Leave.EU takes back control – and shifts its domain name to be inside the European Union Faced with a stark choice between the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the evil technocracy of the EU's Brussels dictatorship, plucky little campaign group Leave.EU was only ever going to make one choice. That's right. It domiciled itself in the European Union. Ireland (the Republic of), no less. The …
"As several readers have pointed out, there is a loophole in that the domains can be registered to British holders if they are also EU citizens, (independently of their "place of residence")."
So now a loophole is something that's explicitly listed as a feature? ElReg is really contorting itself to find issues with how .eu is handled :D
"*You are an individual: [...] a citizen of one of the European Union Member States."
https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/
"Why did the UK leave the EU?" "Here, there's a website that has several years of articles and commentary that represents many of the arguments used."
Whether you agree with the campaign or not it's historical evidence, so why not keep it? The domain name is itself part of that history, as well as a familiar reference.
Of course, the other option is to use that domain to promote leaving the EU within other countries. Maybe only English speaking ones though...
Malta and Ireland don't speak a Dutch English.
Amazing that England doesn't, in that Dutch William of Orange was invited in to take over from King James.
Also it was Elizabeth I of England that decided England + Wales = British. Scotland had a separate ruler then and Elizabeth only consolidated control over Ireland late in her reign.
"Why did the UK leave the EU?" "Here, there's a website that has several years of articles and commentary that represents many of the arguments used."
Whether you agree with the campaign or not it's historical evidence, so why not keep it? The domain name is itself part of that history, as well as a familiar reference.
So? All the history is in the wayback machine.
I really fail to see further need for the domain, unless they're worried someone else will repurpose the domain and make fun of them and/or rip apart the arguments.
More likely that somebody would have snapped it up and started posting stories such as Sainsbury in NI having to stock the shelves with Spar products instead of their own, numerous EU businesses refusing to ship to the UK & vice versa and M&S unable to export sweets produced in the EU (Germany) to the EU (Ireland) without having to pay duty.
Maybe they might contrast all Leave's claims about getting rid of EU red tape with the post-Brexit reality.
"I suspect they moved the registration details to Ireland just to avoid stop someone else snapping it up, and sticking a pron website on it, cause that's what I would have done if it had become available"
Ugh, they could name such a site nigel dot com (I might have misspelled the TLD), and that's an image I really don't need!
Upvoted.
Something nagging me, though, is that with the shenanigans I recently had to go through for the simple act of routine renewal of an SSL certificate for a client - even though neither of us had moved anywhere since I obtained it for him originally - how in God's name were they able to register it (and move the SSL) to someone who didn't know about it?
Dyson --- Moved to Singapore
Ratcliffe -- Moved to Monaco and moved Land Rover Defender production to France
Farage -- family have German passports
Martin -- can't name a single EU law he dislikes (link: https://www.joe.co.uk/politics/brexit-tim-martin-owen-jones-217024)
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.....and the beat goes on........all these Brexit boosters are hypocrites......why is anyone surprised about the internet URL?
@Tilda_Rice
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You really don't get it, do you? We ARE OUT OF THE EU! And the wealthy hypocrites who got us there.....they are all living and manufacturing.....ANYWHERE BUT THE UK.
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Get a grip.......they have gone.....and the rest of us have to suck it up!!!!!
Oh, the three resident idiots who can't use facts and data to support their argument because all facts and data point to it being a disaster.
"Most experts expect Brexit to reduce the future growth of the British economy — not by a little, but by a lot. Britain’s standing in the world — and its influence — will also diminish. Washington, for example, will look across the Atlantic and see Germany and France as more important 21st century partners because they represent the EU as a whole. And then there is the question whether there will even be a United Kingdom with four parts. In sum, Britain is likely to emerge from Brexit as poorer, smaller and weaker. It is no surprise that most polls now show a British public opposed (too late) to Brexit.
There is a lesson here for Americans. Brexit is the product of inept government and a populace animated by illusions, division and diminished self-confidence. None of this was necessary or inevitable; it is a self-inflicted wound." - Marvin Ott
Marvin Ott is a professor at Johns Hopkins University and senior scholar at the Woodrow Wilson Center of the Smithsonian Institution. He is a summer resident of Cranberry Isles.
Full article here: https://www.ellsworthamerican.com/opinions/brexit-blues/
When you say 'moved his investment/stockbroking business to Dublin' you do of course mean, 'The business that Rees-Mogg doesn't work for with its HQ at Manning House, 22 Carlisle Street, London created an investment fund registered in Dublin in addition to its existing Irish investment fund and its continued business in the UK' I'm sure.
No. I meant what I said.
Assuming you're telling the truth (and I don't) makes no difference. If Brexit is going to be the bowl of cherries Rees-Mogg claims it's going to be, why has his firm set up a fund in Ireland? Isn't he supposed to want to be free from all that EU regulation and red tape? Or is he just another lying hypocrite?
Whether he works for his firm or not is irrelevant. Has this toff ever done any work anyway? He remains a person of significant control (major shareholder, director, etc) even if that's had to be disguised behind trusts and shell company proxies because he's an MP.
Here's some info from his entry in the MP's register of interests:
1. Employment and earnings
Partner in Somerset Capital Management LLP, 146 Buckingham Palace Road, London SW1W 9TR; investment management.
