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Meta has had a bad start to the year. When it revealed its audience growth was at a standstill and it had already sunk more than $10bn into metaverse technologies, its share price plummeted 27 per cent. More than $230bn of Meta's market cap evaporated. In social media, if you aren't growing, you're dying. For Mark Zuckerberg …

  1. Il'Geller

    Natural language? Just wonder.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Meh traverse.

  3. Howard Sway Silver badge

    Next step : virtual strip clubs

    Metaverse app allows kids into virtual strip clubs

    "Inside VRChat, there are rooms where users can meet: some are innocent and everyday - such as a McDonald's restaurant, for example - but there are also pole-dancing and strip clubs. "

    1. Ali Dodd

      Re: Next step : virtual strip clubs

      As is normal with the Zuck being's products, it doesn't care about you or your kids he just wants the data. Meta's VR technologies are WOEFULLY behind on parental controls, and any form of moderation control or even abuse reporting. Again it's an afterthought, not even that a minor footnote.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Facepalm

    Get going Metamates"

    "we can all communicate with one another no matter what language we speak, or where we come from. And if we get this right, this is just one example of how AI can help bring people together on a global scale."

    To translate from the primary language of Zuckspeak, "there are people in the world we haven't exploited yet."

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Get going Metamates"

      "Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."

      1. Kane
        Joke

        Re: Get going Metamates"

        "Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."

        To paraphrase the great adage regarding Orwell's 1984: It's not supposed to be a bloody instruction manual!

      2. GeoH

        Re: Get going Metamates"

        Yes, given the translator ignores cultural mores and context along with history of that place and people.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    ... 'No Language Left Behind', which is an ambitious machine translation system that translated itself as 'bowdlerised sinister buttocks'

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

      "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak" = "The vodka's fine but the beef's gone off"

      1. David 132 Silver badge

        And the (alas, probably apocryphal) tale of the Japanese publisher who transliterated a book title... "The Grapes of Wrath" = "The Angry Raisins"

    2. Dr Scrum Master

      Computerised universal translation? Sounds like another plan to create more conflict in the world.

  6. Joe W Silver badge
    Pint

    VR drinks?

    Unless this thing can actually materialise a drink in my hand, made to my exacting standards, it can go and zuck right off. I don't want a simulated coffee, I do not want simulated clouds, I want the warmth of sunshine on my skin, and the rough texture of sand under my feet.

    They are also just reinventing Second Life, which was an interesting experiment, but got nowhere, mainly due to the nature of humans - and this has not changed over the last two decades.

    1. Richard Jones 1
      WTF?

      Re: VR drinks?

      What I did not want today was real icy cold rain, hail, thunder and lightening. I do not want any nightmare dreamed up by the second rate slug bait company, (metaldehyde-verse) either.

    2. Youngone Silver badge

      Re: VR drinks?

      I quite enjoyed Second Life, until it got to the point where evertime I logged on some arsehole tried to sell me something.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: VR drinks?

        "I quite enjoyed Second Life, until it got to the point where evertime I logged on some arsehole tried to sell me something."

        This was already the metaverse failing, before the term was even invented.

        See, Zuck's simpleton business case is each gullible idiot will buy something, every freaking 10 s. in there !

        Of course, in the risk/assumptions department, Zuck has ignored 2 things:

        - likely, no-one will spend all their free time buying some useless NFT there

        - every single video game or virtual shop world may have completely different and incompatible engines and data models

        But, to some rich moron like Zuck, those are just tiny details the tiny hands will eventually sort out.

        Buy popcorn, mates, in 2-3 years, all this will collapse silently ...

      2. TeeCee Gold badge
        Meh

        Re: VR drinks?

        As you're talking about VR, when you say "some arsehole tried to sell me something", is that figuratively or literally?

    3. Dale 3

      Re: VR drinks?

      Obviously the natural progression would be for humans to simply deposit their bot representatives into the metaverse to take care of work now that our jobs are all going to be in meta-offices, freeing us from having to wear funny glasses and leaving us more time to lie on a sunny beach.

  7. herman

    Translation tools

    At this point, proper translation tools that work seamless on web sites, will be much more useful than more bling and a screen on your nose.

    1. Richard 12 Silver badge

      Re: Translation tools

      The Farcebook translation tools are laughably terrible.

      I don't think I've seen a single translated post that kept the actual meaning.

  8. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

    Off with the fairies?

    Meth-verse?

  9. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Facepalm

    "Let's add some clouds,"

    10 LET A = 127

    Has Zuck reinvented BASIC?

