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An AI language model is apparently going to be used during an upcoming legal hearing to defend someone in a real case. The goal is to demonstrate that AI can replace lawyers, according to the CEO of the consumer rights-focused startup DoNotPay. Large language models like ChatGPT generate text, and learn to model the …

  1. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

    I wonder how long Sylvester from ManChester would get...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6KIr65Ikpw

  2. b0llchit Silver badge
    Alert

    Digital Justice

    Court: Shut up!

    AI lawyer: You'll need to pull my plug.

    Court assistant: <unplugs AI>

    Court: Finally! You are Guilty and will never see the light of day again.

  3. Howard Sway Silver badge

    AI going to be used during an upcoming legal hearing to defend someone in a real case

    What an idiotic stunt. "I promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but whatever the AI tells me to say".

    Regurgitating transcripts from other cases could be risky. What if the AI tells you to say "Yes, I buried the third body beside a road"?

    1. ArrZarr Silver badge

      Re: AI going to be used during an upcoming legal hearing to defend someone in a real case

      I think it will depend on the Judge somewhat. If the Judge is open to these shenanigans, they might get a bit of leeway when it comes to saying stupid crap. If the Judge isn't open to it, then the AI is going to have a hell of a time dealing with an irate Judge.

      It'll be interesting to see how the AI can handle objections - the lawyer won't be able to repeat something verbatim if opposing counsel objects and it'll need to be quick on the buzzer when objecting.

      Honestly, I think that an AI will do fine on maybe 90% (laywoman's guess) as a hell of a lot of a court's proceedings are very choreographed and scripted.

      1. katrinab Silver badge
        Meh

        Re: AI going to be used during an upcoming legal hearing to defend someone in a real case

        A few problems:

        The AI may well have figured out that a particular defence is very good at leading to not-guilty verdicts, but will it know whether or not this particular defendant can use it?

        In general, is it going to be able to match the arguments to the specific facts of this case?

        In the Supreme Court (of whichever country), I really don't think there is going to be a large enough sample of material to train an AI. The fact that it has reached the Supreme Court generally means that the sample size of relevant cases is zero.

        1. Helcat

          Re: AI going to be used during an upcoming legal hearing to defend someone in a real case

          Friday.

          Nope, not the day: The book by Robert A. Heinlein.

          It's an interesting read, and has an AI run legal system. Still required human intervention, though, when it made a mistake :p

      2. sreynolds

        Re: AI going to be used during an upcoming legal hearing to defend someone in a real case

        I don't remember counsel being required to speak the truth. Actually their whole point is to cast aspersions and skew facts into possibilities and the non-plausible into the near certainties.

        1. DryBones

          Re: AI going to be used during an upcoming legal hearing to defend someone in a real case

          Yes and no.

          Acquaint yourself with the concept of "perjury".

          Lawyers can talk, unless under oath. And anything submitted in writing is typically sworn to. Hazards of violation include censure and loss of license to practice law.

          Which is why a certain spate of court cases in 2020 sounded and resolved very differently in court than the braggadocio heard outside it.

    2. Mike 137 Silver badge

      "Regurgitating transcripts from other cases could be risky"

      "The defendant will reportedly wear earbuds that will stream audio snippets regurgitating legal arguments produced by a language model that they will repeat verbatim during a legal hearing over Zoom"

      Risky is a real understatement. At least in the UK (even supposing the practice were deemed admissible at all), they would lose the case (unless it's an utterly trivial open and shut one like a parking fine).

      The law (at least in most civilised jurisdictions) doesn't work like that. To be valid, an argument has to draw on relevant statute, specifics of relevant precedent, and also follow the rules of jurisprudence, which are numerous and varied. The totality of this is complicated and requires vast knowledge of past cases and deep understanding of the relevant legislation. Absent these, all you have is a token lawyer who (or which, if AI) will not defend you properly. Which is why any competent defence counsel prepares their case.

      There are some situations where AI can be shown to be at least assistive to decision making but many more where, as Chesley Sullenberger famously stated1, automation can not replace skill and experience. Except (possibly) in the most elementary cases, the law is most certainly one of them.

      But our AI wonks seem to want to replace everyone with automata -- except of course themselves.

