back to article Notepad Dark Mode and Android apps arrive on Windows 11

Microsoft has attempted to smooth out some of the rough edges in Windows 11 while also releasing a mainstream preview of Android app support. PC users with compatible hardware may already be running the operating system, and while Windows Insiders have been able to fire up Android apps via a combination of the Windows …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sarcasm

    It looks like this article is of cosmic scale, as far as sarcasm goes:

    "Other bits and pieces include a weather widget, ideal for offices without windows"

    "We will leverage the variety of update mechanisms we have in place including servicing and Microsoft Store updates," threatened Windows boss Panos Panay"

    LOL.

    About this new light blue for Wordpad fonts, any news ? Cos users are requesting it north, south and west !

    1. Paul Herber Silver badge

      Re: Sarcasm

      A new shade of blue? But that will mean changing the light bulb!

      1. David 132 Silver badge

        Re: Sarcasm

        There's always some excuse, isn't there?

        1. davidp231

          Re: Sarcasm

          "A new shade of blue? But that will mean changing the light bulb!"

          Or changing the paint from Ocean Blue to Military Blue.

      2. Evil Scot
        Terminator

        Re: Sarcasm

        You just cant get the astro-mechs.

      3. Francis Boyle Silver badge

        Being Microsoft

        I think we can rule out it being super-intelligent.

  2. thondwe

    U.S. Only

    Seems over in Blighty we may not have it all? So I think my taskbar may have changed - not sure - date on secondary monitor maybe wasn't there before - never noticed. Weather app - turned off all Apps/Widgets - pointless. Notepad is changed (but I use Notepad++ and Visual Studio Code, so meh!). Media Player - nope. Android Stuff nope...

    Excitement contained...

    1. katrinab Silver badge

      Re: U.S. Only

      Clock wasn't on the secondary monitor as of the updates to last weekend, so yes, that is a new thing.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: 2007 Calling...Turning off those widgets.

      2007 Calling...and no I'm not going back to MSN News for my homepage either.

      To remove the new (awful) left aligned widget icon on the taskbar.

      Personalisation -> Taskbar

      Third Icon Down

      Widgets -> Off.

      Anyone that installs this update, believe me that's the first thing you'll be looking for.

      To those at Microsoft reading this: Please remember some people still have local accounts, it's just shocking how badly this widget presents itself to those users, in terms of its broken UI.

      1. katrinab Silver badge

        Re: 2007 Calling...Turning off those widgets.

        1997 also calling [The Active Desktop that came with Internet Explorer 4]

        1. Zippy´s Sausage Factory
          Windows

          Re: 2007 Calling...Turning off those widgets.

          I remember installing Active Desktop just to get a toolbar that I used to put at the left hand edge of the screen with all my used apps in. As you can imagine, I got along well with Ubunty Unity quite well...

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: 2007 Calling...Turning off those widgets.

        And by the looks of it, Microsoft reply to readings this...

        They are now looking to remove the ability for Pro Users to have a local only account on Windows 11.

        Forcing a Microsoft Account, is a massive 'power grab'. It really is no longer your 'personal computer', where data saved, is 'your data', it now has the heavy hand of MS breathing down on you, the cyberspace version of an abusive relationship. 'Our way, or the highway'.

        If I was setting up a business today, I would avoid MS at all cost, there's only one way this is all going, and it's not good.

  3. Hubert Cumberdale Silver badge

    You know what's not arriving on Windows 11 any time soon? Me. I've only just got the hang of how to beat 10 into submission, so I'm waiting until other people have beta-tested 11 and can explain to me how to remove or manually cripple all of the exciting new features.

    1. quxinot

      Only gently trolling here, but it's amazing how nice it is to use an OS where you feel like the dom, not the sub.

      https://linuxmint.com/

      1. Hubert Cumberdale Silver badge

        Sadly, my work means I have to run Word (and no, I absolutely can't use LibreOffice cos I'm a 1337 3d170r [or something]). If it were possible to get Office working (and I mean actually working, not just limping along in WINE or something) on Linux, then I'd think about it. Meanwhile, my need for Linux tinkering is satisfied with the mess I periodically make and then eventually fix in OpenWRT.

        1. yoganmahew

          Always keep that lan cable near the OpenWrt router!

      2. phuzz Silver badge
        Gimp

        I suppose the advantage of Linux is that all the bad decisions are at least set in stone at this point, and won't change. This gives Stockholm syndrome plenty of time to kick in, so soon you to will think that blind case sensitivity is a good idea. Whereas Microsoft might decide to make new and exciting bad decisions at any time.

        Except for systemd I suppose, which seems to be out-Microsofting Microsoft when it comes to "This is the new way of doing things, pray we don't change them further".

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Phone apps on a desktop?

    Why would I even want to do this? I just don't see what the benefits are.

    I can see the benefit to M$ - getting even more of my private information to exfiltrate via their telemetry services, but I fail to see the point for me.

    1. Sandtitz Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Phone apps on a desktop?

      "Why would I even want to do this? I just don't see what the benefits are."

      Well, if you don't have the equivalent app on a desktop. There's a myriad of games for Android that don't exist on any other platform. Developing and testing apps on desktop may also be easier than with a real Android device.

      For a while I used BlueStacks maybe 10 years ago to try some APK when I didn't have an Android device at hand.

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Phone apps on a desktop?