    1. Kane

      Re: "Let's add some clouds,"

      "10 LET A = 127

      Has Zuck reinvented BASIC?"

      Like that wasn't a completely rehearsed and scripted event...

      1. doublelayer Silver badge

        Re: "Let's add some clouds,"

        That was my thought as well. Not only were the commands themselves completely scripted, but I'm willing to bet there was no AI scenemaker in there, even one that was trained only on those commands and thoroughly tested. I'm expecting some premade video slices were created and someone got the job of pushing the button to cycle in the next one as soon as he finished each command.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: "Let's add some clouds,"

          I'm more interested in what happens when you go off base with a neural network trained on the kind of material available to Facebook.

          "Lets add some refugees on the beach over there! And some people throwing stones at them"

          "No, no, that's not right. Refugees don't wear white linen and are unlikely to have champagne in a wicker basket. Although that is a lovely sunset..."

          1. doublelayer Silver badge

            Re: "Let's add some clouds,"

            If my theory is correct, then you'll get some really weird blobs, some obviously pasted-in flat images, or a crash as soon as you give a command that wasn't expected in its exact form. AI systems that interpret textual data already have lots of problems understanding the main meaning of sentences. There's no way they have one that will correctly interpret "over there". It's the same story as when Google showed off its system for calling companies on your behalf using speech recognition to carry on a conversation. It sounded convincing (partially because they deliberately included unnecessary human sounds), but it turned out that they had run several tests on a person who knew about it and only included the successful one, thus making the product useless in practice and the demonstration a sham.

  10. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    "a model designed for developing smart chat bots that operate in the metaverse"

    Oh good, Zuck is going to fill his Meta-fied Second Life with a bunch of virtual people. Then he will declare the Metaverse a success and spend his time chatting with bots.

    And the rest of the world will watch him burn all his money on that particular pie in the sky.

    I'm glad you believe that a computer program can teach itself. I can't wait to see how that turns Tay.

  11. mark l 2 Silver badge

    I really hope Zuckerberg does spaff a load of cash on this Metaverse and makes a massive loss on it.

    VR is a gimmick and has been since the early VR headsets were rolled out in the 90s. The problem is it its fun for a bit, but the novelty soon wears off. Since headsets are expensive, you need a huge area to use it in safely, you look like a complete bell end wearing the headsets, and they can't be used on the go.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Correction

    " Although the internet titan formerly known as Facebook has changed its name to Meta, its mission is still largely the same: to make the world more connected Zuckerberg ridiculously rich."

    FTFY

  13. W.S.Gosset

    "The metaverse doesn't just need AI assistants."

    "It relies on other areas of " thoroughly prepared demo scripts.

  14. batfink

    Third Life then?

    So it'll be another version of Second Life, maybe with better graphics.

    Meh. People didn't want it then and they won't want it now.

  15. Ian Johnston Silver badge

    If I want to meet friends and have a picnic in a nice place, I can already do that, by meeting friends and having a picnic in a nice place. What exactly do I gain by putting on a VR headset and experiencing a virtual version at home? In what way is that better than the real world?

    Meta is basically a company which has invented an expensive fleshlight and expects people to stop having sex as a result.

  16. Aristotles slow and dimwitted horse

    "The kinds of experiences that you'll have in the metaverse are beyond what is possible today"

    I feel sorry for all of the twats involved with this - they seem seriously deluded. It makes me happy though that Zuckertw@ has staked his companies future on this carcrash and is now in a hole he can't easily get out of.

  17. nautica Silver badge
    Happy

    One word:

    Horseshit.

  18. CommonBloke
    FAIL

    The best part of it all...

    ... Is how zuck is somehow managing to convince companies to go all-out into this thing, mostly out of FOMO, while everyone completely ignores that the vast majority of people don't have the money to buy a VR headset, much less a VR ready computer or videogame.

    You know, the people that are actually supposed to "join" and "use" the metaverse

    1. Ian Johnston Silver badge

      Re: The best part of it all...

      One of the great things - well, successful things - about social media is that you can do Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/TikTok/Bebo/MySpace (my age may be showing) anywhere and anytime. Whip out your phone and you're good to go: at home, on a bus, walking down the road, wherever.

      So what the hell is the point of replacing it with something which requires a large (optics is optics) headset and therefore a good deal of space which connected to a powerful computer? Who wants a social medium then can only properly use at home?

  19. Chet Mannly

    Colour me skeptical...

    Look it may turn out to be everything that Zuck dreams of, but didn't the completely failed 3D tv and movie "revolution" establish that people aren't particularly enamoured with wearing goggles to look at stuff?

