WeChat, AliExpress added to US Notorious Markets list
An updated US Trade Representative's Office register of online and physical markets that reportedly sell or facilitate fake goods has added AliExpress and WeChat to its already China-heavy list. Released on Thursday, the 2021 Notorious Markets List names 42 online markets and 35 physical facilities accused of copyright …
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Friday 18th February 2022 13:35 GMT heyrick
Re: Amazon
Came here to write exactly that. Had an interesting exchange a few years ago when buying a little oscilloscope kit (for fun) which turned out to be a counterfeit (*). Amazon assured me that they don't provide fake stuff and agreed to send me a replacement...which was the exact same thing. I let the matter drop as I wanted something to do on my winter holiday.
The next time, I ordered from Banggood and got an authentic real JYE kit (this sort of thing: https://jyetech.com/).
Shall we talk about the replacement Phillips shaver heads?
There are certain categories of product that I avoid Amazon for, and I'm sure to buy via Prime and shipped from themselves, so if it's a knock-off it can go back at their cost.
* - at those prices, you'd not have thought there would be sufficient margins to make faking worthwhile.
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Friday 18th February 2022 15:36 GMT DevOpsTimothyC
Re: Amazon
Amazon has gotten too big to police the counterfeit themselves. After all why aren't trading standards regularly shutting down Amazon distribution hubs like they shutdown market traders who have counterfeit tat.
It's surprising that Amazon has gotten away with being able to charge a premium to brands to be able to police other traders on Amazon.
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Monday 21st February 2022 09:30 GMT Captain_Cretin
Re: Amazon
Amazon CANNOT BE BOTHERED to sort out its own sellers of fakes.
I spent TWO YEARS reporting a fake seller, all I got for my troubles was a daily email full of their listings, as I had expressed and interest in their products.
I find more fake stuff on Amazon than I do on Ali Express; and why in hell is there no mention of Wish ??
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Friday 18th February 2022 18:44 GMT DS999
Not to mention Newegg
Which used to be a very reputable company many people trusted, until they were bought out by a Chinese company and turned into a "marketplace". You don't know what you're getting and customer service took a bit trip downhill as well.
Pretty much any site that operates as a marketplace is a scammers haven. At least with something like eBay you know that going in, and if you buy similar products again and again you can use sellers you've had good experiences with in the past. That's worth a few extra percent in my book for peace of mind.
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Monday 28th February 2022 07:14 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Not to mention Newegg
Newegg isn't the only place that's turned into a marketplace and gone downhill
Insight has turned into a fulfillment house - and they charge vendors who want to provide accurate/live stock levels, so you're never quite sure if what you're ordering is actually going to be available
It's irritating to say the least
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Sunday 20th February 2022 19:14 GMT M.V. Lipvig
Re: Amazon
Ain't it the truth. And, they INSIST on only offering the chinese trash. Even if you put company name/part number into a search engine, Amazon sites come up first and it's rare that the link shows what you are looking for. It'll show 20 Chinese alternatives though. It's gotten to where I'll add -amazon to searches to keep them from wasting my time.
Anyway, it's not just amazon, it's the search engines themselves making it hard to find non-Chinese stuff.
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Monday 28th February 2022 07:18 GMT Alan Brown
Re: Amazon
There's the rub - a lot of this(*) is FUD to try and dissuade people from buying where "USA" products aren't up to snuff
(*) On the technology front at any rate, The thing about clothing is that most of the brand name stuff is made in China anyway and in many cases the same item may have half a dozen different band labels sewn in under different supply contracts - you're seldom if ever paying higher prices on "brand name" tat for actual higher quality
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Friday 18th February 2022 10:25 GMT mark l 2
I have found Aliexpress customer service to be pretty good at refunding you if you do receive dodgy stuff. Ive taken to making a video of me opening the package when it arrives just in case as I need that as evidence when I have to opened a dispute.
Ive learned to just open a dispute and not even bother to involve the seller on Aliexpress though, as whenever I have tried to resolve it with the seller first, they try and run down the clock for you to open a dispute or offer partial refunds etc.
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Friday 18th February 2022 15:33 GMT DougMac
Re: Top 3 are ....
Yep, I've received counterfeit goods from all of them, and then include NewEgg, and other computer resellers that are no longer around.
I'd say # one was Amazon for selling counterfeit goods though. eBay is more tame, only the deals that are too-good-to-be-true are bad. On Amazon, you could pay the normal price and still get shafted.
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Sunday 20th February 2022 08:50 GMT dafe
Notorious
The Trade Rep was careful to note that the list [does not] reflect legal violations, government analysis of intellectual property, or enforcement-related matters.
So being listed does not mean you violated trademarks (counterfeiting) or otherwise broke any laws.
Does it actually mean anything at all?
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Monday 21st February 2022 12:50 GMT Jedit
"has added AliExpress to its list"
Add Kickstarter as well, then. If I had a dollar for every project I've seen that was someone pushing an AliExpress product (knockoff or otherwise) at 300% markup, I'd have enough to buy the real article at retail.
(The IT angle? Kickstarter are themselves moving in to blockchain, which is Scammer-Helping Information Technology.)