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Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger just a few days ago raged against Bitcoin, calling it a "climate crisis." "A single ledger entry in Bitcoin consumes enough energy to power your house for almost a day. That's a climate crisis. That's not okay," he told Bloomberg in an interview last week. He was clearly hitting out at power-guzzling …

  1. ShadowSystems

    An energy responsible solution.

    I propose a means of calculating all the POW/hashes/BlockChainGubbins/CryptoDoohickies you want, all while reducing your impact on the electricity supply, lowering the impact on the climate, & proving that you're serious about helping to save Humanity.

    A device that can be used to do all the calculations you want, uses no grid power, & contributes nothing to worsening the problems.

    It will have the side benefit of removing the miner-hoarding-kit issue so that prices for all such hardware can return to a sane level.

    Best of all, the threat of a chip shortage, supply chain hiccoughs, or other artificial restrictions on the supply can't even begin to affect the market for the devices I propose.

    In fact, if governments around the world make it law that all mining must be done on such devices from now on, then enforces that law with extreme prejudice, it would go a very long way to hitting the brakes on the current rate of climate change.

    The device I propose is, of course, the Abacus.

    A wooden frame, some string, some rocks with holes drilled through them, and you've got yourself a device by which to calculate all the CryptoCoins you want!

    /Sarcasm.

    1. b0llchit Silver badge
      Alert

      Re: An energy responsible solution.

      You will simply continue the climate crisis with enough Abacuses in the world.

      Imagine all computers being replaced by Abacuses. The amount of wood used is a whole forest and you need continual replacements to cover wear, tear and flames. And then, all the emissions from the people's hand/finger movements to perform hashes. You need to feed all those people for the highest hash-finger-rates.

      You see where this is going in terms of emissions... We're doomed, dooooooomed I say.

    2. katrinab Silver badge
      Paris Hilton

      Re: An energy responsible solution.

      Can I propose an alternative method?

      Have a trusted third party to mediate who owns the coins and which coins are genuine.

      This could be a government licenced private company such as what happens in Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Hong Kong, or it could be a government institution like what happens in most of the rest of the world.

      1. Korev Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: An energy responsible solution.

        I would bank on that idea...

      2. nijam Silver badge

        Re: An energy responsible solution.

        > Have a trusted third party to mediate who owns the coins and which coins are genuine.

        Well, of course history reveals that such third parties are sometimes less than trustworthy. Not to mention that none of them mediate ownership.

  2. YetAnotherJoeBlow

    Credibility...

    "A single ledger entry in Bitcoin consumes enough energy to power your house for almost a day. That's a climate crisis. That's not okay,"

    "But in under a minute in that same interview"

    "Intel's bringing forward a blockchain chip that's dramatically better,"

    And that is arguable.

    Credibility it seems, is meaningless.

    1. b0llchit Silver badge

      Re: Credibility...

      It was not about credibility or climate. The whole thing was a sales pitch.

    2. hoola Silver badge

      Re: Credibility...

      Being better does not necessarily mean that the energy use (and waste) is any more acceptable.

      IT turns electricity into heat and sometimes bit of useful stuff. Things like Crypto mining, blockchain and data centres filled with pictures of dancing hippos, cats and babies are not actually that useful.

      In fact when you had a piece of paper with a picture on it, arguably it was far better for the environment and society as a whole......

      Heck even forums like this are contributing to the problem,

  3. xyz123 Silver badge

    Intel's system is slower, consumes MORE power and is around 5x more expensive to purchase than an Antminer.

    Hell its less efficient/costlier than an OLD antminer ASIC.

    there's no way in hell any big mining outfit will take any of these, unless Intel is secretly paying for their electricity costs. Even then they'd just be a small addition to whatever equipment the people already have.

    Be prepared for FUD from Intel as they set up their own mining farm and lie about it being run by [Insert celebrity name here]

  4. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    FAIL

    Yeah, but no

    ALL funny-money mining schemes are the problem. Giving them a chip that consumes less power is not the solution, the miners will just look at their power budget and buy that many more chips.

    The hypocrisy of that interview is staggering.

    1. quxinot

      Re: Yeah, but no

      Not at all true. In recent history, Intel has proven that it has the solution.

      They'll never hit yields, so the product won't ship. People will wait for the miners, and while they wait, less electricity will be consumed. See? Solutions!

    2. fung0
      Facepalm

      Re: Yeah, but no

      Good grief. Intel invents a way to cash in on the biggest Ponzi scheme in history by destroying the world just a little more slowly. If I hadn’t already planned to go AMD with my next CPU, this would do it.

  5. katrinab Silver badge
    Flame

    Another person who doesn't get bitcoin

    A more efficient miner will not make mining more efficient, because bitcoin mining is designed to be as inefficient.

    Inefficiency is a necessary and fundamental feature of its security.

    Bitcoin is secure because you need a medium sized country's worth of electricity to perform a 51% attack on the blockchain.

    If people deploy more efficient miners, the hashrate will go up to ensure that it continues to use the same amount of electricity as before.

    This is why proof of work is such a terrible idea.

  6. steelpillow Silver badge
    Flame

    What's that law called?

    There is a law going the rounds that if you make some damaging technology more efficient, that will lower the cost and that will encourage more people than ever to find it worth doing and take it up - you end up causing even more damage than before. I just can't recall it's name offhand, but air travel is the classic example.

    So less with the Mr. Nice Guy pleading, you are joining the planet-killers here.

    1. Pete 2 Silver badge

      Re: What's that law called?

      The Jevons Paradox

      From the Wiki article: technological improvements that increased the efficiency of coal-use led to the increased consumption

      1. steelpillow Silver badge

        Re: What's that law called?

        Thanks, that's the one.

  7. TeeCee Gold badge

    ...while consuming 3.6kW...

    So, still utter shit then?

    HINT: If you are using any power at all to do something that nobody really needs, benefitting nobody bar paranoid cockwombles and driven by your own sheer greed, it's a Very Bad Thing at this time in history. Bitcoin miners are just the same as hedgies, happily fucking over everything and anything for profit.

  8. Snowy Silver badge
    Coat

    Efficiency does not matter overall

    Going to do a thought experiment.

    Lets assume you create a very fast and very efficient miner and it can do 1TH for just 1 watt. with the massive increase in hashes the difficulty will also rise massively and the amount of energy used will not come down very much?

    Now I could be wrong as my understanding of miners is incomplete and I could be wrong. If I am please tell me how I am wrong :)

    1. katrinab Silver badge
      Mushroom

      Re: Efficiency does not matter overall

      Where you are wrong is:

      The amount of energy used won't actually come down at all.

      The hash rate will go up to the point where cost of energy used + miner's expected profit margin = price of bitcoin.

      1. imanidiot Silver badge

        Re: Efficiency does not matter overall

        In other words, Bitcoin is going to go "to the moon" again shortly as energy prices are rising worldwide due to a "slight" eastern European kerfuffle

        1. katrinab Silver badge
          Meh

          Re: Efficiency does not matter overall

          Not necessarily. It could be that the hash-rate goes down to the point that the cost of energy is the same.

  9. mark l 2 Silver badge

    Great idea Intel, during a global chip shortage, bring out a new chip whose ONLY use is generating made up fun bucks. More crap which will be in landfill in another 18 months as it won't even be useful on the second hand market.

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