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BOFH: Where there is darkness, let there be a light
BOFH logo telephone with devil's horns The Director and the Head Beancounter are waiting for me outside Mission Control when I get to work – which is never a good thing. When two or more idiots are gathered together and all that. “It’s about the asset register,” the Head Beancounter says. “Didn’t we cover this weeks ago?” I …
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Monday 12th July 2021 09:32 GMT A K Stiles
Definitely pick which battles you want to fight...
Mice, keyboards, headphones, cables - all consumables. I did once work somewhere where they wanted to 'inventorise' every last patch cable and VGA lead...
They also wanted to know which monitors were on which desks / with particular people, and would get shirty at stuff being moved around, but also didn't have the resources available to come and shift kit around for us with the regularity the business would want to tweak the team structures etc.
Even if they did come and move kit for us, the folks that came to do the moves were definitely too hard pressed to be bothered trying to record asset numbers as they went...
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Monday 12th July 2021 09:43 GMT TRT
Re: Definitely pick which battles you want to fight...
Oh God... cable counters. Saints preserve us from them. I used to sit them in front of my spare cable cabinet, a genius cupboard recycled from one that used to hold the big magnetic tapes - it had very heavy gauge frames in there perfect for holding cables and keeping the A and B ends separate for ease of identification. Weighed a tonne.
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Monday 12th July 2021 09:49 GMT Sgt_Oddball
Re: Definitely pick which battles you want to fight...
It's also fun when your company gets bought out/merges. Everyone's assets management systems are different and sometimes just never gets merged.
I've got colleagues using kit from 4 business names ago. Pretty certain those bits of kit aren't registered anymore.
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Monday 12th July 2021 20:24 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Definitely pick which battles you want to fight...
Ah, at college, the property accounting folks decided that they didn't want to take my word for the location of the serial muxes (which didn't identify themselves by serial number on the central system, this being the late 1980's), so I told them to bring walking shoes and I'd bring the keys, and then take them on a tour of the 24 buildings on campus where we had terminal equipment. The second day, they brought their department vehicle...so we could drive from building to building... The following year, they did accept my inventory list.
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Monday 12th July 2021 22:58 GMT FozzyBear
Re: Definitely pick which battles you want to fight...
Early 2000's had a directive come down from the chief beancounter stipulating the very same. Our IT manager fought it for days but was not only overruled but it was now to be given the Highest priority. The instructions he gave were simple.
"You guys know what to do....."
The interruptions to the business were spectacular, the loss in productivity awesome. Assigning the cost of printing out thousands of asset labels back to finances inventory account, brilliant. The additional attention given to legume central would have made the gestapo flinch.
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Tuesday 13th July 2021 07:45 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Definitely pick which battles you want to fight...
Too late for you now, but look at NEC's Naviset software. Works best with NEC kit (obviously!) but will allow you to remotely see what monitors are on what PCs - including serial numbers and you can problem asset numbers too. There is a also a remote control feature - although apart from resetting the monitor remotely, I can't see the point. You're on the phone to a user, and he is going "left a bit, bit more, bit more - too much!"
Also HP do something similar - Display Manager (?) V1.0.0.0 at the mo and seems rather basic compared to NEC.
And they are both free!
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Tuesday 13th July 2021 10:25 GMT bombastic bob
Re: Definitely pick which battles you want to fight...
Mice, keyboards, headphones, cables - all consumables.
printers, inexpensive laptops, small UPS devices, phones, and slabs, too.
Only a BEAN COUNTER would want to bother with DEPRECIATION SCHEDULES for anything valued less than $5k, unless it's an integral part to a system with a high enough value to justify it. I have _NEVER_ seen an advantage to doing depreciation for otherwise expensable equipment. It's like they're just making up work for themselves.
Now a rack of servers, UPSs, multi-port ethernet, and routers might be justifiable, but NOT EVERY! STINKING! CPU! BOX! AND! MONITOR!!! The purchase value isn't worth the cost of tracking them and the equipment rapidly loses its actual value over time like a new car off the lot.
Better (and easier, and probably cheaper) just to keep receipts and expense them all in the year they were purchased. You'd do the same for pens, toner, and any office supply thing purchased in bulk. And. any auditor can walk around the office and see that people are using the stuff and it would be an insurmountable task (and maybe even impossible) to verify every serial number against the visible number of company issued phones, slabs, laptops, CPU boxes, monitors, etc. in addition to the keyboards, mice, cables, headphones, and occasional entertainment devices.
Another thing: the phones and slabs are also likely to have SIMM cards in them issued by the company, which probably COST MORE IN A YEAR than the stupid phone or slab did. It would be POINTLESS to track the actual device they're inserted in. Many people would want a new i-device every year anyway. So you might as well just 'expense' them.
Seriously, I bet if you FIRED THE BEAN COUNTERS who are compelled to track things and justify their DEPRECIATION SCHEDULES through labor-expensive inventory audits, you could purchase NEW GEAR for EVERYONE every 3 years and not even WORRY about what happened to the OLD stuff, and STILL come out ahead financially.
