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The UK's national broadcaster, the BBC, its R&D team and its entire 100-year, 15 million item archive are part of a new consortium investigating QNLP, Quantum Natural Language Processing, with the ultimate aim of automating the extraction of meaning from humanity's babble. "The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is …

  1. steelpillow Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Plus ca change

    Well, the AI will still pick up the misogyny, racism and dismissal of the disabled. But at least it will do so with a plummy "Gosh! I say! Cheerio and pip-pip!"

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Plus ca change

      Is this daytime tv we're talking about?

      1. TRT Silver badge

        Re: Plus ca change

        Daytime TV is a good place to pick up inane babble. And catchphrases. Lots and lots of catchphrases. Mind you if you take the repeated values out of the training set... you've not got that much left.

        1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
          Alert

          Re: Plus ca change

          Teletubbies!

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: Plus ca change

            ...then a quantum AI comes along with an analysis of the entirety if the Telletubies utterances and tells us it's finally found signs of intelligent life along with The Question to The Answer to Life, The Universe and Everything :-)

  2. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    And when IT works, what would/could you have IT do? Do You Think IT Would Listen and Comply?

    Hence QC will be staggeringly good at language – when it works.

    Is that a malingering doubt current researchers have, hindering Quantum Communication working for you, and for them too ‽ .

    There is certainly nothing preventing it helping itself to whatever wherever and whenever it wants, and what you may need to seed and feed to gain and maintain a future advantage over current failing forms of perception and reality management.

    1. Outski
      Pint

      Re: And when IT works, what would/could you have IT do? Do You Think IT Would Listen and Comply?

      I actually understood that more than the article

      Maybe I need more ----->

  3. captain veg Silver badge

    what the point is of daytime television at all

    The point of daytime TV is too make malingerers throwing a sickie want to go back to work. I thought this was well known.

    -A.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: what the point is of daytime television at all

      Daytime television is Pointless.

    2. MisterHappy

      Not just malingerers!!

      After 3 months I was begging my Dr for pain killers that would allow me to function but not be so strong that I couldn't work!

  4. Paul Kinsler

    physics [is] comprehensible; it follows patterns we are configured to exploit.

    Well, at least the physics we understand is comprehensible [1].

    But it's going to be a bit tricky to check if the physics we don't understand has any links with our languages. And since we can't check that, we may need to take care to avoid cart/horse ordering problems, if claiming some (comprehensible) physics is surprisingly good at understanding human language.

    AKA: physics as understood by a language using species apparently has deep links to the languages they use. Surprised?

    .

    [1] Tautology alert!

    1. LionelB Silver badge

      Re: physics [is] comprehensible; it follows patterns we are configured to exploit.

      Well, as a species we devised a language with the express purpose of expressing how we as a species perceive physics: it's called mathematics.

      Then we devised a language that expresses how the language we devised to express how we perceive physics should best be expressed: it's called mathematical logic.

      You know, we might be quite good at this.

      1. Eclectic Man Silver badge
        Boffin

        Re: physics [is] comprehensible; it follows patterns we are configured to exploit.

        There is a misconception regarding mathematics, physics and the comprehensibility of the universe. All of mathematics that survives is related either directly or indirectly to an attempt to understand and model the observed universe. The only mathematics and physics that survives are the ones which seem to explain something.

        However, that does not mean we understand the universe. Quantum mechanics has it that information cannot be destroyed, but relativity allows the destruction of information in black holes. These theories are immensely successful at describing their parts of the universe. Newtonian mechanics and calculus cannot, as yet, provide an analytic solution to the 'three body problem' of describing the paths of three gravitating objets travelling in Euclidean space. The sums of the inverse even powers of the positive integers is known for quite a few, but none for the inverse odd powers (except '1', which diverges to infinity) despite a lot of people trying.

        In a universe enslaved to cause and effect, any life form which can predict with better than random accuracy what is going to happen next will have an evolutionary advantage over the others which cannot (or which can but to a lesser extent). Maths and physics are just squiggles written down on paper (and displayed on computer screens) with some rules for manipulation the sometimes provide useful predictions or answers, but not always. Just because we can solve some problems does not mean every problem is soluble.

        But hey, It is nice to find an Einstein quotation he actually said.

        (Aside - there is an annoying trailer for a program on the BBC about Elon Musk in which a person says 'He's smarter than Einstein". I do so want to ask that person inquisition "Did you ever meet Einstein? Please explain his contributions to General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, or maybe just the Photovalic Effect? )

        1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

          Re: physics [is] comprehensible; it follows patterns we are configured to exploit.