As a client of Somerset Capital Management (SCM), I provide services to The Chestnut Fund, an investment fund. (Registered 27 November 2012)
7. (i) Shareholdings: over 15% of issued share capital
Saliston Ltd; holding company
Somerset Capital Management LLP; investment management
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/210104/rees-mogg_jacob.htm
According to Companies House, Rees-Mogg owns > 75% of Saliston Ltd. Which has significant control of Somerset Capital Management. Various other Rees-Moggs are directors, including his wife and at least one daughter.
You're trying to make out he's got nothing to do with this company. That's clearly not true. Though you might well be about 22 Carlisle Street - isn't that Private Eye's office?
Assuming you're telling the truth (and I don't)
Thanks for calling me a liar.
https://www.cityam.com/jacob-rees-mogg-quits-somerset-capital-role-after-cabinet-appointment/ and his member register of interests calling him a client of SCM does rather support that he doesn't work for them.
That he retains an ownership and has family members that are directors doesn't change that.
As for creating an Irish fund, they had one already and why wouldn't they create an EU based fund for EU based investors? What's wrong, don't you want British companies to offer services to people in the EU?
By the way, perhaps you can help me out here and point out where on this page I can find details of the Dublin HQ you seem to think exists:
https://somersetcm.com/contact-us/
You're trying to make out he's got nothing to do with this company.
Nonsense. What I'm trying to do is highlight the propaganda and lies being used to besmirch someone for something that didn't happen and that they didn't do.
I'm so sorry that this upsets you and the various people that voted down my comment. I guess the truth hurts.
I didn't call you a liar. But if the cap fits..... I said I didn't accept your assumption.
You're now trying to deflect the truth. It's irrelevant whether Rees-Mogg currently works for his investment company. He essentially owns and controls it, albeit at arms length while he ponces about the Palace of Westminster. He's a co-founder. Incidentally Rees-Mogg gives his occupation at Companies House as Investment Manager and a Director - not politician.
Your sophistry about an EU fund for EU investors is beyond silly. Rees-Mogg set this up at the same time as he was telling everyone that Brexit would be good for British business because it would be free from EU regulation and red tape. Can't you see the hypocrisy that's staring you in the face? If Brexit was going to be so wonderful, surely Johnny Foreigner would be banging on the doors of Somerset Capital Management to do business with them in the UK now the EU shackles have come off. Which would mean there would have been no need to set up a financial vehicle in Ireland.
You're also strangely silent about Rees-Mogg's company making extensive use of offshore tax havens. Don't you want British companies to pay British taxes?
According to the Irish TImes Somerset Capital Management's Irish collective asset management vehicle is MI Somerset Emerging Markets Feeder Fund:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/irish-investment-vehicle-linked-to-hardline-brexiteer-rees-mogg-warns-of-brexit-risks-1.3529280
Your lie: Rees-Mogg moved his investment firm to Ireland.
He didn't move it, because that's something the board would decide, not a shareholder.
His investment firm didn't move to Ireland anyway.
So you lied on both counts, then you did fucking call me a liar when I pointed out those lies, and now you're trying to accuse me of deflecting the truth because I pointed out your lies.
Perhaps you should avoid defaming members of Parliament if you don't want to be called out on it. Expect no more replies, your continued lies are tiresome.
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Never really understood .eu domain, bought ours just to cover ip at the time but with the advent of .anything gave up doing that.
Didn't bother renewing it last year and won't lose any sleep over it.
Can't remember ever being on an .eu site, I guess it might find use at sometime in the future
But as a domain generally its fairly pointless other than to say based in the eu and .de .fr etc does that. I guess its the equivalent of .us, enough said.
There's no irony involved.
.eu requires that you have a presence inside the EU. As we thankfully left the block, leave.eu needs to open a presence inside the EU.
It's not a big deal. I assume it's a lawyers office.
The only people who care are the people who are cheering at every tiny hint of a problem after brexit.
Neale Richmond has written to ComReg, the Irish communications regulator, calling for the body “to ensure that the company meets all necessary requirements to hold a .eu web domain.
“I am deeply concerned by this move and would like to receive assurances as to whether this move is a legitimate way to retain the web domain following the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union,”
When contacted by the Guardian, he said: “I see Leave.EU to be an odious organisation with a dubious reputation that spews bile, often directed specifically at Ireland. I am asking for scrutiny of their operations and qualifications.”
Section 3.2 of EURid's Terms and Conditions of use of a .eu domain name state:
"To use the Domain Name in such a way that does not violate any third-party rights, applicable laws, or regulations, including discrimination on the basis of race, language, sex, religion, or political view;"
Leave.eu is run by a bunch of racists and they broke laws regarding the running of their leave campaign.
Section 3.3 states:
"Not to use the Domain Name (i) in bad faith or (ii) for any unlawful purpose."
The site is full of lies and misrepresentations.
Section 4.3: "the Domain Name registration is made in good faith, for a lawful purpose, and does not infringe the rights of any third party;"
Section 4.4: "the Domain Name is not contrary to public policy or morality (e.g. is not obscene or offensive), and is not unlawful;"
Plenty of grounds for their domain name being revoked.
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