[I think I'm starting to sound like Simon the BOFH]
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Tuesday 13th July 2021 15:48 GMT Paul Hovnanian
Re: Definitely pick which battles you want to fight...
The down side of expensing everything to skip the inventory effort is that stuff starts walking out the back door. And then the investors get angry.
Once you've scanned every bar code* on the server racks and desktop, let the accountants do their depreciation magic.
*In a previous life working for a power utility, I pointrd out that bar code scanning technology was starting to get good enough to drive down a road and record every pole. Accounting had a fit anout that. It serms that too good of an inventory would require an explanation as to why our asset base had changed so drastically from the days of hand written records. So much for that idea.
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Monday 12th July 2021 09:35 GMT Sgt_Oddball
Diesel...
Now there's a point. Wouldn't it have been easier to send the bean counter to check the diesel tanks levels (for the backup generators) with a dipstick and for there to be an awful accident involving a power cut, high voltage and large mass flywheels nearby?
Then again, that's if there's still diesel in the tanks. Pretty sure there'd be a hosepipe and some empty Jerry cans nearby.
Maybe they can pour some of the red diesel into the bean counters car just to show said bean fondlers misdeeds...
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Tuesday 13th July 2021 00:34 GMT My other car WAS an IAV Stryker
Re: Diesel...
"Diesel inside a vehicle" isn't just a story idea, but a real-life tale told to me today...
A new-to-the-test-site grunt was told to fill up a customized M2 Bradley. This is one of a small group of Bradleys that had the internal fuel tanks moved to the external rear, but the old fuel cap was still there. Not knowing the difference, said grunt dispensed about 100 US gallons before anyone knew what was going on.
The old fuel caps were welded shut shortly after.
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Monday 12th July 2021 09:39 GMT TRT
Old school methodology.
Someone in our department managed to persuade the efficiency in time and motion consultant that they could save over 1000 person-hours of inventory time by using an automated digital asset management and tracking system, linked to the finance & purchasing system, and reduce the threshold for countable asset value from £1000 to £750. Network scanning of assets was all part of the CyberEssentials accreditation, and as there were some areas where the requirements of CyberEssentials were in direct opposition to business requirements, they were happy to firewall these zones off in a way they became invisible to the Cyber Assets scanner and just ignore them - by policy. Anything with a network connection can be scanned, logged and audited.
The auditors seem very happy with the system churning out an excel spreadsheet once a year at the push of a button. It even works out the depreciation and write-off values for them. Everything is perfect, which cheers them up no end, and saves them a packet in boots-on-the-ground costs, and those expensive custom printed asset labels. I don't think they've had eyes on the tin for at least the last 4 years.
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Monday 12th July 2021 09:50 GMT TRT
Re: Old school methodology.
You might have thought it was simpler just to fudge the spreadsheet, but that's far less elegant than, say, developing a robust system for probing network devices that in the event of not finding one resorts to attempting to impersonate the expected network device and looks for the failure resulting from the clash to record a positive identification.
Then making the system high availability by incorporating an active/active pair...
And when you do that it becomes REALLY good at finding all those missing devices. 100% success rate. We have to tweak it down to make it believable.
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Monday 12th July 2021 11:47 GMT TRT
Re: Old school methodology.
That's why one needs a custom methodology for network probing - in a heterogenic network which may include custom and development machines, there's no "off-the-shelf / one-size-fits-all" system.
So we custom design the query server, the PHB approves the design and signs it off based on a rudimentary understanding of the operational block diagram and the validation test results, and then we get the auditors to approve and nominate it as critical infrastructure which means that, by policy, it has to be a HA design.
Simples!
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Monday 12th July 2021 11:52 GMT TRT
Re: Anything with a network connection can be scanned
Do you have a keyboard, mouse or screen worth more than £750? OK, some SCREENS might be, but they're generally the ones with the built-in colorimetry...
The sheer volume of work accounting for every item - accounted by sight - was so onerous that they set a threshold of £1000 - a proposal for a more efficient system that could lower that limit and reduce the workload... very tempting piece of bait.
So the bit about CyberEssentials is actually true... and the bit about the audit system being linked to the purchasing system is true. And the bit about using a network scanner to complete around 75% of the annual audit is also true...
The bit about impersonation of an undetected but expected asset isn't true... yet. I think. At least not for our segment of the network. Not so sure about some of the wilier BOFHs in other departments.
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Tuesday 13th July 2021 10:40 GMT bombastic bob
Re: Anything with a network connection can be scanned
the old network cables get turned into cat5-o-nine-tails. You need 5 of them to make it work right, fold 'em in half, half of one of the cables wraps around the bend to form a handle. Useful for correcting certain problems like nosy accountants and incompetent contractors...
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Monday 12th July 2021 11:37 GMT elsergiovolador
A pile
Reminds me of a start up, where they were going through equipment like they won lottery or something (well, kind of). Hiring new staff to impress the investors and everyone of course needed a new computer and all peripherals. Then when worker left, they wouldn't just wipe it for the new starter, because it was part of the recruitment bait that worker gets to choose a new computer. They couldn't (or just didn't bother) exactly find how to dispose of all this equipment, so they basically dedicated one conference room to store all the stuff. After two years that room looked like a scene from Toast of London's "Dating a hoarder".
