back to article Another day, another ERP project behind schedule: This time it's Norfolk County Council and an Oracle system

Norfolk County Council will have to wait a bit longer for that a-ha moment when it finally turns on its new £18m cloud-based Oracle ERP system as the go-live date is delayed until April. Expected to accrue between £20m and £31m in savings over 10 years, the project joins a list of local authorities with late-running enterprise …

  1. Potemkine! Silver badge

    of integrated AI, chatbots and machine learning within ERP

    They forgot blockchain !

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Am i the only one that assumed Norfolk Council was still using abacus' and paper ledgers, amazed they even have computers?

    1. Jedit Silver badge
      Joke

      I'm sure that Norfolk only exists so that El Reg can make jokes about them having Norfolking clue.

      1. Korev Silver badge
        Coat

        Don't Diss Norfolk!

    2. Ian Johnston Silver badge

      Well, they certainly won't be counting on their fingers.

      1. Dave@Home

        Why not, Hexadecimal is a perfectly valid system?

    3. Tim99 Silver badge

      NFN (Normal for Norfolk)

      Sorry to rain on your meme, but…

      My father was the Treasurer of a Norfolk Council when documents were still hand written or typed. He was responsible for the installation of one of the first local authority systems (in the mid/late 1960s, Burroughs?). It’s main job was to look after the rates, and pay bills and salaries - It worked. I was just getting into science/technology then, and was allowed to go and see it working in its own room. The manufacturer was sufficiently pleased that it was used as a reference site, and for some reason "gave" them an ANITA calculator to "check everything was OK" - I think that cost about £400. He took early retirement when local authorities were reorganised in 1973 (Redcliffe-Maud). He predicted that the new large authorities would become an inefficient bureaucratic mess, so he grabbed the pension and left. When he left he was allowed to buy the ANITA for £5 and was still using it in 1991.

      1. Dabooka

        Re: NFN (Normal for Norfolk)

        Liked for the ANITA calculator.

        Still got it?

        1. Tim99 Silver badge
          Unhappy

          Re: NFN (Normal for Norfolk)

          Sorry, no. I looked for it after his death, but couldn’t find it.

          1. Dabooka
            Unhappy

            Re: NFN (Normal for Norfolk)

            Oh lordy, so sorry to hear that.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Surprise, surprise ..... yet another cost overrun :)

    Anyone noticed that they can 'estimate' the cost saving ..... (usual 'wet finger & stick in air' method).

    Yet, they are unable to estimate the cost of the overrun, which is more important as it is 'real' money being paid now !!!

    That squeaking noise you can hear is the sound of the 'cost savings' being squeezed down and down as reality overcomes the 'Reality distortion field' that accompanies all govt contracts.

    :)

    1. DJV Silver badge

      Re: Surprise, surprise ..... yet another cost overrun :)

      The only reality is the increase in council tax for the poor sods (that's you and me*) who are at the end of the chain.

      * me especially as Norfolk Cunty** Council as the ones I pay my council tax to.

      ** typo (deliberate)

    2. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: Surprise, surprise ..... yet another cost overrun :)

      Well, they're not actually "estimating" the cost savings, they're just repeating what the marketroid told them.

      1. Ian Johnston Silver badge

        Re: Surprise, surprise ..... yet another cost overrun :)

        And these sooper-dooper consultants can even estimate savings to within +/- 22%.

        Of course it's irrelevant. We all know that they are going to lose a fortune on a disastrously unreliable system. They always do.

  4. David Glasgow

    Not a rhetorical question

    ... and just beermat figures, why do things like this cost £18,000,000?

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Not a rhetorical question

      You'd need an Oracle to tell you that.

    2. Korev Silver badge
      Holmes

      Re: Not a rhetorical question

      To distinguish between the Haves and the Have Yachts

    3. Dave314159ggggdffsdds Silver badge

      Re: Not a rhetorical question

      "why do things like this cost £18,000,000?"

      How much would you have to be paid to contract with a council? Take everything you've ever heard about ridiculous government contracts, add complete idiots who aren't even good enough at their games to be MPs, it's bound to be a complete disaster. There is always an additional cost with clients known to play silly buggers, and in this case it's 99%.

    4. czechitout

      Re: Not a rhetorical question

      £3m to implement and then £3m per year for licences, support and maintenance for five years.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Devil

    Schadenfreude

    Wait til April when karma bites schadenfreude in the aaS.

  6. Aristotles slow and dimwitted horse

    Bootiful Bernard Matthews will be suing...

    As he has the patent on all Turkeys from Norfolk.

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