      Possibly useful for app developers?

    3. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Phone apps on a desktop?

      macOS does it, so Windows must tick the same box in the feature list. That is apparently the benefit for you.

      1. Neil Alexander

        Re: Phone apps on a desktop?

        Admittedly less so with Catalyst but at least SwiftUI attempts to adapt the user interface of an app so that it fits in more on the desktop compared to when running on iOS.

        Given Microsoft’s appalling track record with pretty much all of their user interfaces after Windows 2000, I can’t imagine the same being true of Windows 11’s Android app support. The apps will end up looking and feeling just as foreign as web apps.

  5. AndrueC Silver badge
    Unhappy

    I'd be happy if they'd just fix the frickin' task bar tooltips. I'm fed up of random tooltips appearing in random locations whenever my mouse cursor is anywhere near the task bar.

  6. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    a clock on that taskbar of one's second monitor.

    I don't want a clock on the taskbar on secondary or other monitors. I don't even want a taskbar on anything other than my primary monitor. I use extra screens to run programs full screen. I don't want that space wasted by duplicating something I can see on my primary monitor. Luckily, I'm running KDE on FreeBSD so I've had the option to choose whether my taskbar, including it's clock and everything else, should be duplicated onto other screens, or not, for many years now, not have the choice made for me by someone in Redmond :-)

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    3. AndrueC Silver badge
      Meh

      Re: a clock on that taskbar of one's second monitor.

      Luckily, I'm running KDE on FreeBSD so I've had the option to choose whether my taskbar, including it's clock and everything else, should be duplicated onto other screens, or not, for many years now, not have the choice made for me by someone in Redmond

      Windows has that option as well now.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: a clock on that taskbar of one's second monitor.

        Good to know, thanks. I wonder if that still works on Win 11 or if they also broke that when they lost the clock on multi-screen taskbars? :-)

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: a clock on that taskbar of one's second monitor.

      Not a clock showing seconds though, Microsoft must be thinking of charging a premium for that in a future update.

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: a clock on that taskbar of one's second monitor.

      That's a great comment.

      MS just don't get how people use their computers in the 'real' world. In their perfect world, no one does anything but use MS Orifice, use their crap implementation of Chrome, submit 'things' into Sharepoint. rely on Exchange for their emails and develop using Visual Studio.

      They probably have blood in the new MS group in their veins.

      Borg rules!

      1. AndrueC Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Re: a clock on that taskbar of one's second monitor.

        MS just don't get how people use their computers in the 'real' world

        <sarcasm>

        Yeah that's probably why their operating systems have never gained significant traction in the real world. It's not like Windows has anywhere near the desktop usage figures of Linux...

        </sarcasm>

        More seriously - we can argue the technical merits of OSes until the cows come home but how on Earth can you claim that MS 'don't get how people use their computers in the 'real' world' when they produce the desktop platform that has been dominant for several decades and when they remain one of the most successful computer related businesses in the world?

        You might not like what they produce but they have a bloody good understanding of the real world.

        1. elaar

          Re: a clock on that taskbar of one's second monitor.

          Their bloody good understanding of the real world now largely consists of them knowing that they have a very large user base, many of which would have issues moving to another OS, and so dictate to said user base what they should be using and how.

          No one wanted Windows 8, or 8.1 and what percentage of their customers moved to windows 10 because they thought it looked like a jolly good OS, compared to those that had to move due to windows 7 end of life, no directx12 and no HDR? It was free and people still didn't want it.

          So I'd argue they do now have a good understanding of monetising customer telemetry, but not what their users actually want or how they use things.

          1. MisterHappy

            I expect this will be unpopular but...

            I have to disagree on this one, MS have a good understanding of how 80-90% of their user base works.

            Most people simply don't care, as long as the 5 or 6 icons they always use are in the same place on the desktop, they are happy. They don't care about UI changes or Feature updates. Does the internet work, does Facebook work & in a work environment, do the applications work the same way as they did?

            We are the ones that make up the other 10-20% and we do care (In varying amounts).

            I just want a checkbox at install for "Corporate or Home" so I don't have to mess around removing XBox game bar before imaging 7500+ machines.

    6. phuzz Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: a clock on that taskbar of one's second monitor.

      I don't even want a taskbar on anything other than my primary monitor.

      You just need a version of Windows prior to Win8, where there was only a task bar on the primary monitor!

      Personally I hated that and spent time and effort finding a solution to add a taskbar to every monitor (in the form of Ultramon, which I actually paid for, just before MS added it as a standard feature).

      1. D@v3

        Re: version of Windows prior to Win8

        Yeah, or, you could just untick the box that says 'show my taskbar on all displays'.

        What i want to know is when they are going to let me pin m MY goddamn taskbar to the right hand side of my screen, like it has been for years.

  7. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    What is this obsession with dark mode on this, that & the other. Even OS News has got into it. Maybe it's time to give UI designers VT100s to let them see what we've been getting away from all these days.

    And "simplified menus"? Either the menu was fine as was or should have been fixed long ago. Get it right once and then stop tinkering. It just goes to show these jobs shouldn't even exist - idle hands and all that.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Wasn't this called changing the colour preferences before? And you could change them to what you wanted, not just white on black or black on white. And you could choose your own font too. (Hovis music.)

  8. Tubz Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    Notepad Dark Mode, sold, pass me my install USB !

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