back to article UK consortium bid for NHS data platform falls at first hurdle

A UK consortium bid for the NHS Federated Data Platform — an ongoing competition worth up to £480 million ($595 million) — has fallen at the first hurdle. According to the Health Service Journal, the consortium — which included Voror Health Technologies, Eclipse and Black Pear — was told it had not passed the first stage of …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I wonder what they found to fail the bid on…suspect it was their answers to the questions about working with the NHS Digital’s existing (US HQ’d) data partner….

    From the bias in NHS Digital and government, they would have been an outsider, without EU supervision I expect they will award to their existing US partner…then blame UK industry for being too small etc.

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Facepalm

      This consortium probably haven't mastered the appropriate nods and winks required to open doors.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Nope.....Nods And Winks Are Insufficient.......

        @Fruit_and_Nutcase

        The "key" to opening doors is shaped like a Fortnum's shopping bag.

        Of course, if the bag is empty it has none of the appropriate Fortnum's magic.......

        .....but on the other hand if it is full to overflowing with "folding"..............

        1. anothercynic Silver badge

          Re: Nope.....Nods And Winks Are Insufficient.......

          Appropriately hidden in a 'carry on case'. Don't forget that. You wouldn't want to be seen anywhere near Westminster with a Fortnum's bag, otherwise everyone knows the jig is up.

          1. Snowy Silver badge
            Joke

            Re: Nope.....Nods And Winks Are Insufficient.......

            Plain brown envelops are far more traditional :)

      2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        This consortium probably doesn't have the browsing history and chat logs of all the cabinet ministers like Palantir does

    2. alain williams Silver badge

      "first hurdle"

      They prolly failed due to absence of, or too small, brown envelopes to the right people.

      1. hoola Silver badge

        Re: "first hurdle"

        It will be pre-qualification waffle in the tender that is effectively making this a one-horse race.

        All above board in the loosest possible sense but is one of the ways to use a rigid tender process to get the desired outcome.

        Been there too many times.......

      2. Woodnag

        Re: "first hurdle"

        Palantir has probably already been given the contract, as part of the earlier deal. And has full data access already.

        1. LateAgain

          Re: "first hurdle"

          So, same as a "public consultation" then.

    3. FatGerman

      >> I wonder what they found to fail the bid on

      It didn't have the word 'Palantir' in it.

    4. steviebuk Silver badge

      "So Dave. In the scoring you gave them 1. Is there a reason? Would YOU change your 1 to a 5? Like everyone else? Would you?"

  2. sebacoustic

    Another brick in the wall

    ..or whatever metaphor is most useful for this: the process of the Tories hollowing-out of the NHS to the point where they can say "well it's so f***d we might as well replace it... oh whaddoyouknow i happen to have some friends who are happy to invest in a privatised health system!".

    1. TimMaher Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: Another brick in the wall

      Good choice of music @sebacoustic.

      I was humming “21st. Century schizoid man” myself.

      “Neurosurgeons scream for more!”

      Have a beer.

  3. Spanners Silver badge
    Childcatcher

    Shrinking Window

    The Conservatives really need to get their act together.

    We know when the next election will be and, unless all those pretend "newspapers" change their mind, a lot of very entitled people are going to be getting their P45s.

    I suspect that more than a few have already decided not to stand.

    The more time passes, the closer we get to this and if the NHS still exists, they will be able to fix it. Yes, the media will howl. Diplomatic words will be said on behalf of large US corporations that had really hoped to make additional fortunes here. Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025, they are stuffed...

    (I suppose the same could be said about everything from the BBC to our road system as well.)

    1. Jedit Silver badge
      Stop

      "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

      ... Labour will do it.

      I don't know how much attention you've been paying to Keith's band of Tory lite non-entities, but shadow Health Secretary Wes "McShitter" Streeting has stated that privatisation of the NHS is the way to go. I am sure this has nothing to do with the large donations from private health care companies that accidentally fell into his pockets.

      1. moonhaus

        Re: "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

        "Streeting has stated that privatisation of the NHS is the way to go"

        He's said no such thing. You sound like a tory troll. :-)

        1. anothercynic Silver badge

          Re: "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

          Exactly. He pointed out that private companies have a place in the NHS (and to a degree they do), but he most definitely did *not* say that privatisation was the way to go.

          And @JEdit doesn't sound like a Tory troll, but rather a Momentum Kool-Aid consumer. And the fact that neither Momentum nor the 'middle ground' Labour factions (described by Momentum as 'Tory lite') can get over themselves and their differences and stand as one against the scourge that is the Tories, I fear that at the next election, the Tories might lose ground, but won't lose enough to not be in power for another 5 years.

