, or herd immunity?

If the latter, well, it's not really working, ie people who have been vaccinated have also been catching covid and being hospitalised. But selling booster jabs will apparently fix this. If not, well, the vaccine producers aren't liable.

But what about risk? We're about to conduct experiments on school kids. They want the jabs. Or their parents want their kids jabbed. Or teachers. Or vaccine company's sales VPs. But the risk to kids from covid is extremely low, whereas the risk from the vaccine is unknown.

But that's a general issue. People often aren't good at understanding risk, especially when data and propaganda haven't been great. So the good'ol 'case' counts that simply counted test results rather than whether people were ill from covid or not. Especially when cycle counts for PCR tests were set too high, so tests were too sensitive. Filter through that noise and it becomes clearer who the at risk groups were, ie the elderly, obese and some other pre-existing conditions. And if you're generally fit & healthy, the low risk of covid infection's balaned against the risk of say, myocarditis from being vaccinated.

But then there are other policy problems. So unvaccinated people are becoming second class citizens, and denied various things. Get jabbed if you want to keep your job. Get jabbed if you want to travel. Get jabbed if you don't want Bath University's 'unclean' wristband.

Of course if people have already been vaccinated, then they're safe. It's the unvaccinated that are taking the risk. So if they get ill, it's their problem, not the vaccinated.. Oh, except the vaccine isn't a magic bullet, and being vaccinated could actually increase the risk (ADE). Or Bath's policy may also need a short-sleeves mandate so wristbands are visible at all times. Failing that, there's always badges so the vaccinated can keep at least 2m from the unclean.

Or there's some other boring science stuff. Like if you've already had covid, and recovered, you'll have antibodies. That's basic immune system stuff, and potentially means you're better protected than someone who's just been vaccinated. So why would someone with natural immunity need a jab? Other than policy, and perhaps a lack of antibody testing..

But that's also an issue with fake vaccination claims given the only way to really understand if someone has been vaccinated (or developed natural immunty) is to look for the antibodies. But that would be a GoodThing(tm) because it would help assess vaccines effectiveness, and an idea of the spread of natural immunity. There will be millions of people who've had covid without realising it, so unlikely to have been tested and become a 'case'.