back to article Under threat of judicial review, UK.gov agrees to consultation before extending Palantir's NHS role beyond pandemic

The UK government has caved at the threat of a judicial review into its £23m contract with controversial US AI firm Palantir in setting up the NHS COVID-19 datastore. In three key concessions the government has said it cannot offer firms like Palantir a long-term NHS role without consulting the public and that it would not …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Phew

    Well that's alt.right then. I Thiel it's for the best.

  2. Mike 137 Silver badge

    "Three such juries of 18 people, including service users and patients"

    One has to wonder [a] how they will be selected and [b] whether in any case 54 people can reliably represent an entire population of some 60M on a matter as important as this (whether we want state surveillance service providers processing our medical records). This is a real case for a referendum.

    1. JohnMurray

      Re: "Three such juries of 18 people, including service users and patients"

      Given palantirs relationship with the intelligence "community" in the USA maybe it should be asked whether they should be allowed access to any UK information at all...

      1. onemark03

        Should Palantir be allowed access to any UK information at all?

        Strike "maybe".

        'Course they bloody shouldn't.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "Three such juries of 18 people, including service users and patients"

      It's called representative democracy :(

      And taking back control. That's us by the way, not you peasants.

      Basic Tory manifesto.

  3. cantankerous swineherd

    can't accuse NHS England of selling patient data when they're giving it away.

  4. fred base

    Truth

    "...it cannot offer firms like Palantir a long-term NHS role without consulting the public and that it would not expand Palantir's work on the NHS datastore beyond COVID-19 without notifying the public"

    After the contract was signed :/

    When the guy in charge has such a "complicated" relationship with the truth and trust, that statement isn't worth the paper it's written on.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Truth

      Re: "When the guy in charge has such a "complicated" relationship with the truth and trust"

      Does that refer to

      * Johnson

      * Thiel

      * Cummings

      or maybe some combination thereof e.g. all of the above?

  5. Howard Sway Silver badge

    "maintaining high standards of public trust and promoting transparency"

    They just say this sort of stuff without caring that it's complete nonsense, because they know they can do whatever the hell they want.

    This was the official response yesterday when a question was asked about Boris Johnson cheating on his ex-wife :

    "He does believe in the wider principles of integrity and honesty. He acts with integrity and is honest".

    1. RegGuy1 Silver badge

      Re: "maintaining high standards of public trust and promoting transparency"

      Just in case you will never ever read this on the BBC:

      https://bylinetimes.com/2021/03/31/its-coming-from-the-top-concerns-inside-bbc-of-fear-of-casting-boris-johnson-in-a-bad-light/

      Jenifer Arcuri’s new revelations about her affair with Boris Johnson have gone largely unreported by the BBC.

      The story appears to have everything – sex, betrayal, abuse of power, lies told in high places – so, on the face of, it is somewhat surprising to find it covered only grudgingly, and at the margins of the BBC’s huge range of output.

      It is, however, completely consistent with the corporation’s desperation to avoid a fight with the Government, and has roots going back far further.

  6. Gordon 10

    How precisely

    Does getting 54 people to be consulted make up for not putting it out to tender in the first place. Its a fig leaf.

    The only proper way to do it is to put the contract out to tender with explicit access and re-use clauses that can be reviewed and challenged for over-reach.

  7. Chris G

    Shirley

    Based on this "Amazon, Google, and Microsoft were on the list of contracted companies, along with Palantir Technologies UK and the London AI company Faculty, which worked on the Vote Leave Brexit referendum campaign." they could find a little space for Feacebook?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    WOW! A consultation!!

    That'll definitely have them changing their mind! They'll listen to all the views put forth, and make a decision taking that into account!

    1. Kane
      Boffin

      "That'll definitely have them changing their mind! They'll listen to all the views put forth, and make a decision taking that into account!"

      Evidence based decision making.

      Decision based evidence making.

  9. jonathan keith

    Result?

    The Government will simply tell us that they will continue with Palantir because it will be too costly and complicated to start afresh with a new supplier. Of course there won't be any supporting evidence published, because that information is "commercially confidential."

  10. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    What's needed isn't an inquiry into one particular contract. There need to be two, one into the role of AI in public decision making wide enough to cover its role in campaigning for votes and the other into recent history in contract awarding. And forget "citizen juries", they need judicial authority to summon witnesses.

  11. nijam Silver badge

    > ... the government has now agreed not to extend Palantir's contract beyond the pandemic without consulting the public.

    The "pandemic" will go on for many years yet.

    Mostly because it isn't, and hasn't been for many months, a pandemic; it very quickly became apparent that it was endemic ... and would remain so.

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