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US mobile carriers know a lot about where their customers every move, and according to letters sent to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), they routinely store such location data for years, willingly hand it over to law enforcement if served a proper subpoena, and say users can't opt out. FCC chairwoman Jessica …

  1. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Mushroom

    necessary for the operation of its network and to provide services to customers.

    Selling your location history to third parties and silently notifying law enforcement agencies on demand are only two of the services we provide our customers!

    In what possible way does logging someone's location for longer than the duration of the call provide a service to the customer? Even if the customer is slurping data twenty four hours a day, there's still no reason to maintain history for eighteen months. Five years' retention is frankly ridiculous.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: necessary for the operation of its network and to provide services to customers.

      Exactly. Maybe 12 months max in case of billing disputes, and even then they don't need precise location data, just, as the MVNOs do, the tower connected to, the number called/data used and the duration.

    2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: necessary for the operation of its network and to provide services to customers.

      >In what possible way does logging someone's location for longer than the duration of the call provide a service to the customer?

      Depends who is the customer. If someone is prepared to pay for this data then aren't they customers too ?

      1. gandalfcn Silver badge

        Re: necessary for the operation of its network and to provide services to customers.

        Wicked!

  2. Zimmer
    Big Brother

    You're never alone with a phone

    see title..

  3. cantankerous swineherd

    aeroplane mode?

  4. M.V. Lipvig Silver badge
    Holmes

    The obvious solution

    if you don't want to be tracked, is leave the phone at home. "Where were you on the night of August 27th?" I was at home." "We have video of you at 12th and Main committing #crime." "Must have been someone who looks like me. There's only so many faces in the world." "OK Moynahan, let him go. His phone carrier verifies he was home all night."

    Shame it took the desire to kill the unborn to finally get privacy taken seriously though.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: The obvious solution

      >committing #crime.

      Or queuing at a voting booth in a district that unpatriotically voted against the dear leader

      Or visited a house of worship of the wrong G*d (or the wrong branch of 2nd convocation reformed Baptist)

      Or were in the same park as an evnt by those sexual deviants dissaproved of by all right thinking voters

    2. veti Silver badge

      Re: The obvious solution

      What makes you think it's getting taken seriously now?

      There have always been people clamouring about this sort of thing. I don't see any rush by the legislative branch to do anything about it now, and it's not clear that the executive can do anything about it.

      The US desperately needs a nationwide data-protection regime. One that requires all companies to actively delete all personally identifiable information as soon as it's no longer needed to provide an ongoing service to the subject.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The obvious solution

      "Desire to kill the unborn"?

      A woman was forced to carry a child with no skull that is not viable and would not survive, yet she could not get an abortion. Is she killing the unborn? Or is she in a terrible position made worse by politicians playing politics to their extremist base? Something she has to do, and yet could face life imprisonment for.

      It wasn't really abortion rights, it was Republican extremism that led to this. It could have been something else. As they get more and more extreme, they become a bigger threat to the USA.

      For example, if Trump was in power, he would have given Russia Zelensky's phone location, and their initial behedding attack would have been successful. They would have caught and killed Zelensky, slapped in another Puppet, like Viktor Yanukovych (same campaign manager, Paul Manasfort), grabbed control of the country and the same filtering-camps, same fake elections, the same political murders you see in Russia, you'd see in Ukraine.

      Do you think that wouldn't happen in the USA? Do you think if Trump had been able to have people murdered, that somehow Republicans would impeach him? Do you think he wouldn't provide all the intel on their phone location to Putin's poisoners? Do you think Republicans would somehow get a spine and stand up to him?

      You see the secret documents in Mar-a-Lago? See how all the Republicans backed the 'little' lie that it was a few press clippings and he was cooperating? And as the lie has gotten bigger and bigger, they followed it, and they're deeper and deeper in, they are using more and more extreme language to defend their impossible position rather than admit the mistake.

      Now he's literally stolen the most classified documents, defied a subpoena, been caught, admitted to the crime, and Republicans are forced to continue backing him.

      See the empty top secret folders? Clearly lots more top secrets in lots more locations, he will have sold Americas top secrets to American enemies. See all the redactions? All the sources in the Affadavit that were blotted out? Trump is seeking the unredacted Affadavit, the names of the people who have testified against him. What if those include Russians who've leaked details of Secrets he's handed to Putin? What if his treason is there in the affadavit?

      You'll see Republicans defend that, because they keep going deeper and deeper in the hole he's digging for them, so deep they cannot climb out.

      /Triggered? That was my intention. I want Republicans and conservatives to see the direction their heading and see the end game, and rethink whether they want to keep digging. They're a threat to every American right now. Radicalized. So stop digging that hole.

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: The obvious solution

        It wasn't really abortion rights, it was Republican extremism that led to this. It could have been something else. As they get more and more extreme, they become a bigger threat to the USA.

        Yes! Lock up all those Republicans! They're extremists! They're terrorists! Meanwhile-

        https://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/clinton-off-on-late-term-abortions/

        A spokesman for Clinton’s campaign told us that she meant that many late-term abortions — not all or even most — are because of medical reasons. But that’s not what she said. Her statement left the impression that the majority, if not all, late-term abortions are medically necessary. The available evidence does not support that assertion.

        The US is weird. It has a lot of religion. It has a very expensive medical system that may prevent women, or whatever they're called this days seeking terminations. So the Dems seem to want unlimited abortion rights, most other civilised countries set term limits. Bill Clinton tried to explain the procedure as sucking a fetus's brains out to shrink the head, actual procedure is a bit more drastic as D&C essentially dissects the baby to allow it's removal.

        For example, if Trump was in power, he would have given Russia Zelensky's phone location, and their initial behedding attack would have been successful.

        The West has been providing satellite and othe intelligence to Ukraine so they can target Ukrainians and Russians. But they're Russians, and they interfere in US elections, so they deserve to die.

        See the empty top secret folders? Clearly lots more top secrets in lots more locations, he will have sold Americas top secrets to American enemies.

        Yep, they're empty folders. Perhaps the contents were stolen by Russians who'd infilitrated the FBI raid, and used the seized Presidential raincoat as a disguise to aid their escape. Or it was aliens! Not those entering the country via Mexico, but the ones using mind control rays on Trump!

        They're a threat to every American right now. Radicalized. So stop digging that hole.

        Yup, someone certainly appears to have been radicalised. Meanwhile, back in the real world. Problem is a lil thing called 'FISA', which mandated data retention for phone calls, text messages and metadata. The same FISA that was somewhat abused to authorise Watergate-style wire-taps against the Dem's political opponents, using a variety of 'fake news' as a pretext. The Dems could amend FISA to remove data retention and implement stronger privacy protections, but why would they when they're having so much fun with it?

        Or, data retention and lawful intercepts are a very powerful law enforcement tool. Problem is data rape has proven to be an extremely lucrative industry. LEA use (and abuse) is at least somewhat regulated, problem is the free-for-all and commercial exploitation of people's personal data. That's unlikely to change because most of the 'big tech' companies lobby the Dems to make sure they don't do anything about data rape.

    4. gandalfcn Silver badge

      Re: The obvious solution

      One can't kill the unborn sweety. Unless you believe mould on a pizza is always good for you.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Welcome to the Nazi States of America. :(

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Meh

    The plod were handed "Facebook chats between a teen and her mother". So all that talk about end to end encryption is just that, talk ? I'm shocked to learn that.

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