back to article US seeks standards dominance, lets Huawei access previously forbidden crypto tech

The US Commerce Department's Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) has relaxed restrictions that barred export of some encryption technologies to Huawei, in the name of ensuring the United States is in a better position to negotiate global standards. A Thursday announcement [PDF] explains the decision was taken because …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Export of ... algorithms?

    If it is for use in standards then surely we are talking "algorithms", no? But any encryption algorithms lining up to become standard are already public, aren't they? So I am confused.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Export of ... algorithms?

      Might depend on what you mean by public. Many things which are in standards are patented.

      But encryption has been a particular issue. You might find it helps to take a quick look at

      http://www.pgpi.didisoft.com/doc/faq/pgpi/en/

      1. You aint sin me, roit
        Pirate

        Re: Export of ... algorithms?

        That was over 20 years ago... and was arguably useless, The maths has always been freely available.

        Check out Huawei's phones. Can they handle TLS and HTTPS? Indeed they can, the crypto is already there.

        And it's not as if the Chinese haven't created their own variants. For ECDSA and ECKA they have SM2 (and SM9). SM4 corresponds to AES. SM3 corresponds to SHA-256.

        What's more, western companies realize that to do business in China they have to play the game, and are investing heavily in supporting these Chinese algorithms.

        Pirate, coz even if the US says they can't have crypto they'll still get it...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Export of ... algorithms?

          " to do business in China they have to"

          Nope, don't want to, never will. No slave labor for our company, no blood on our hands for Uyghur mass murder. Don't want to sell them anything either. Nope.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Export of ... algorithms?

            Irrelevant, you're a tiny minority. Hundreds of millions of people across the planet can only afford Chinese goods.

            And your actions hurt other Chinese workers who have no influence over their governments actions. But you don't care. You're virtue signalling, in other words.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Export of ... algorithms?

              The second "Nope" was a signal you missed.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Export of ... algorithms?

                The irony is that you're happy to buy American, despite the US being responsible for millions of deaths in the past few decades.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I guess the USA want to maintain the "standards" that allow it to put backdoors in all its US made equipment for the NSA, CIA & FBI.

    Got to keep feeding the ECHELON beast, which wouldn't happen if Chinese technology ever got a foothold!

    1. Aitor 1

      Standards and backdoors

      While I have no doubt that the IS likes backdoors, this is not about it. It is about market dominance.

  3. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

    American (double) standards

    -> The US also worries that China, through companies like Huawei, is trying to create standards that benefit authoritarian governments.

    Like hell it is. The USA is worried at being beaten. Full stop. The USA has shown that it can't compete on a level playing field, so it has to use sanctions, restrictions, tariffs, and all the other tools that it has. If Europe had a pair of balls between it, it would tell the USA to get lost. Instead we have satraps whose only measure is their ability to bend over further.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: American (double) standards

      Ahh, a communist troll. Nobody want's the brutal dictatorship managing tech. We want open source that is good for everyone. That protects privacy, not prevents it. EU data laws and China's are direct opposites as for who sees/controls our data.

      1. VoiceOfTruth Silver badge

        Re: American (double) standards

        Good for the USA does not equal good for everyone. The USA is the scooper upper of data, in case you didn't know.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: American (double) standards

          The present situation is that the US technically dominates IT, China dominates IT manufacturing, and between them they utterly dominate the profits from IT.

          If you are outside those two, the situation could scarcely be worse, and has been going downhill for a decade or more.

          Competing incompatible standards and balkanisation is likely to economically benefit the other countries. We could well be better off being aligned not so much with China's standards, as with the disruptive effect they might have. Supporting the status quo looks like it will leave IT in the non-US west poorer as time goes by.

          1. Bliar003

            Re: American (double) standards

            "The present situation is that the US technically dominates IT"

            The US does not dominate ANY part of IT. What a dumb comment. Microsoft is not the US.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: American (double) standards

          what's wrong with using EU data laws?

    2. Bliar003

      Re: American (double) standards

      "If Europe had a pair of balls between it, it would tell the USA to get lost."

      LOL what? The USA is a former British colony, genius. No leverage at all over Europe.

      "The USA is worried at being beaten. "

      It already is being, like the rest of the West.

  4. Jeremy Allison

    A warning from science fiction.

    “The worst tyrannies were the ones where a government required its own logic on every embedded node.”

    ― Vernor Vinge, A Deepness in the Sky

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Proceeding nowhere at warp speed

    "New IP" is going precisely nowhere, since no IP equipment vendor, including Huawei itself, considers ITU-T standards concerning IP to be worth the (virtual) paper they are printed on. The IETF doesn't take "New IP" seriously, so it's irrelevant.

    Also, "New IP" has nothing to do with government control; that's nonsense and seems to be Trumpian anti-Chinese propaganda. "New IP" comes with unrealistic notions of rigid service guarantees, which queueing theory proved decades ago are physically impossible.

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