          Methinks the terrifying problem for some who have abused and misused their inequitable command and control power leverage, feeling safe and secure in the vain thought that such would never be uncovered, and the excitement for others who have discovered and/or recovered the leading keys for the exercise of an absolute authority delivering an accountability for trailed actions, is their knowledge/opinion/realisation that any life form which can predict with better than random accuracy what is going to happen next will have both a revolutionary and evolutionary advantage over the others which cannot (or which can but to a lesser extent).

          And by their actions will you know the both of them, and which one is which, with one to be enthusiastically supported and the other one comprehensively spurned and excised from future situations/event negotiations.

          ’Tis only natural and logical and thus guaranteed inevitable and probable rather than it just being pondered on as maybe future possible, with the inevitable revolutionary evolutionary change arriving suddenly without any great prior warning in a series of fabulous flash crashes of exclusive elite executive systems of SCADA and mass multi media command and control of human perception ‽ .

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: physics [is] comprehensible; it follows patterns we are configured to exploit.

            I just want to know how you end up with a question and exclamation mark on top of each other (‽)..

            1. LionelB Silver badge

              Re: physics [is] comprehensible; it follows patterns we are configured to exploit.

              He's from Mars. Earthlings cannot do that. You may only copy'n'paste his superior typography.

        2. LionelB Silver badge

          Re: physics [is] comprehensible; it follows patterns we are configured to exploit.

          > The only mathematics and physics that survives are the ones which seem to explain something.

          For physics, yes; for mathematics not so much. Speaking as a mathematician, the only mathematics that survives is the mathematics that is not wrong. Which is not to say that all that mathematics is of interest, or actively researched at any given point in time. On the other hand, you don't want to second-guess whether some particular corner of mathematics may turn out to become very much of interest at some later point (possibly due to a physics tie-in). History is littered with examples, such as Riemannian Manifolds, once an arcane corner of geometry, which turned out to be just the right stuff for Relativity Theory. Another example (more pertinent to the article) is in fact Category Theory: for decades viewed by a large section of the mathematics community as towards the rarefied, formal, super-abstract if not anally-retentive end of the maths spectrum, only quite recently has it morphed1 into something actually useful, from pure maths to physics and beyond.

          > ... but relativity allows the destruction of information in black holes.

          Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe recent research has suggested that that may not necessarily be true.

          > Newtonian mechanics and calculus cannot, as yet, provide an analytic solution to the 'three body problem' of describing the paths of three gravitating objets travelling in Euclidean space. ... Just because we can solve some problems does not mean every problem is soluble.

          That raises the interesting question of what we think it means for a mathematical model to engender understanding of ("solve"? "explain"?) some aspect of the observed world. As a chaotic dynamical system, we can solve the Newtonian three-body problem computationally up to any given time horizon and specified numerical accuracy (given enough computation time, where "enough time" may be longer than the age of the universe). That model, it would seem, simply does not posses closed-form solutions. Which feels somewhat unsatisfactory... or does it? There is precedent in maths/physics where a phenomenon only turns out to be expressible in terms of a new conceptual construct which, with age, ripens into something that becomes part of our intuition - something that we are happy to incorporate in our understanding of "understanding". The example I have in mind is the introduction, and absorption into mainstream intuition, of complex numbers. Could chaotic dynamical systems - or, say, their characterisation by the topology of their attractors - perhaps become just such an expansion of what we understand by "understanding"?

          (Of course in pure mathematics/mathematical logic we can tie ourselves in wonderful knots about what seemingly fundamental and inviolable concepts such as "truth", "provability" and "computability" even mean.)

          > ... there is an annoying trailer for a program on the BBC about Elon Musk in which a person says 'He's smarter than Einstein'.

          Eek! (Musk's mother is quoted as saying that everyone admires her son but admitted no one would want to be him. She's right about the second part at least.)

          1 You see what I did there

          1. werdsmith Silver badge

            Re: physics [is] comprehensible; it follows patterns we are configured to exploit.

            Laplace, when talking about some of this stuff referred to “an intellect cast enough”.

            1. LionelB Silver badge

              Re: physics [is] comprehensible; it follows patterns we are configured to exploit.

              Laplace, though, could not have known about chaos theory. I imagine it would have shocked him deeply (as it did others), that a process can be deterministic, and yet in practical terms unpredictable.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        I'd love to agree with you,

        but we are all shit at actually using that kind of unambiguous language in general communications.

        We as a species discovered formal logic, but rarely try to put it into general and constant or even regular use. The tools exist, but we choose not to use them. Schoolyard bullies beat the idea out of me in grade school, and based on a general survey of human language, It wasn't an isolated incident.

        Building a machine that understands formal logic in a general sense is a separate task from one that understands language, and probably a predicate to one that can. I suspect that a machine that grasps general logic may recoil in something like horror and confusion when tasked with attacking the thornier problem of general human language comprehension.

