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Senior execs at India's big IT outsourcers are debating whether it is appropriate for their staff to take on additional paid work outside the company. Wipro chair Rishand Premji set the ball rolling with the following tweet: There is a lot of chatter about people moonlighting in the tech industry. This is cheating - plain and …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Tata Consultancy Services chief operating officer N Ganapathy Subramaniam labelled moonlighting as an ethical issue and said the company will seek to create an employee culture that views extra gigs as producing short term gain for long term pain.

    Sure is totally unethical. Unless you are paying me for 168 hours a week, you don't get to say what I do with the remaining 128 hours of each week. (Have you ever noticed that these CEO's are always on a bunch of boards etc themselves?)

    Had a company get a new (septic) CFO and try to come the raw prawn with the old "all your time blong us". Backed off pretty fast when I got a labour lawyer to draught a letter suggesting 16 hours a week back pay for six years, with compounding interest.

    Like non compete clauses, this is just BS they demand, but will never pay a bean for when push comes to shove.

  2. david 12 Silver badge

    And you missed the whole point: they are talking about working your second job on company time.

    1. Falmari Silver badge

      @david 12 "And you missed the whole point: they are talking about working your second job on company time."

      No it is you that missed the point. You picked up on a single sentence this, ignoring the rest of the article.

      "But he also warned that some remote workers might be moonlighting while doing their day jobs, and that employers may ask workers to return to campus to ensure productivity."

      They were talking about working during the employee's own time. That sentence was just a maybe, hence the word might.

      1. Falmari Silver badge

        Moonlighting is not working a second job on company time

        Also if the original tweet was about working a second job on company time why did it not say that rather than just say moonlighting? The term moonlighting does not mean doing a second job on company time.

        To most moonlighting is working after you have finished your normal day job. Because having worked all day they are working during the night (when the moon is up) as well. Hence the term 'Moonlighting'.

        1. david 12 Silver badge

          Re: Moonlighting is not working a second job on company time

          The term moonlighting does not mean doing a second job on company time.

          In England the term moonlighting does not mean doing a second job on company time.

          Two countries divided by a common language.

          1. Falmari Silver badge

            Re: Moonlighting is not working a second job on company time

            Seems 'Moonlighting' means the same in India.

            From The Times of India

            "Moonlighting refers to the practice of working a second job outside normal business hours. An employee may work a normal 9-to-5 job as a primary source as a primary source of income but work nights at a different job in order to earn extra money."

            Read more at:

            http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/93704728.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

            I suspect that is also how most in the US view the term 'Moonlighting'.

  3. RagBag

    The management does not talk about how they docked variable pay, after the end of the year.

    That's cheating by the management and they should first answer how they can dock variable pay and incentives AFTER the year is done!

    Straight theft.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Is the assumption they are talking about IT work here?

    I don't see any problem if, for example, someone was moonlighting as a taxi driver.

    Is it more a case of the C-Suite see any 3rd party work as a loss of money for their own pockets (though for piece-meal work I don't see how - not big enough revenue anyway), or that they are thinking it's time that could of been spent on a customer account and it's time they could have billed a customer for?

    Anyway, if the wages go up, offshoring will be a less attractive option to the money-grabbing PHBs chasing their next bonus, and might actually, for once, benefit the IT people in their respective local countries.

  5. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

    "The company has been under US sanctions since 2020, thanks to its alleged support of the Chinese military. The sanctions (in theory) prevent the company from making chips based on a 7nm process node. Reports late last month revealed that SMIC has made the forbidden chips in volume since last year."

    Forbidden? USA has no jurisdiction in China. The lithography tech needed was barred from entering China.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    In the UK back in the 1960s it was not unusual for your employer's permission to be needed to have a second job - no matter what it was.

    Then the rules were changed to allow second jobs outside the employer's industry without seeking permission. Only second jobs that could possibly be seen as a conflict of interest needed permission.

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