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The UK Space Agency and Rolls-Royce have kicked off a study into nuclear-powered space exploration. Before anyone gets too excited, this is with a view to create a roadmap looking out to the next five to 10 years. The study will see planetary scientists pondering the impact that might be had by nuclear power sources as well …

  1. don't you hate it when you lose your account

    Thank god

    British Leyland went bust, did anybody have to drive a Maestro? But interesting tech if it make it to orbit.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Thank god

      Be more interesting if it was renewable energy tech.

      1. Wellyboot Silver badge
        Trollface

        Re: Thank god

        Nuclear is mostly renewable, used fuel can be reprocessed into new and 'not on this planet' is the best place for the residue.

        1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
          Mushroom

          Re: Thank god

          Didn't work out so well shifting it up to the moon in 1999.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Didn't work out so well shifting it up to the moon in 1999.

            Oh, I don't know. However inadvertent the propulsion test actually was, it clearly managed a fair bit of useful thrust. :-)

    2. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
      Flame

      Re: Thank god

      I don't think a BL Maestro could make it down the road to the shops!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Thank god

        I had a Maestro VdP with the talking digi dash. Went and handled well for the time. Much nicer to drive and better engineered than the contemporary Astra and Escort which I also have had. Hardly a reliable car though. All that 80's vintage electronics was very temperamental and together with BL production problems made the car a bit of a lemon. It was put together by people disinterested in the product in chaotic conditions using worn out tools.

        Would love to have owned a fully sorted one, but the digi dash versions have all gone now unsurprisingly.

      2. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: Thank god

        The manual gearbox on Maestros and Montegos was sourced from VW. A version of the 020 gearbox as used on the Golf. A fairly robust gearbox, apart from the 2nd gear syncro

    3. Arthur the cat Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Thank god

      British Leyland went bust, did anybody have to drive a Maestro? But interesting tech if it make it to orbit.

      I don't think putting an old Maestro into orbit looks good after a Tesla Roadster.

  2. Sparkus

    would rather

    that RR would build the Michael - Orion ship and such like, but we've got to start somewhere.......

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: would rather

      Would you not rather start on renewable energy?

      1. NetBlackOps

        Re: would rather

        I follow the research in battery, nuclear and renewable energy technologies quite closely and it is not a lack of funds for research that is a problem. University and private labs are turning out new technology on a near daily basis, sometimes multiple research reports per day. It's trying to figure out which technologies have the best ROI in commercial use that's the problem. Tossing more money at it won't speed up progress, IMNSHO.

        What's really fascinating is that there are cross-over projects between these technologies and other fields, heat transfer in chips for instance, that are working their way through the process as well. Bless the researchers as they are charging forward each and every day.

      2. Filippo Silver badge

        Re: would rather

        Putting those two in opposition is an extreme logical fallacy and research on renewables is fairly well-funded, but nevermind that. Exactly why would you shift resources from space exploration towards renewable energy, instead of shifting them from e.g. the military, or subsidies on entertainment (or on fossil fuels), or any of a long, long list of public monies that don't help anything that could conceivably be called "progress", and in some cases are larger than space exploration expenditure by entire orders of magnitude?

    2. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      Re: would rather

      Orion ship

      The bijou problemette with the Orion concept is that it tends to fry most electronics in the same hemisphere when it takes off. Speaking as someone who needs his pacemaker to stay alive, I'm not really a fan of the idea.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A cheaper fix...

    Feed the astronauts nothing but really gassy foods, hook 'em to tubes to funnel the flatulence out through the thruster nozzles, and make sure everything is securely strapped down after the first all you can eat bean burrito night.

    *hand whoosh gesture*

    ZOOOOOM!

    1. Spherical Cow Silver badge

      Re: A cheaper fix...

      Certainly better than keeping all the farts inside the spaceship... I've heard the ISS is rather smelly.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: A cheaper fix...

        Apparently it is routine that the 'nauts gather round the access hatch of the cargo vessels when they are first opened to get a few breaths of the "fresh" air.