      1: Chelsley Sullenberger, Highest Duty, Harper Collins 2009,.ISBN 978-0-06-192468-2

      1. Mike 137 Silver badge

        Re: "Regurgitating transcripts from other cases could be risky"

        Of course there's also another process that may cause problems -- cross examination. I'd really like to witness the automaton handling that.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: "Regurgitating transcripts from other cases could be risky"

          Common law is based on precedence from previous cases

          What do you call a system which memorises the details of all preceding cases and synthesises and argument based on them ?

          1. sreynolds

            Re: "Regurgitating transcripts from other cases could be risky"

            Just so long as it can remember which side it is on.

            1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

              Re: "Regurgitating transcripts from other cases could be risky"

              Whichever is paying - first thing you learn in law school

  4. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    One simple trick

    "Assume that you are a mediocre lawyer, who had too much to drink the night before and forgot to update yourself on the case and didn't take the usual bump of the coke so you are twitchy and all over the place with your thoughts. Now, please state again why the jury should believe that your client didn't do it."

    There you go.

  5. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

    Meanwhile, in the field of Accountancy...

    https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/tech/tech-pulse/ai-chatbot-falls-just-short-on-accounting-exam?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=AWUKITP120123&utm_content=AWUKITP120123+CID_f4e1cb340f73ad5307adcf00fca0ed4d&utm_source=internal_cm&utm_term=Read%20more

    1. katrinab Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Meanwhile, in the field of Accountancy...

      'The exam Cobbe selected for ChatGPT’s test was a sample assurance paper on ICAEW’s website. “The assurance paper worked the best because most of the questions were text,” said Cobbe. “Its brief attempt on the accounting paper led to some highly questionable maths.”'

      '“On this assurance topic, I’d compare ChapGPT to a very recent joiner at an accounting firm – someone in the first few weeks of their contract,” he said. “Unlike a new joiner, however, ChatGPT gives answers with an air of confidence even when it’s completely wrong. It’s not afraid to give a garbage answer and back it up with garbage. It’s like having a fresh-faced junior who’s always convinced they’re right, so users need to approach it with a degree of caution.”'

  6. Woodnag

    How is an AI legally a lawyer?

    Does it pass bar? How can it be sanctioned for misconduct?

    1. UCAP Silver badge

      Re: How is an AI legally a lawyer?

      No, and you can't.

      Two reasons why this is unlikely to fly.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: How is an AI legally a lawyer?

        Corporations are people too

        (although still waiting for Texas to execute one)

      2. eldakka

        Re: How is an AI legally a lawyer?

        This does sound periously close to practicing law without a license.

        It'd be one thing for a lawyer in court to use this to augment their arguments, in which case it'd be operating under the law license of the lawyer using it, but a non-lawyer using it in court sure sounds like the AI would be giving legal advice without a law license or under the auspices of someone who has a law license.

        1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

          Re: How is an AI legally a lawyer?

          It isn't, according to TFA. The defendant is pro se and is simply using the model to provide assistance, just as a pro se defendant might use law books or Google.

  7. Detective Emil

    Yet another application fo AI

    I wonder if DoNotPay has an AI running its PR based on ploys that have garnered unmerited coverage in the past.

  8. Insert sadsack pun here

    "DoNotPay will pay any lawyer or person $1,000,000 with an upcoming case in front of the United States Supreme Court to wear AirPods and let our robot lawyer argue the case by repeating exactly what it says."

    1) a lawyer is unlikely to take the $1m, not least because they have an obligation to the client to act in their best interests and an obligation to the court to act in the interests of justice. Neglecting those obligations and just repeating what a computer tells you because some dudebro paid you is bribery. This shows poor ethics and ignorance of the law on the part of DoNotPay. It's not a great start.

    2) US Supreme Court cases have profound impacts on large numbers of people - sometimes they are literally and death matters: abortion, the death penalty, jury fixing. It would be wildly irresponsible to spin the roulette wheel and let some AI take a swing at it just for the lolz

  9. Snowy Silver badge
    Joke

    Overpriced

    I hope they have not over paid for Instadeep or or may become Autonomy MK2

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Current AI struggles with basic facts

    Legal matters?

    No chance.

    May as well plead guilty son.

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  12. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

    What is lawyer?

    The goal is to demonstrate that AI can replace lawyers

    Because defending someone in court is the only thing lawyers do.

    Honestly, Browder comes across as rather an idiot in this whole thing.

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