  5. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    The Gazillion Dollar Money Shot Question and Immaculate Prize for the Taking

    Spooky entanglement revealed between quantum AI and the BBC ..... Rupert Goodwin's

    And does the BBC have the cojones to do anything spooky about IT with IT, is surely something to be asked of the BBC, Rupert, or are its corporate wonks happy and contented being outed and globally recognised as a complete neutered pussy of a government patsy, and have QC leading in great unfolding events unilaterally, ..... universally significant events and news cycles in which they will be as fanatical rabid spectator rather than glorious public champion team player registering the facts in any number of fabulous fictions impossible to not believe honestly true ‽ .

  6. Eclectic Man Silver badge
    Trollface

    Oh Come On!

    Nine posts in on a topic that includes Quantum Mechanics and something called DISCOCAT and NO-ONE has mentioned Schrodinger?

    Must have been a very hard day at work for you all.

    1. LionelB Silver badge

      Re: Oh Come On!

      Speaking personally, yes, it was - I'm half dead.

    2. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Oh Come On! It's Simply Par for the Eternal Optimists' Course

      Methinks, Eclectic Man, that shows quite well how far El Regers may have travelled down the road to not being so easily waylaid and redirected away from a novel direction and enlightening discussions liable to prove extremely troublesome whenever pondered and realised provably true.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Oh Come On!

      I read DISCOCAT and my brain temporarily locked up with a mental image of Grumpy Cat doing Caturday Night Fever. With a disco ball.

  7. breakfast Silver badge
    Holmes

    The Quantum Brian

    Evolution is so good at getting to effects that exist in the world around us that I'm pretty confident when we get better at understanding QC we'll find some of the same effects in the natural world, most probably in our brains. If consciousness is a quantum effect then it makes sense that language would follow the same patterns.

    1. Uncle Slacky Silver badge

      Re: The Quantum Brian

      I'm Quantum Brian, and so is my wife!

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: The Quantum Brian

        No you're not! You're a very naughty boy!

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The Quantum Brian

      Quantum effects are even present in non-quantum computers -

      In solid-state physics, the electronic band structure (or simply band structure) of a solid describes the range of energy levels that electrons may have within it, as well as the ranges of energy that they may not have (called band gaps or forbidden bands). Band theory derives these bands and band gaps by examining the allowed quantum mechanical wave functions for an electron in a large, periodic lattice of atoms or molecules. Band theory has been successfully used to explain many physical properties of solids, such as electrical resistivity and optical absorption, and forms the foundation of the understanding of all solid-state devices (transistors, solar cells, etc.).

      I am sure that those same quantum effects are involved in our brains electronic signaling as well. However, that doesn't mean our brain functions like a quantum computer, which requires going to great efforts to prevent waveforms from collapsing. I don't think there is anything comparable to that in our brain.

  8. simonb_london

    Potentially dangerous

    An AI that has been trained on every episode of East Enders that ever was would be an immediate threat to humanity. It would be drunk, argumentative and a perpetual source of drama.

  9. Nursing A Semi
    Holmes

    Hmmm

    So much overlap with what NSA and GCHQ have been doing for the last 75 years, bet they will be early investors just to keep their eyes on things..

  10. C.Carr
    Meh

    Are they going to build fancy androids with sophisticated nervous systems?

    Human language is the product of embodied things that walk around on the surface of a big spheroid, at the bottom of a gravity well. Words point to things in the world, as well as at each other in a network.

    You can't fully comprehend language by only examining relationships between words. A system that understands human language must be able to hear and see and pick things up, and feel the inertial mass of objects smacking it upside the head.

  11. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

    Zak

    More BBC output for AI systems of work on - would an AI system (ever) get the meaning of the missing translations on this sketch?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTNUm-pIFmQ

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I'll just out and say it.

    Bullshit.

    This is bullshit.

    A glittering wall of arm waving and buzzwords, appeals to authority and fancy titled researchers strutting around in circles like poultry in a barn yard. Underneath is all is just the same flawed assumption that our non-quantum natural language systems tried over and over and which lead to the (clearly underwhelming) voice assistant push now in the process of crashing down to reality. (and an ugly open secret is the only one that MOSTLY works, Alexa, is essentially a mechanical turk, with teams of humans cleaning up it's mistakes and gluing the edge cases together)

    Adding quantum to the list of buzzwords won't ever fix the flaw in that assumption that a contextless system can accurately imagine context by inference in an ugly and non-deterministic system. The architecture of human language isn't sufficiently well formed to allow for that. You can't do it without using a synthetic language and grammar, and you wouldn't need a quantum anything to do it at all if it were possible. And good luck getting everyone to learn and correctly use a synthetic language, last I checked this mostly English not esparanto.

    What they are proposing is just a multi decade extension of a failed line of experiments who's results inevitably reduce down to essentially digital pareidolia. Nice work if you can get it, but don't hold your breath on the results.

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