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For years, Twitter posts and other online messages have been gathered and analyzed by financial algorithms in an effort to anticipate stock market movements. But, it turns out, these smart systems are rather dumb. Financially minded developers have created programs that ingest the tweets of widely followed public figures, such …

  1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

    Maybe Musk's takeover reasons for Twitter are revealed?

    1. trindflo Bronze badge
      Devil

      Curses,

      foiled again!

  2. JimmyPage Silver badge
    FAIL

    So much for all this "AI" shit then.

    I have spent the last 20 years in vain, pointing out that the only correct word in "Artificial Intelligence"is "artificial". I have yet to see any "AI" that isn't just sophisticated (or not so sophisticated) pattern matching.

    Stories like this just prove my point.

    1. Plest Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: So much for all this "AI" shit then.

      Yes but PHBs have all seen lots of sci-fi movies and AWS, Google., et al have all been selling "AI services" for a few years nows, so AI has to be something amazing.

      Same here, been in the biz for almost 35 years, I'm no syaing there's some smart work being done with "AI" as it is right now but all i ever see is "We have AI! Well we fed this algorithm with 17 billion data items and now it can tell the difference between a dog and a human in any photo you give it! Can we have our $25m grant money now?".

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: So much for all this "AI" shit then.

        now it can tell the difference between a dog and a human in any photo you give it!

        Well nearly any photo.

        And in an inversion of reality, that isn't reason for binning the whole thing, but actually a call for more grant money.

        I once ruined a potential sweetheart deal (corruption would be too strong a word) by doing with a bit of SQL and 14Gb spreadsheet what a firm claimed they needed £100,000. It was after that (some of) the board felt "big data" wasn't really ITs problem.

      2. Claptrap314 Silver badge

        Re: So much for all this "AI" shit then.

        But what happens if the word "human" is on a sign behind the dog? Eh? Eh?

    2. Enric Martinez

      Re: So much for all this "AI" shit then.

      Sophisticated pattern matching is quite useful !!

  3. mobailey

    Re: "ingest the tweets of widely followed public figures, such as Donald Trump .. and conduct trades based on the sentiment of their musings."

    Buy covfefe!

    -mobailey

    1. TimMaher Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: covfefe

      As some commentards will know, my supply is still stuck in Belfast port.

      Mine's the one with the empty pockets.

  4. Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells Silver badge
    Holmes

    Either these boffins are now rich as Croesus, or this technique doesn't work.

    I'm guessing that since they had time to publish it rather than partying on their yacht, it doesn't work.

    1. James Anderson

      They were not using reaL stocks. They downloaded the AIs and fed them made up data.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    If I had any money, I'd be rather concerned that my highly paid fund managers were choosing how to invest it based on pattern matching random data posted to twitter.

    It's almost as if investment funds are basically a scam that allows bankers to gamble with their customers money while charging them management fees for doing so.

    1. LionelB Silver badge

      Well, it's a truism that unless you have a crystal ball, virtually any investment is a gamble. If you think otherwise, you probably deserve to be scammed.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Holmes

    What's real

    "But, it turns out, these smart systems are rather dumb."

    People fail to understand what these systems are used for. Traders are looking to make money in the next few minutes or seconds). Those who bet that the market would decline when the false bomb report came out made money, those who didn't lost money. The validity of the tweet had nothing to do with it, only the time it took to notice it and act on it.

    The article is interesting but not that relevant. Traders won't care if the tweets are manipulated and the SEC is looking for unusual trading activity to identify and sanction market manipulation

  7. disgruntled yank

    Semantically similar

    I don't see that "filled" and "exercised" are semantically similar. Replacing the former with the latter does yield a sentence that is syntactically similar, but I would argue not semantically similar.

    1. david 12 Silver badge

      Re: Semantically similar

      Indeed. That is the whole point of the article, and of the research it refers to.

  8. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Unhappy

    So basically

    Set up a hedge fund

    Demand your salary is x% of fund managed (whichh is apparently SOP for hedge fund managers as described in "The Big Short")

    Hire IT team to do the actual trading stuff.

    Take the rest of the week (and every other one) off.

    Bottom line the theory of seelcting these guys as managers (Like IDK William Rees-Mogg) is they are f**king geniuses.

    IRL it seems the real genius is in persuading the investors that you are a genius at this sort of thing

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