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Re: Rent a mob

These conspiracy theories are coming thick and fast now. Why do you think this was organised by foreign agents using paid provocateurs?

Firstly, i'm not American.

The answer simply is a study of history. There are two ways for a great power to go down. First is being torn apart by external threats, however external threats are the most effective way of binding together disparate groups ever discovered and completely destroying a nation state through external force is both quite difficult and exceedingly expensive. It rarely happens on anything resembling a peer basis. Even when it has happened, it's been rather expensive in lives and money; see Germany during WW2 slowly getting worn down under 3 major empires (American, British & Russian)

Pretty much every other nation has basically fallen into internal collapse; the Roman empire is the classic case (Gibbons the Rise & Fall of the Roman Empire) though if you go studying history you'll find innumerable cases of it happening from then up until the collapse of the Soviet Union.

With the advent of Nuclear Weapons direct conflict is outright impossible. Even if it wasn't and we fought a huge way today then the cost would be well above the trillion range, probably into quadrillions. Warfare is for the most part just too expensive now.

Instead you get proxy wars, and historically the Soviet Union tried funding and equipping terrorist groups to blow things/people up in an incredibly crude method of trying to break down societal bonds in an open society. That is known, admitted and is relatively uncontroversial these days. But what would have Soviet Union have done had they have had the internet to play with and the same aims?

You'll note the Soviet Union collapsed internally, ending that cold war. It probably hasn't escaped anybodies attention that America is now in the process of going the same way.

So assume that you were set the task of encouraging the west to break down today: How would you go about it?

Anybody with at least an average IQ ought to be able to come up with a few ideas pretty easily. Then think; is there any evidence that a nation state is using those techniques?

So yeah, i'd quite like to see the USA grab every one of the anarchists infesting it's streets that can be identified and go through their entire lives with a fine tooth comb to see what can be found, because personally I think the results would be interesting.

And even if not, then banging up people who think it's cool to turn peaceful protests into riots would be well worth it for it's own sake simply to enable peaceful protest again.