If there was a company event, workers could get there and take whatever they wanted, except hard drives.
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Monday 12th July 2021 12:07 GMT TRT
Re: Omission?
When HR starts referring to individuals as "Assets" and company policy dictates a system of non-removable asset labelling, like the old blue goo that swelled and dyed plastic casings with a dot-matrix impression of the company name, then...
Well that old tattooists chair that was rescued during a skip dive and set up in the basement storage room next to the server room...
Hand me that pad of wipe clean "asset disposal forms" will you...
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Monday 12th July 2021 14:34 GMT Big_Boomer
Count 1, 2, 3,... ha-ha-ha
I use to work as a manager at a certain "arched" fast food franchise, and they are big on stock management and stock taking. The coffee stirrers came in pack of 1000 and if there was an open pack, we just used to estimate how many were in there during stocktake. We then had an audit and were told by the auditor that someone had to give an exact number for the open pack. One of my colleagues went off to individually count several hundred plastic stirrers and I followed him. We both looked at the pack and agreed it was exactly 658 stirrers which we (in due time) reported to the auditor. He asked if we were sure, and I invited him to check for himself. Needless to say, he declined. It seems he wasn't interested in checking the opened packs of 1000 burger wrappers either. <LOL> Beancounters live to count and can't understand why most of the rest of us don't.
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Monday 12th July 2021 17:35 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Count 1, 2, 3,... ha-ha-ha
Fun fact, that's how the beancounter checks to be sure the restaurant owner is buying the official company coffee, not a cheaper knock-off from a local big box store or wholesaler. They'll also count soft drink cups, and other consumables.
Source: a former co-worker used to be a franchisee (not of the arches, but a smaller regional chain). He was vocal about company practices at franchise meetings, and oddly enough seemed to get "randomly" selected for audits every year.
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Tuesday 13th July 2021 10:52 GMT bombastic bob
Re: Count 1, 2, 3,... ha-ha-ha
no shit THIS really happened...
A few decades ago I worked in the corporate materials department of a company that was setting up offshore operations in Singapore. As part of that, inventories of "free stock" (basically stuff you did NOT inventory for a very good reason) was shipped to them.
They sent a reported 1 million washers to the Singapore facility. After a short time, the Singapore manager(s) sent a fax or e-mail or something that basically said "we are short 42,381 washers" (or some similar number with 5 significant digits like it was THE actual number) and that they had RE-COUNTED to make sure!
The response from my department was something like "it is acceptable to count large quantities of small, low cost parts by WEIGHT, and the count of washers we sent you is within the tolerance of the parts weighing equipment"
Needless to say, the mental image of a room full of people counting washers one at a time...
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Wednesday 14th July 2021 06:12 GMT skeptical i
Re: Count 1, 2, 3,... ha-ha-ha
One hopes the Singapore manager had a savant sibling (like "Rain Man" with or without the fear of flying) who can quickly count stuff, and had hired the sibling to help out around the shop. Not sure 42K washers are worth the time to count (twice!) the other 958K, even at race-to-the-bottom global-economy wages.
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Wednesday 14th July 2021 16:50 GMT Shalghar
Re: Count 1, 2, 3,... ha-ha-ha
Might be doable if you have a coin counting machine that does not check if the round things rushing through are legit currency. I believe a youtube and instructables guy , Daniele Tartaglia (plus typo and misremember tolerance), made a coin counter that might just do the trick for washers of different sizes.
But you do not need to go to asia for insane inventorists.
Zip ties we use com in bags of 2000 or even 3000, depending on type. Guess what was on our inventory list some years ago ? One year later they wanted us to count open bags of conductor sleeves. 0.34 square mm /around 22 AWG come in plastic bags of "only" 500 but by nature of the product you need the patience of a helldesk masobuddhist to fiddle around with those things. Funny how we never had any open bags of such items anywhere (in the closed electrical cabinets housing lots of air and some live and charged compensation capacitors does not count as "anywhere" as that is clearly "somewhere").
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Monday 12th July 2021 17:10 GMT Doctor Syntax
Re: All these comments
It's items purchased up to but not including the 31st. Obviously.
I have come across a church register entry for February 30th. I'm not sure if it was a leap year or not.
Medieval courts almost invariably gave dates relative to saints' days or, between Shrove Tuesday and Trinity Sunday, the various moveable feasts. In a run of several years i found two calendar dates given. One was Friday April 1st. April 1st was a Saturday that year. I'm still not sure whether it was an April Fool's joke delayed by over 9 centuries or the scribe just wasn't used to handling actual calendar dates.
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Monday 12th July 2021 18:40 GMT Zarno
Re: Hang on.. its monday
Denatonium benzoate.
Can be found in most air-duster as an anti-inhalation additive.
Quite the interesting thing to get on ones fingers after spraying out a chassis.
The other oddball fun fact is loctite 243, 242, and 518 use an artificial sweetener as a thickening agent.
I have no idea why you had a keyboard covered with capsaicin/piperine though. :)
I'll get my coat. It's the lab one with the rubber gloves in the pocket.
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