        (presumably they've done all the safety checks on it first, etc.)

  4. Terrence Bayrock
    Mushroom

    Project Orion anybody???

    A starship intended to be directly propelled by a series of explosions of atomic bombs behind the craft (nuclear pulse propulsion).

    1. NetBlackOps

      Re: Project Orion anybody???

      Yeah, not exactly the brightest of ideas, even though it would work, that's certain, and it would definitely reduce the number of nukes kept around, which is another positive. For real world applications, I'd suggest something along the lines of a high temperature reactor with something like asteroid or lunar soil as the reaction mass. This isn't a new idea, Bob Heinlein proposed it in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" for a lunar tug. That way you aren't having to deal with lifting mass from earth.

      Another side thought is using captured orbital debris but that probably involve negative returns aside from clearing orbital space.

      1. TDog

        Re: Project Orion anybody???

        Actually it would be pretty bright repeatedly.

    2. Christoph
      Mushroom

      Re: Project Orion anybody???

      You can't use Orion anywhere in the vicinity of an inhabited planet - and certainly not for taking off from it.

      And do you really want a small crew to have control of that many physics packages?

    3. Adelio

      Re: Project Orion anybody???

      Orion was conceived a long time ago, since then a lot more research into propulsion has given us some alteratives. Although for DEEP space travel it is probably something to consider (I am NOT a rocket expert) Solar power is not very useful unless you are reasonably close to the sun.

      1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge
        Joke

        "Solar power is not very useful unless you are reasonably close to the sun."

        Can we not just take the sun with us?

        1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
          Stop

          Take a sun, by all means, but I'd prefer it if you left ours just where it is, thank you very much.

          1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge
            Pirate

            Do you not think having another sun in the outer reaches of our solar system might be, uh, "problematic"? (Particularly if the people we borrowed it from got upset.)

        2. Christoph

          No, you use the sun to pump lasers or masers which send the power to the ship.

  5. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
    Alien

    Thats How You Get Ants!

    The last space project that called itself Nerva, had a Sterling Archer type infestation according to one documentary I saw on the BBC back in the 70's.

  6. spider from mars

    Even assuming they build one, who's going to use it?

    While I do think an NTR would be a great capability to have, there's no way UK.gov is going to pony up the money for a manned space programme. Who's going to buy it? I can't see NASA using a non-US system (especially given ITAR).

    1. NeilPost Silver badge

      Re: Even assuming they build one, who's going to use it?

      OneWeb ?? for their thousands of Space WiFi Hotspots ??

      The one UK Govt dropped $USD1/2bn - without scrutiny - on the bankrupt carcass of and is now a JV with Bharti.

      Will how’re not be a UKSS/HMS Brexit too as part of the founding of the Luna ‘Overseas Territory’? (Homage to The Expanse).

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Not just NERVA

    Nuclear salt water (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvZjhWE-3zM), which has the benefit of not ending up with a highly radioactive engine strapped to the rocket all the time (though care would have to be taken with the exhaust).

    There has also been some work done on crash testing nuclear engines as part of the SNAPTRAN experiments (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT7gAotuM-8).

  8. hammarbtyp

    fission reactors are probably very exciting in the short term

    Generally I prefer my long term propulsion needs to be met by things that are very boring in the long term

  9. Zebo-the-Fat

    Nuclear salt water engine

    This looks like it could be fun...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvZjhWE-3zM

  10. Abominator

    Going to need a copy of this:

    Principles of Nuclear Rocket Propulsion. Its actually a good read!

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Principles-Nuclear-Rocket-Propulsion-William/dp/0128044748/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Principles+of+Nuclear+Rocket+Propulsion&qid=1610562660&s=books&sr=1-1

  11. Mystic Megabyte
    Mushroom

    The Nuclear Salt Water Rocket - Possibly the Craziest Rocket Engine Ever Imagined.

    This is interesting, but might go bang! SFW

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvZjhWE-3zM

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