          So, to @JEdit: Tell your Momentum mates to get over the Corbyn snub and stand for Labour in *all* its forms, whether they be 'right-wing' (and believe me, they are anything but compared to the ass hats currently in charge) or your chums on the far left. Better yet, make a pact with the Greens, the Lib Dems and the SNP and wipe the Tories out.

          Political rant over.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

            To me the current Labour party aren't a great deal different from the Tories, they feel like 70% Tory and sadly the worst 70% and the other 30% seem to be the worst of Labour.I don't like Crobyn or agree with him but at least he was different. The Labour party are too concerned by what's popular rather than sticking to their beliefs and trying to persuade people they're right.

            What we need is a genuine alternative to the Tory government.

            1. anothercynic Silver badge

              Re: "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

              Yes, a genuine alternative *is* what we need, but we all know that unless you have the gossip/gutter/snipe rags that make up the majority of the British print press on board, you are not getting anywhere. And neither do you get anywhere when you don't have sensible policies that would actually survive contact with reality (see how well the crazy policies cooked up by La Truss with her chancellor held up with same said contact: note to the reader, they didn't, they spooked the markets and cost the country dear and La Truss and the chancellor their jobs).

              Blair did a deal with the devil (i.e. said gutter/snipe rags) so he had a chance to win. And, as much as it may rankle the far left/socialist/communist contingent in the Labour Party, it bloody worked for the better part of 15 years, where services improved to a large degree, human rights and equality improved, and people were generally not unhappy.

              Then came 2008 and thanks to infighting inside Labour, it didn't go so well. And it's not gone so well since. And until Labour pulls up its socks and says "ok, we agree to disagree, but we all know our true enemy is not each other but that horrid party in power ruining our economy, our reputation and our way of life, let's stick together", you can be guaranteed that the party of Victorian liars, cheats, frauds, charlatans and wannabes *will* win the next election.

              1. FatGerman

                Re: "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

                Ask almost any doctor and they'll tell you the Blair years were the golden era of the NHS. There's a difference between knowing how to win an election and being an asshole.

                1. seldom

                  Re: "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

                  Are these doctors old enough to have been working before Blair started to to destroy the NHS in earnest?

                  A lot of experienced doctors left the NHS after his first round of "improvements" and one of them told me that his policies made Thatcher look like a fairy godmother (unless you were a Consultant).

                  1. midgepad

                    Old enough, yes

                    Old enough.

                    I've not heard ex-colleagues saying golden age, I have heard us saying saved, rescued, repaired.

                    Modernising Medical Careers was an impressive fuckup. I'd see sources for blaming Blair, or indeed Labour for it. It lead to Wueenslsnd's healthcare system being approximately fully recruited, and then a while later to there being a supply of spare ex-NHS executives offering themselves there, and being rejected.

                    And then there was the early chaos of the (Tory) Lansley plan.

            2. FatGerman

              Re: "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

              The power of the Labour movement has always been about the strength of powerless people in large groups. All that this infighting does is split the large group into multiple small ones, rendering it powerless. It's almost as if Keith is a Tory stooge.

              1. seldom

                Re: "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

                The power of the Labour movement has always been used to be about the strength of powerless working people in large groups. All that this infighting does is split the large group into multiple small ones, rendering it powerless. It's almost as if Keith is a Tory like His Tonyness stooge. FTFY

            3. Jedit Silver badge
              Headmaster

              "the current Labour party aren't a great deal different from the Tories"

              Exactly; they're not different and they're not an alternative. Can anyone actually name a Labour policy that isn't "the Tories aren't doing this Tory thing enough, Labour will do it better"? I can't. Starmer is exclusively trying to appeal to Tory voters because he believes that left leaning voters have nowhere else to go. It's a mistake that Scottish Labour made ten years ago and he hasn't learned from it. Indeed, he's actively driving the left wing out of the party. He may be elected simply because people are sick enough of the Tories, but not on his own merit. And courting Tories is a mistake, because they will not swing no matter what he promises. Not only do they know that the Tories actually will do what Labour are only promising to do, they know that Starmer has made false promises before to be elected as Labour leader and dropped them the instant it became convenient - so what's stopping him doing that again?

