UK's 'minimum viable product' for Brexit transit software will not be ready until December, leaving no time for testing The United Kingdom is set to base its post-Brexit management of goods crossing the EU border on software that is still yet to be introduced, leaving little or no time for stakeholder testing. According to spending watchdog the National Audit Office (NAO), the Goods Vehicle Movement Service (GVMS), which is set to link …
It's Friday 6 November
There are 33 working days before Brexit [nothing happens over Christmas]
What paperwork is needed for export and import? OK it might be forms on screens but if the exporter creates the form does the driver need access to show anyone making a query; and what about customs. [chances are there won't be a standard format!]
And similarly, if you are importing, who creates the import form on a screen, how does the driver access it and if there are tariffs, how do these get generated and paid?
33 working days!
That's all I'm saying
It's not a question of knowing about (B)rexit, its about the ongoing search for perfection, the same reason why almost all other UK Government IT projects are still being perfected. The continuing search for perfection will one day produce world leading IT systems in UK government that will leave other countries boiling with jealousy.
Actually, I'm talking out of my arse!
Lets open a book as to when it will actually start working at least 50%.
My bet is April 2022. Yes, that long. We don't have a trade deal so who the hell knows what is going on a anyway. There really is the little matter of CV-19 to consider. This ain't over by a long chalk. An awful lot more people are going to get ill and die before it starts to get better.
"But it fell out of fashion to point out costs when the UK saved billions by not being in the EU and their bailout funds."
[Citation needed]
Also, how do the costs of being in the EU stack up against the benefits, and how do they stack up against the costs of leaving? How many lies were told to the British public about those numbers? Those things are all harder to quantify, I know, so don't bother.
It saves the UK government somewhere in the region of £12-17bn per year (depending on the figures you choose).
It will cost UK consumers and business somewhere in the region of £12-17bn per year (at least) in import tariffs and export paperwork.
The UK government will be happy with all that extra cash to splash on their friends. The UK consumer and business not so much.
Really, is that on the basis of what we pay, or on including the benefits we get back in cash, in kind and in simply 'belonging to the club'? Some things are 'unquantifiable' in terms of mere money.
Hey ho, all actions have consequences - including unintended ones. So, we live and learn, or some of us learn. Others just keep on making the same mistakes, over and over and over ...
@Throatwarbler Mangrove
"[Citation needed]"
You have heard of the Covid bailout for the Eurozone to be a mutual debt over the members? The vast sums in demand? Feel free to look up your own figures on that.
"Also, how do the costs of being in the EU stack up against the benefits"
Since the UK voted to leave the benefits are obviously not persuading enough. So stacked up the costs are huge.
"How many lies were told to the British public about those numbers?"
Tonnes. The remain and leave official campaigns lied their arses off. But remain actively threatened to use the power of the government to threaten the population (punishment budget) which is more serious than just lying.
"Those things are all harder to quantify, I know, so don't bother."
I agree. There are so many variations of various figures (thats why I suggest you look up the costs of bailout from whatever sources you are happy with) taking different things into account. But the EU definitely costs in money (net contributor), sovereignty, trade and borders.
codejunk> Covid bailout for the Eurozone
The UK was granted an exemption from any Eurozone bailouts, It's one of the minor concessions won by Hameron. Any bailout money the UK pays in future will be from the IMF which, and I'm willing to be corrected, the UK is still a member of. Which is deliciously ironic.
Will we still have to put up with Brexitists posting their lies after 31/12/20?
@Dr_N
"The UK was granted an exemption from any Eurozone bailouts"
The UK was granted an exemption from bailing out Greece with our contributions. Which was promptly ignored by the EU.
"It's one of the minor concessions won by Hameron"
However is this a Eurozone bailout or EU bailout? The latter we would be dragged into and if I understand it right are bailing out members who have their own currency so we would likely be bailing out the EU and Eurozone whatever the 'agreements'.
"Any bailout money the UK pays in future will be from the IMF which, and I'm willing to be corrected, the UK is still a member of. Which is deliciously ironic."
Why? Thats how it should be done. We leave and dont bail them out under EU insanity but instead as a sovereign country through our international support arrangements of the IMF.
Your comment instantly reminded me of Star Trek S1 E23.
"The USS Enterprise travels to Eminiar VII, bringing Ambassador Robert Fox to establish diplomatic relations. Little is known about Eminiar VII, beyond the fact that they have been at war with a neighboring planet, Vendikar [for over 500 years]"...."The two planets have a treaty, according to which they have to kill the "victims" of every simulated attack"
Synopsis here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon
Review here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyV020wg5Sg
The need for Farage Garages was clearl to anyone during the Brexit campaign. So all those Kent Leave voters will be overjoyed that the construction is under way. As will be the Leave residents living around the other 19 sites:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8921133/Heavy-duty-diggers-continue-transform-27-acre-field-Kent-2-000-space-Brexit-lorry-park.html
It's win-win for some: Out of the EU AND living next to a 30 acre truck stop. They must be over the moon.
I suppose part of the problem might be that the talented software developers are scrupulous software developers, and people with scruples (and brains, a prerequisite for a good software developer) don’t want to work for this government - and particularly not on Brexit.
Nope. The clever software developers (actually, all the brainy people I know - scientists, engineers, medics, designers) are all working out their escape routes to free themselves of this benighted land.
Je vais aller au France. A bientot.
> you'll need a new keyboard
Not really. I use my UK keyboard to type French. For short texts, I keep UK layout and use AltGr for diacritics (I am on Linux, so in addition to AltGr I also have a Compose key though you don't need it for French). For longer texts, I switch to Catalan layout, which can be used to write proper French (and Occitan, which I also speak) whereas a traditional AZERTY keyboard cannot (the new AZERTY is OK, though I still don't like them plus I was trained to touch type on QWERTY).
PS: When I say I use AltGr I mean AltGr+;, e for é, AltGr+', e for ê, AltGr+#, e for è and so on. I don't mean the insane AltGr + bunch of random numbers that people on Windows are (or used to be?) stuck with.
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