    1. Ian Johnston Silver badge

      Re: Colour me skeptical...

      There is a fundamental problem with all synthesised 3D experiences - TVs, VR headsets, movies, the lot:

      When we look at something which we perceive as "far away" our eyes change focus and swivel apart, very slightly, and when we look at something we perceive as "close up" our eyes change focus again and swivel together. With all 3D systems the focal plane stays constant, so even though things appear to be moving towards or away from us, focus and eye orientation need to stay constant. This confuses the hell out of the brain and in most people causes headaches or nausea.

  20. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    My hovercraft is full of eels

    Do you want to go back to my place bouncy bouncy?

  21. Old Tom

    Metaverse, Schmetaverse

    This will never fly.

    Have they not considered the percentage of Facebook activity that takes place in a browser tab as a sideline to what you're actually doing, on mobiles during transit, and while ostensibly watching the telly?

    i.e. Most Facebooking is a secondary activity, can anyone here imagine ever thinking "I'll dedicate the next half hour to Facebooking"?

    Zuck's C5 moment?

  22. imanidiot Silver badge

    Meta's hit the iceberg

    And now the ship is flooding while the band plays a merry tune and the captain is reminding everyone she's unsinkable. Only a matter of time now.

    I haven't heard of ANYONE that thinks "the Metaverse" (or at least the Zucks version of it) is a viable idea.

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A womans touch - head over heels - drifting in clouds

    Not surprisingly, the Frances Haugen hoopla seems to have petered out in Congress with nothing more than a tut tut tut and finger waving. However, it does seem to have had a strong personal effect on Mark, causing him to rename his company and retreat from reality into a Metaverse of his own imagination, shedding hundreds of billions along the way.

  24. myhandler

    It's good news all round, Meta is metastasizing.

  25. Chris G

    Meta-averse

    To Zuckereality, his demos are childish and pointless, if Zuck and his disciples really believe in this rubbish, there will be no need for monopolies investigations and dismantling, because the whole thing is going to implode, leaving mothing but but a nasty stain and litigation from distaught investors.

  26. Plest Silver badge
    Facepalm

    A metaverse...one of many to come!

    Everyone seems to think the metaverse is a single entitiy, it's not. The major players are all planning their own metaverses in order to maintain maximum control and extract maximum value when they start to attempt to make money. "metaverse" is just another buzzword that's total PR bollocks!

  27. Potemkine! Silver badge

    Marketing and dust thrown in investors eyes

    Zuckerberg is desperately in need of finding something to keep investors on board. So he tries to sell something that doesn't exist (and has no interest when thinking about it, but the pleb doesn't think, does it? ). Maybe they are interested in a virtual Brooklyn bridge.

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  29. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Can't see the Metaverse being a success just yet

    Metaverse was first coined in the novel Snowcrash by Neal Stephenson, the Metaverse was a success in that book because life in general had become so shit people needed an escape, and a similar plot line was followed in Ready Player one.

    I don't think are things are quite that bad just yet.

    A Metaverse with current technology probably won't be a resounding success due to the limited time people will probably want to be wearing a VR headset with all the attendant eyestrain (I seem to remember in Snowcrash the systems used low powered RGB lasers to write the display directly on the eyeball, not something I'd like to be the alpha tester for!), headset mounting neck aches etc, plus all the attendant annoyances of online environments such as obtrusive advertising, virtual assault, theft and scamming and grooming etc. (and we know how good Zuch's been preventing this kind of thing already.)

    Until we get the equivalent of a holodeck and a perpetual force field / people blocker I can't see it being a huge success in the same manner Facebook was initially.

  30. TeeCee Gold badge
    Facepalm

    Zuckerberg.

    The man who won't take "Because it's a fucking stupid idea" as an answer.

    I live in hope that one day he'll realise that the Facebook thing was a one-off, he's never going to follow it and he should just take the money and run. However, I suspect he's just too dumb to figure it out.

  31. Winkypop Silver badge
    Terminator

    Welcome to the hotel Metaverse

    Check in

    Plug in

    Round the clock intravenous feeding tube, waste extraction and sedation

    Stay forever (or at least until your cash runs out or the servers fail)

  32. GeoH

    Why? No one needs to be online all the time in an artificial world.

    This after/during a pandemic when people were often blasted with computer screens all day. Sick of it? Yes.

    I contend that Mark Z is a greedy idiot.

    The amount of energy from people and the planet to make this “meta” (my ghod, really, Mark?) happen is unconscionably wasteful. We could instead…oh, aggressively address climate change, you know, as an example of keeping humans alive.

    Also. Anyone with this amount of money should be ostracized.

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