              @anothercynic - please do not make the mistake of thinking I'm Momentum or even Labour-affiliated. I am not. Corbyn is a decent man, but that isn't the same as being a good leader. He should have been more ruthless; everyone in the Chicken Coup, which included Starmer, should have been expelled from the party. The media were comparing him to Stalin anyway so he wasn't exactly going to hurt his image by doing it. But he didn't, because he is a decent guy who accepts differences in opinion and tries to form a broad church, and it cost him. The establishment saw him as a threat because he challenged the status quo from which they benefit greatly, so they monstered him and libelled him. In that they had the full cooperation of the Labour right because they also don't want to change anything, they do not a better society, they do not want a broad church, they only want to be in charge of the establishment and get the benefits.

          2. James Anderson

            Re: "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

            As a life long lefty, I despair of the left.

            Socialism has been taken over by zealots who would rather an evil right wing government stayed in power rather than compromise their "principles".

            Mild democratic socialism works. Communism does not.

            1. anothercynic Silver badge

              Re: "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

              Bingo.

            2. Citizen of Nowhere

              Re: "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

              What was that slogan popular on the outside left back in the day? "Vote Labour with no illusions." Whatever one's differences are with the current Labour leadership, the Labour Party is infinitely preferable to have in government to the current clowns. Even the least perspicacious occupants of the Labour benches look like towering intellectual giants when you survey what's on the other side of the dispatch box.

              1. werdsmith Silver badge

                Re: "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

                Infinitely preferable until they’ve been in power a few years. UK desperately needs a credible opposition. Instead we’ve got the Labour Party.

                Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. Don’t get fooled again.

            3. Jedit Silver badge
              FAIL

              "Socialism has been taken over by zealots"

              No it hasn't, unless you consider "wanting anything resembling a left wing policy" to be zealotry. Nobody on the left wants the Tories in power. Five more years of the Tories will destroy this country, if indeed it can even be saved now. But five years of Red Tories pretending to be Labour won't just destroy the country - it will validate the Blairite/Starmerite claim that elections can only be won by going to the right, and it will remove any force in British politics that would even try to rebuild what has been ruined.

              The choice in the next General Election is not between Tories and Labour. It's between Tories now or Tories forever.

            4. Roj Blake Silver badge

              Re: "Unless the conservatives finish hollowing out and selling off the NHS by January 2025"

              With the possible exception of the state broadband policy, everything in the 2019 Labour manifesto was mild democratic socialism. Pretty much everything in it would not have been out of place in one of Angela Merkel's manifestos.

  4. Tron Silver badge

    Not enough Tories on the payroll.

    Learn2tender.

  5. Big_Boomer Silver badge

    Bare faced corruption

    Ooooooh look, yet another corrupt non-competitive tender competition that was already decided even before the tender was fully written. What a huge surprise to find that the Tories are behind it all but then as soon as you sense that stench of corruption, there's almost always a Tory behind it. And before the usual rabid-righties start spouting off about how much worse the country would be under Labour, I disagree. It would be EXACTLY as bad but in different ways. Time for a serious change in how we elect our government to try to put an end to extremist governments!

    1. hoola Silver badge

      Re: Bare faced corruption

      There is also a need to get rid of all these tendering frameworks and completely bent criteria that favour the select few of useless mega-companies.

      Public Sector tendering had been broken for decades in the quest for "better value". The outcome has been increasingly worse value.

    2. john.w

      Re: Bare faced corruption

      It is the civil service who write and run the tender process. Politicians of any variety don't get a look in on this lucrative directorship generating opportunity.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Bare faced corruption

        As someone who used to work in government, I'd like to point out that civil servants don't just appear out of nowhere. Promotion is usually very difficult unless you happen to agree (or at least appear to agree) with your department's key policies. Otherwise you find yourself working somewhere less palatable rather quickly - unless you can keep your head down until a change in the political winds, that is...

  6. spold Silver badge

    I feel better already

    Horor Health Technologies, Eclipse and Black Pear - what's not to love we just need Gang Green Consulting or something.....

  7. scrubber

    Bang Those Pots

    Palantir. Palantir? Where have I not been allowed to hear that name again?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    For sale, cheap!

    Must sell.

    Moving overseas.

  9. MrGreen

    Money Making and Control

    Palantir will win because those making the decisions have loads of shares in the company which will shoot up in value when the contract is awarded.

    Also, Palantir proved during COVID how quickly they can pass your data to the police so you get a knock at the door. Government love this level of control.

  10. Zzxap

    I'm not involved with IT (but I like some of the light hearted stuff from the Register.) What interests me is I have invested in Palantir so have them set as a Google Feed topic. The Reg is the only site that mentions them. So with the greatest will in the world most of this stuff is going on unnoticed by the general public

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Obligatory "WTF - again"

    For the amount of money being thrown about you could form a company, government owned, that open sourced the whole ****ing processes.

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